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U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)

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Bird_Gunner45 said:
It's probably a fact based decision based on rational and reasoned analysis, of which Trump is known for. Unfortunately, Trump is unlikely to fire the real problem in the white house.....
 
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Loachman said:
There is no indication that President Trump has any white supremacist or racist inclinations whatsoever, or evidence of him "fueling hate", "dividing our country", or "giving a voice to white supremacists".

"Is Trump the Racist Monster Most Blacks Believe Him to Be?": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAM7JKajBlw

"Why I'm a Black Woman Voting for Donald J Trump": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgFHuMaqVpU

"Mar-a-Lago": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago - "Trump instead turned the estate into a private club that - unlike other Palm Beach old money resorts like the Bath and Tennis Club and Everglades Club - accepted as members Jews, blacks..."

"22 Things You Should Know About Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump's 'Winter White House'": http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8679174/mar-a-lago-donald-trump-mansion-palm-beach-facts/ - "Trump’s lawyers then sent every member of the town council copies of A Gentleman’s Agreement, a movie about a journalist who pretends to be Jewish to expose anti-Semitism, and Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner, another movie about a white couple’s reaction to their daughter bringing home a black fiancé. The movies were to push Trump’s claims that local officials accepted private clubs that excluded Jews and blacks, but imposed tough restrictions on his “inclusive one.” Trump later used this to bolster his claims on Good Morning America that “there’s nobody that’s done so much for equality” as he has."

"Donald Trump Claims No One Has 'Done So Much for Equality as I Have'": http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-claims-equality/story?id=37305333 - "Donald Trump today addressed the controversial support from former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, saying he 'disavowed' Duke and that he has done 'so much for equality.'

'There's nobody that's done so much for equality as I have, 'Trump said on 'Good Morning America.'

He added: 'You take a look at Palm Beach, Florida. I built the Mar-a-Lago Club totally open to everybody. A club that frankly set a new standard in clubs and a new standard in Palm Beach and I've gotten great credit for it.'"

"Trump Disavows Racists Over and Over Again - While Media Says Exactly the Opposite": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoXThCb8EZA - He cannot control, however, what racists/white supremacists say about him. He is not "giving a voice" to them, though. That would be Democrat-supporting CNN, MSNBC etcetera.
 
Since the last few posts were so well thought out and replete with evidence of opinions I will lower the bar a bit - Robert Reich - you don't get much lower than that. He is at it again this time with a piece titled "Robert Reich: Enough Of This Madness. Trump Must Go Now". Now when he says stuff like this every week or so you just have to wonder when people will view him as just hot air and stop publishing his drivel.

http://www.newsweek.com/robert-reich-enough-madness-trump-must-go-now-652454

In an interview from November he was talking about the election saying there was no need to worry, Clinton would win. In that interview he said the following. Seems to me he has been doing what is in his opion traitorous on a regular basis. Seems he should take his own advice.

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/08/robert-reich-dont-worry-hillary-clinton-will-win-the-election/

RR: The odds are still very heavily in favor of Hillary Clinton becoming president. My real concern at this point is Donald Trump’s supporters continue to fulminate. Some of them will feel that the election is illegitimate. Trump will continue to fan those flames and that will make it even harder for not just Hillary Clinton to govern, but the entire process of government to move forward.

The most irresponsible possible action that anybody in public life can take is to undermine public confidence in our system of government. If I were not being prudent with my words, I’d say anybody who has the public’s ear, who is undermining our democratic system, is acting in a traitorous fashion. I will mind my words, so I will not use the word traitorous.

I think all of our expectations should be held in check. I think that Paul Ryan is going to be the last Republican standing, and he is going to be under a lot of pressure from House Republicans to do crazy things like impeach Hilary Clinton. The wiggle room that both of them have is going to be very narrow, domestically.
 
In today's news,

Secret Service
https://www.google.ca/search?q=trump+%22secret+service%22&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A8%2F21%2F2017%2Ccd_max%3A8%2F21%2F2017&tbm=

 
mariomike said:
In today's news,

Secret Service
https://www.google.ca/search?q=trump+%22secret+service%22&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A8%2F21%2F2017%2Ccd_max%3A8%2F21%2F2017&tbm=

#Trump Secret Service
https://twitter.com/search?q=trump+%22secret+service%22&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch

With celebrities like Johnny Depp and politicians like Maria Chappelle-Nadal suggesting Trump be assassinated you would think they would have blown the budget sooner.
 
kkwd said:
With celebrities like Johnny Depp and politicians like Maria Chappelle-Nadal suggesting Trump be assassinated you would think they would have blown the budget sooner.

Also the fact that "42 people have protection, a number that includes 18 members of his family. That's up from 31 during the Obama administration."
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/21/exclusive-secret-service-out-of-money-to-pay-agents-because-of-trumps-frequent-travel-large-family.html

Officials had hoped that the agency's workload would normalize after the inauguration, but the president's frequent weekend trips, his family's business travel and the higher number of protectees has made that impossible.

Since his inauguration, Trump has taken seven trips to his estate in Mar-a-Lago, Fla., traveled to his Bedminster, N.J., golf club five times and returned to Trump Tower in Manhattan once.

Trump's frequent visits to his "winter White House" and "summer White House" are especially challenging for the agency, which must maintain a regular security infrastructure at each – while still allowing access to paying members and guests.

Always costly in manpower and equipment, the president's jaunts to Mar-a-Lago are estimated to cost at least $3 million each, based on a General Accounting Office estimate for similar travel by former President Obama. The Secret Service has spent some $60,000 on golf cart rentals alone this year  to protect Trump at both Mar-a-Lago and Bedminster.

The president, First Lady Melania Trump and the couple's youngest son Barron – who maintained a separate detail in Trump Tower until June – aren't the only ones on the move with full-time security details in tow.

Trump's other sons, Trump Organization executives Donald Jr. and Eric, based in New York, also are covered by security details including when they travel frequently to promote Trump-branded properties in other countries.

A few examples: Earlier this year, Eric Trump's business travel to Uruguay cost the Secret Service nearly $100,000 just for hotel rooms.  Other trips included the United Kingdom and the Dominican Republic. In February, both sons and their security details traveled to Vancouver for the opening of new Trump hotel there, and to Dubai to  officially open a Trump International Golf Club.

In March, security details accompanied part of the family, including Ivanka Trump and husband Jared Kushner on a skiing vacation in Aspen, Colo. Even Tiffany Trump, the president's youngest daughter, took vacation to international locales such as Germany and Hungary with her boyfriend,  which also require Secret Service protection.



 
kkwd said:
With celebrities like Johnny Depp and politicians like Maria Chappelle-Nadal suggesting Trump be assassinated you would think they would have blown the budget sooner.

You'd think with Johnny Depp punching out his wife he'd try and shy away from violence eh?
 
kkwd said:
I'm not making any judgements on this yet. It is interesting that this may be a genuine "Russia Collusion" case.

http://nypost.com/2017/08/19/it-staffers-may-have-compromised-sensitive-data-to-foreign-intelligence/

Ah, yes, Imran Awan and his fine family. This has actually been building for a few weeks, but largely ignored by MSM. HA Goodman, a "progressive" journalist who supported Jill Stein and then Bernie Sanders and despises the Clintons has been tracking this tale quite closely. You can see his videos at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDB5XReUyyqt-FTNdkzFN-A/videos. Other articles and videos can be found online, but his channel is sort of one-stop-shopping. I've only been following loosely, but waiting to see where it goes. Bill Still has also posted a few videos at https://www.youtube.com/user/bstill3/videos.
 
Sounds like someone at the NRA needs a hug or something.

NRA videos warn elites 'we're coming for you'

Published August 26, 2017 Fox News

The National Rifle Association has drawn fire in recent months for a series of videos criticizing prominent liberal forces and the mainstream media, with some warning that the group is resorting to language that could incite violence.

Using the hashtags #counterresistance and #clenchedfistoftruth, the NRA has put out a series of videos that announce a "shot across the bow," and say the gun-rights group is "coming for you" and that "elites ... threaten our very survival," terms that suggest opponents are enemy combatants.

The videos describe the left and the media as out of control and feeding a false narrative that Tea Party conservatives are racists and Trump supporters are "toothless hillbillies."

"The times are burning and the media elites have been caught holding the match," NRA spokeswoman and radio host Dana Loesch says in one video aired on NRATV, the gun lobby's web video site, as it shows footage of people fighting police, breaking storefront glass and burning the American flag.

Later, she specifically calls out The New York Times: "We've had it with your narratives, your propaganda, your fake news. We've had it with your constant protection of your Democrat overlords, your refusal to acknowledge any truth that upsets the fragile construct that you believe is real life. And we've had it with your tone-deaf assertion that you are in any way truth or fact-based journalism," Loesch says. "Consider this the shot across your proverbial bow. ... In short? We're coming for you."

Kathleen Hall Jamieson, the director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, told the Associated Press the tone and language is "overwrought rhetoric" that, viewed by the wrong person, could lead to violence. The kicker on one of the videos — "We're coming for you" — is straight out of the movies, she said, and "that phrase means that violence is imminent and we will perpetrate it."

The friction between the gun lobby and the media isn't new. But critics of the NRA contend the organization is relying on the "fake news" mantra started by Trump to whip up its followers after a dip in gun sales that has taken place since Trump succeeded President Barack Obama, who favored stricter gun-control laws.

"They're not inventing this hyperangry, nasty partisan tone but piggybacking on Trump's approach. Of course, NRA voters by and large are Trump voters, so they would be sympathetic to that kind of message," said Robert Spitzer, chairman of the political science department at State University of New York at Cortland, who has examined the firearms industry and Second Amendment issues extensively.

Spitzer, a member of the NRA as well as the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said it's a pattern the NRA has exhibited as the group evolved from an almost exclusive focus on gun safety into a political beacon for conservatives who fear changes to the Second Amendment and the gun industry.

"It was Bill Clinton in the 1990s. In the early 2000s, it was John McCain. It was Hillary Clinton. It was the United Nations. They've held up the U.N. as ready to swoop in and take everybody's guns," Spitzer said. "The focus of their ire has changed, but the basic message has been the same."

Earlier this month, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said: "There is no longer any difference between our politicians and the elite media who report on them. ... These elites threaten our very survival, and to them we say: We don't trust you, we don't fear you, and we don't need you. Take your hands off our future."

Erich Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said it's been a longtime frustration with journalists who, he contends, "ignore the violence and harsh rhetoric on the left while magnifying and twisting the words of those on the right."

The NRA videos prompted Mike Nelson, a Democratic congressional candidate in Arkansas and self-described hunter and gun-rights supporter, to label them as "hate speech." Nelson, whose website lists the NRA among more than two dozen organization he's supported, said he can no longer back the NRA.

In a Facebook post, Nelson wrote: "If the NRA does not stop their hate campaign, I will call them out on sedition. Sedition is the willful undermining of the legal authority, the Incitement of Violence."

Some gun owners have cheered the videos and said they give voice to conservatives weary of media attacks on Trump; others say the videos stray from the NRA's original mission and that the NRA is inviting violence.

Joe Plenzler, a Marine veteran who served overseas and sometimes had reporters accompanying his unit, joined two other veterans in writing an opinion piece for The Daily Beast criticizing the videos.

"The NRA props up the Second Amendment by undermining and vilifying the protections afforded in the First, and paints everyone who may disagree with the current administration, our country's justice system, or the NRA's partisan political position with a very dark and unjust broad brush," Plenzler wrote with Marine veterans Craig Tucker and Kyleanne Hunter.

Plenzler, who has since dropped his NRA membership, said he was disturbed by the videos.

"Lately, it seems like they've gone well out of the bounds of any sort of sane responsible behavior. If you want to advocate for the Second Amendment, which I unapologetically believe in, that's fine," he said. "But I think at the point where you are going to demonize half the American population in a recruitment effort to get more members, I've got a big problem with that."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/26/nra-videos-warn-elites-were-coming-for.html

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looks like a whole bunch of people need a hug. They toss the word racist around pretty freely. I would bet the word will lose all meaning soon when everybody is called it for some reason or other. Of course this piece is done modern style, no actual investigation and reporting, just twitter blather.

In a tweet from Debra Messing:
A Disgusting Racist Disgrace.

Celebs rip 'racist' and 'cowardly' Trump for pardoning former Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/celebs-rip-apos-racist-apos-012611856.html
 
Just like celebs ripped 'racist' and 'cowardly' Obama for pardoning Puerto Rican terrorist Oscar Lopez Rivera...

http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/19/president-obamas-pardon-oscar-lopez-rivera-trades-terrorist-votes/

President Obama's Pardon of Oscar Lopez Rivera Trades a Terrorist for Votes

By Mike Gonzalez
January 19, 2017

In 1999, a year before Hillary Clinton was elected to the Senate from New York and a decade and a half before emails helped destroy her presidential ambitions, an adviser to her husband’s administration sent an email about proposed pardons of imprisoned Puerto Rican terrorists.
The pardons would be “fairly easy to accomplish and will have a positive impact among strategic communities in the U.S. (read, voters),” wrote Mayra Martinez-Fernandez, an adviser to the White House Working Group for Puerto Rico, according Debra Burlingame in The Wall Street Journal. Get that? Voters. Clinton, to be sure, issued the pardons.

Communists celebrated the pardons then, just as they did yesterday from Canada to Colombia to Cuba when President Obama commuted yet another convicted Puerto Rican terrorist’s sentence. But Martinez-Fernandez’s email still holds the clue. The president’s action carries the same unavoidable whiff of playing identity politics with a key voting bloc of the Democratic Party. In fact, you have to go back to Lyndon Johnson to find the last Democratic president who, in his waning days in office, didn’t spring from prison a Puerto Rican convicted of terrorist acts.
The beneficiary of Obama’s commutation this time is Oscar Lopez Rivera. He’s no angel, but he’s being lionized as one - and not just by too many Puerto Ricans, but also by celebrities.

Terrorists Are So Awesome, You Guys

Typical is Lin-Manuel Miranda of “Hamilton” fame, who tweeted from London Tuesday that he was “sobbing with gratitude” after hearing the news. He promised he would reprise his signature role in a performance of the musical to be attended in Chicago by Lopez.
Also characteristic of Lopez hagiography is this article in the Daily Beast, which called Lopez “a political prisoner” and referred to his “anti-colonialist mission.” For the record, Puerto Rico has held no fewer than four referendums on its status. In the last one in 2012, more than 61 percent voted to ask to become a state, and less than 5.5 percent voted for independence.

Obama’s one-time friend Bill Ayers, himself a terrorist in the 1970s, tweeted out a celebratory “Oscar Lopez freed!” In the same tweet he asked for a posthumous pardon for executed Soviet spy Ethel Rosenberg.

Miranda, at least, ought to know better. His support for Lopez sadly puts into stark relief the “Hamilton” cast’s dress-down of Vice President-elect Mike Pence and his daughters and niece when they attended “Hamilton” in December. Actor Brandon Victor-Dixon pompously lectured to Pence: “We, sir - we - are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights.”

Real alarm and anxiety is what Lopez’s group, the Armed Forces of National Liberation, or FALN, sowed through its nine-year campaign of terror through the United States. In one bomb attack in the busy Fraunces Tavern, in New York’s financial district in January 1975, it killed four people and injured 60, many maimed.

Votes Matter More than Justice

What was the FALN’s reason for creating all that suffering? It wanted to establish in Puerto Rico a Marxist republic, against, as we have seen through the referendums, the stated desire of the overwhelming majority of Puerto Ricans. Lopez, a community organizer in Chicago decades before our 44th president plied that trade in the same city, joined the FALN in 1974. He was a fugitive for five years before his arrest in 1981. Police discovered six pounds of dynamite in his Chicago apartment.

The editor of The Federalist, Ben Domenech, himself the scion of a well-known Puerto Rican political family, wrote Tuesday in The Transom that Lopez “recruited and trained a small army of terrorists to murder his fellow Americans. He built bomb factories. He taught the young and impressionable how to make devices that would kill and maim … When he was put on trial, he admitted to doing all he had been accused of – he showed no remorse.”

So why would Obama, with one foot out the door, pause to free this guy? We begin to get an inkling in Miranda’s gushing tweet, “Thank you, @POTUS.” Obama is but the third Democratic president to pardon Puerto Rican terrorists with the clock ticking.

In 1979, Jimmy Carter released from prison three Puerto Rican terrorists who shot at members of Congress from the House gallery in 1954, wounding five. In 1999 Bill Clinton pardoned 12 members of the FALN. In the words of The New York Times, they were serving long sentences for “sedition, possession of unregistered firearms, interstate transportation of a stolen vehicle, interference with interstate commerce by violence and interstate transportation of firearms with intent to commit a crime.”

Lopez was actually offered a pardon, too, but he refused it after President Clinton “demanded as one of the conditions of their release that the jailed Puerto Ricans renounce the use of terrorism to achieve their aim of independence for the Caribbean commonwealth.”

The news is that Lopez will go back to community organizing. But after almost four decades of playing politics with national security, this is one Democratic Party tradition America can do without.

Mike Gonzalez, a senior fellow at The Heritage Foundation, spent close to 20 years as a journalist, 15 of them reporting from Europe, Asia, and Latin America. He is the author of the new book, “A Race for the Future: How Conservatives Can Break the Liberal Monopoly on Hispanic Americans.”
 
Some very telling tweets from "Charitable Humans" about the hurricane in the US.


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Jarnhamar said:
Some very telling tweets from "Charitable Humans" about the hurricane in the US.


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You could have followed this a bit more and gone to the Charitable Humans website where they have completely disavowed the actions of their Facebook and Twitter coordinator. Both their Facebook and Twitter feed are off line now.

https://www.charitablehumans.ngo/were-horrified-by-our-twitter-actions/

We’re Horrified By Our Twitter Actions

There are no words to express the distaste and hateful words that our Social Media Coordinator unleashed on what was supposed to represent Charitable Humans, an organization that has engaged in global humanitarianism activities in war-torn and severely impoverished nations since 2005. The purpose of our charity was, and so remains, to make the world a better place by focusing on a larger mandate of cultivating a global citizenship initiative along with an online platform for active engagement, and a platform to help people and nonprofit organizations like ours further the reach and impact of good deeds.

We don’t condone the denouncement or imperilment of any human, individual or group, no matter what atrocities they might guilty of; ultimately because that serves no useful purpose and is rather an impairment to progressive change. Our views extend equally toward those that do good and evil in the world, for both have much to teach us about the state of humanity. We’re not for a moment implying that the targets in which the Tweets offensive content are either good, bad, or otherwise because we don’t believe those words are more than labels based upon an individuals perception of an other.

We take full responsibility for this outrageous lack of leadership, for which there is no excuse, though there is an explanation we’d like to put forward in the interest of transparency. We are not a large organization, and we’ve invested much time and sacrifice trying to undertake an endeavor that is much greater than we have the resources or team members to focus on at the capacity needed.

While continuing in our humanitarian programs, we’re also working to develop further the massive program that we envision shortly coming to fruition. Our website has much work that needs doing, and we’re not at the stage where any postings or social media activity, beyond future announcements, are warranted. Since that hasn’t been our focus, we haven’t paid any consideration whatsoever to our social media channels, else greater concern and action would have halted this level of conduct much earlier. We failed in this oversight and sincerely apologize.

We have closed down the social media accounts, though there will be other content distribution channels that we’re exploring could exist, and as that is underway, we will take similar action as we become more aware of the situation.

Half the team is out of the country at this time, so please bear with us as we fumble through this unexpected terrain in a field we have little experience in, which is more visible to the world and ourselves at this time for reasons that are clear to all. We hope that people reserve judgment of our organization as a whole until our project can stand on its own merits once it’s up and running.

We have learned many lessons from the nightmare of an experience and again apologize deeply to all those undergoing an already treacherous crisis that seems to be getting much worse with each news update. Hopefully, the response teams, professional service providers, and infrastructure that will be critical to the relief efforts will deploy with utter urgency and sufficient levels to get people the support they need.

The Charitable Humans Team
 
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You could have followed this a bit more and gone to the Charitable Humans website where they have completely disavowed the actions of their Facebook and Twitter coordinator. Both their Facebook and Twitter feed are off line now.


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Of course they did, it would be even more suicidal not to post some half-assed apology. That's pretty much the standard isn't it? Say something insane over social media, get called out on it, mumble an apology and then wait for the storm to blow over. (did you read their whole apology, pretty lame even as far as lame apologies go)

Apologies mean nothing in this day and age, they're a dime a dozen.
What's important here, in my little opinion, is that a tax-exempt charitable company is calling for the incineration of US states that don't give with their political views. Sorry but that's really fucked up. Because some states are red they can piss off and die. It's a reflection of the US left-wing political views.  I see them deleting their SM as more of a ass-covering and try to avoid fall out than some sense of wrong-doing.

These tweets are indicative of the US political left.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Of course they did, it would be even more suicidal not to post some half-assed apology. That's pretty much the standard isn't it? Say something insane over social media, get called out on it, mumble an apology and then wait for the storm to blow over. (did you read their whole apology, pretty lame even as far as lame apologies go)

Apologies mean nothing in this day and age, they're a dime a dozen.
What's important here, in my little opinion, is that a tax-exempt charitable company is calling for the incineration of US states that don't give with their political views. Sorry but that's really ****ed up. Because some states are red they can piss off and die. It's a reflection of the US left-wing political views.  I see them deleting their SM as more of a ***-covering and try to avoid fall out than some sense of wrong-doing.

These tweets are indicative of the US political left.

That's a fairly cynical view of life.

My view is that the world is made up of a lot of good people and a given number of a**holes. In this case it appears to me that one a**hole made a really stupid tweet in the name of the organization for which he volunteers or works. Their action to take down the site and post and make an apology and get rid of the a**hole came quickly.

Unless you have proof that this organization (and not just the odd individual in it) has a history of this type of activity, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. (And I have to admit that I'm not generally a big fan of most charities where 85% of donations go to fundraising or administrative overhead--and I have absolutely no idea where on the scale this one stands)

The one thing I do agree with is that the posts themselves were completely unacceptable and the individual who put them up is a d***head..

:cheers:
 
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