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Trump administration 2024-2028

Czech_pivo said:
I hope they both fry
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Unless the House and Senate buck the administration and start impeaching appointees, there will be no consequences. The only sin in this administration is making Trump himself look bad, in excess of the extent to which he finds use in one’s willingness to say or do anything for him. As long as his appointees are more useful than liability, they’ll get away with pretty much anything.
 
brihard said:
Unless the House and Senate buck the administration and start impeaching appointees, there will be no consequences. The only sin in this administration is making Trump himself look bad, in excess of the extent to which he finds use in one’s willingness to say or do anything for him. As long as his appointees are more useful than liability, they’ll get away with pretty much anything.
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They're being sued now. At least it's something.

americanoversight.org

American Oversight v. Hegseth, Gabbard, Ratcliffe, Bessent, Rubio, and NARA Regarding Military Actions Planned on Signal Messaging App - American Oversight

Lawsuit filed against Hegseth, Gabbard, Ratcliffe, Bessent, Rubio, and NARA concerning news reports that a journalist had been added to a Signal group chat containing potentially classified information about active military operations.
americanoversight.org americanoversight.org
 
brihard said:
Unless the House and Senate buck the administration and start impeaching appointees, there will be no consequences. The only sin in this administration is making Trump himself look bad, in excess of the extent to which he finds use in one’s willingness to say or do anything for him. As long as his appointees are more useful than liability, they’ll get away with pretty much anything.
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I think however this has revealed to the rest of the world how compromised this administration is and how unreliable they are.

Hopefully steps will be taken by security partners to protect themselves from this. And Navarro said we should be kicked out the 5 eyes…
 
brihard said:
Unless the House and Senate buck the administration and start impeaching appointees, there will be no consequences. The only sin in this administration is making Trump himself look bad, in excess of the extent to which he finds use in one’s willingness to say or do anything for him. As long as his appointees are more useful than liability, they’ll get away with pretty much anything.
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And now The Atlantic has done what I thought they would have listening to the Clowns at the Circus testify that nothing was 'classified'.

Does anyone have the ability to include the entire article??

www.theatlantic.com

Here Are the Attack Plans That Trump’s Advisers Shared on Signal

The administration has downplayed the importance of the text messages inadvertently sent to The Atlantic’s editor in chief.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
 
So, the administration is trying to whitewash this, claim it wasn’t classified, it was fine to use Signal this way etc.

Ok, so get an appropriate congressional committee to subpoena the reported and read out the full conversation on the record. See if the administration is willing to let that happen, or if they claim some privilege.
 
brihard said:
So, the administration is trying to whitewash this, claim it wasn’t classified, it was fine to use Signal this way etc.

Ok, so get an appropriate congressional committee to subpoena the reported and read out the full conversation on the record. See if the administration is willing to let that happen, or if they claim some privilege.
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The Atlantic already beat them to it - they published the chat was seen by the Journalist. Its behind a paywall in the link above that I posted, hoping that someone can list it all here.
 
Czech_pivo said:
The Atlantic already beat them to it - they published the chat was seen by the Journalist. Its behind a paywall in the link above that I posted, hoping that someone can list it all here.
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We were posting at the same time, lol. Good catch, I banks for that. Here’s the link without the paywall: https://archive.is/6IWhL

Yeah, this is specific enough that it definitely could have gotten some of the F-18 pilots and WSOs flying off USS Harry Truman killed, and also could have utterly compromised the mission and had potential targets change plans and locations. It also compromises real time intelligence gathering capabilities by identifying some really granular knowledge.

If they were this careless in this signal chat, God knows how much else they’re freely sharing on this insecure platform on other subjects. At a minimum, there should be a criminal investigation into Hesgeth for negligent disclosure of classified information under 18 USC 793(f).

NSA sent out warnings against using Signal for anything sensitive literally a month ago.

www.cbsnews.com

NSA warned of vulnerabilities in Signal app a month before Houthi strike chat

The National Security Agency sent a bulletin in February warning of Russian hackers trying to access encrypted conversations on Signal.
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Hesgeth is incompetent and a threat to US national security.
 
brihard said:
Unless the House and Senate buck the administration and start impeaching appointees, there will be no consequences. The only sin in this administration is making Trump himself look bad, in excess of the extent to which he finds use in one’s willingness to say or do anything for him. As long as his appointees are more useful than liability, they’ll get away with pretty much anything.
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I doubt Republicans will do anything, even though they should in order to send the administration the signal to clean up its act. This will be another nail that will lead to the dems taking both houses at the mid terms.
 
Goldberg wasn't the only one that probably shouldn't have been in there. Makes you wonder how many times these accidents have happened, we're just lucky this time it happened to be a reporter to blow the whistle.


And Steve Witkoff was in Russia when receiving these messages on his end.

www.cbsnews.com

As top Trump aides sent texts on Signal, flight data show a member of the group chat was in Russia

As top Trump Cabinet members sent texts in a Signal group chat, CBS News analysis shows one of them, Steve Witkoff, was in Russia.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
Czech_pivo said:
And now The Atlantic has done what I thought they would have listening to the Clowns at the Circus testify that nothing was 'classified'.

Does anyone have the ability to include the entire article??

www.theatlantic.com

Here Are the Attack Plans That Trump’s Advisers Shared on Signal

The administration has downplayed the importance of the text messages inadvertently sent to The Atlantic’s editor in chief.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
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So, about that Signal chat.

On Monday, shortly after we published a story about a massive Trump-administration security breach, a reporter asked the secretary of defense, Pete Hegseth, why he had shared plans about a forthcoming attack on Yemen on the Signal messaging app. He answered, “Nobody was texting war plans. And that’s all I have to say about that.”

At a Senate hearing yesterday, the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, and the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, John Ratcliffe, were both asked about the Signal chat, to which Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor in chief of The Atlantic, was inadvertently invited by National Security Adviser Michael Waltz. “There was no classified material that was shared in that Signal group,” Gabbard told members of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Ratcliffe said much the same: “My communications, to be clear, in the Signal message group were entirely permissible and lawful and did not include classified information.”

President Donald Trump, asked yesterday afternoon about the same matter, said, “It wasn’t classified information.”

These statements presented us with a dilemma. In The Atlantic’s initial story about the Signal chat—the “Houthi PC small group,” as it was named by Waltz—we withheld specific information related to weapons and to the timing of attacks that we found in certain texts. As a general rule, we do not publish information about military operations if that information could possibly jeopardize the lives of U.S. personnel. That is why we chose to characterize the nature of the information being shared, not specific details about the attacks.

The statements by Hegseth, Gabbard, Ratcliffe, and Trump—combined with the assertions made by numerous administration officials that we are lying about the content of the Signal texts—have led us to believe that people should see the texts in order to reach their own conclusions. There is a clear public interest in disclosing the sort of information that Trump advisers included in nonsecure communications channels, especially because senior administration figures are attempting to downplay the significance of the messages that were shared.

Experts have repeatedly told us that use of a Signal chat for such sensitive discussions poses a threat to national security. As a case in point, Goldberg received information on the attacks two hours before the scheduled start of the bombing of Houthi positions. If this information—particularly the exact times American aircraft were taking off for Yemen—had fallen into the wrong hands in that crucial two-hour period, American pilots and other American personnel could have been exposed to even greater danger than they ordinarily would face. The Trump administration is arguing that the military information contained in these texts was not classified—as it typically would be—although the president has not explained how he reached this conclusion.

Yesterday, we asked officials across the Trump administration if they objected to us publishing the full texts. In emails to the Central Intelligence Agency, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the National Security Council, the Department of Defense, and the White House, we wrote, in part: “In light of statements today from multiple administration officials, including before the Senate Intelligence Committee, that the information in the Signal chain about the Houthi strike is not classified, and that it does not contain ‘war plans,’ The Atlantic is considering publishing the entirety of the Signal chain.”

We sent our first request for comment and feedback to national-security officials shortly after noon, and followed up in the evening after most failed to answer.

Late yesterday, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt emailed a response: “As we have repeatedly stated, there was no classified information transmitted in the group chat. However, as the CIA Director and National Security Advisor have both expressed today, that does not mean we encourage the release of the conversation. This was intended to be a an [sic] internal and private deliberation amongst high-level senior staff and sensitive information was discussed. So for those reason [sic] — yes, we object to the release.” (The Leavitt statement did not address which elements of the texts the White House considered sensitive, or how, more than a week after the initial air strikes, their publication could have bearing on national security.)

A CIA spokesperson asked us to withhold the name of John Ratcliffe’s chief of staff, which Ratcliffe had shared in the Signal chain, because CIA intelligence officers are traditionally not publicly identified. Ratcliffe had testified earlier yesterday that the officer is not undercover and said it was “completely appropriate” to share their name in the Signal conversation. We will continue to withhold the name of the officer. Otherwise, the messages are unredacted.

As we wrote on Monday, much of the conversation in the “Houthi PC small group” concerned the timing and rationale of attacks on the Houthis, and contained remarks by Trump-administration officials about the alleged shortcomings of America’s European allies. But on the day of the attack—Saturday, March 15—the discussion veered toward the operational.

At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”

The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:

  • “1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
  • “1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”
Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi “Target Terrorist,” was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.

The Hegseth text then continued:

  • “1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”
  • “1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”
  • “1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”
  • “MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”
  • “We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security.
  • “Godspeed to our Warriors.”
Shortly after, Vice President J. D. Vance texted the group, “I will say a prayer for victory.”

At 1:48 p.m., Waltz sent the following text, containing real-time intelligence about conditions at an attack site, apparently in Sanaa: “VP. Building collapsed. Had multiple positive ID. Pete, Kurilla, the IC, amazing job.” Waltz was referring here to Hegseth; General Michael E. Kurilla, the commander of Central Command; and the intelligence community, or IC. The reference to “multiple positive ID” suggests that U.S. intelligence had ascertained the identities of the Houthi target, or targets, using either human or technical assets.

Six minutes later, the vice president, apparently confused by Waltz’s message, wrote, “What?”

At 2 p.m., Waltz responded: “Typing too fast. The first target – their top missile guy – we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend’s building and it’s now collapsed.”

Vance responded a minute later: “Excellent.” Thirty-five minutes after that, Ratcliffe, the CIA director, wrote, “A good start,” which Waltz followed with a text containing a fist emoji, an American-flag emoji, and a fire emoji. The Houthi-run Yemeni health ministry reported that at least 53 people were killed in the strikes, a number that has not been independently verified.

Later that afternoon, Hegseth posted: “CENTCOM was/is on point.” Notably, he then told the group that attacks would be continuing. “Great job all. More strikes ongoing for hours tonight, and will provide full initial report tomorrow. But on time, on target, and good readouts so far.”

It is still unclear why a journalist was added to the text exchange. Waltz, who invited Goldberg into the Signal chat, said yesterday that he was investigating “how the heck he got into this room.”
 
HavokFour said:
Goldberg wasn't the only one that probably shouldn't have been in there. Makes you wonder how many times these accidents have happened, we're just lucky this time it happened to be a reporter to blow the whistle.


And Steve Witkoff was in Russia when receiving these messages on his end.

www.cbsnews.com

As top Trump aides sent texts on Signal, flight data show a member of the group chat was in Russia

As top Trump Cabinet members sent texts in a Signal group chat, CBS News analysis shows one of them, Steve Witkoff, was in Russia.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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Amazing. Literally in Russia.

And Gabbard was in Thailand on a publicized trip, on her way to India for a meeting of intelligence chiefs.
 
brihard said:
Amazing. Literally in Russia.

And Gabbard was in Thailand on a publicized trip, on her way to India for a meeting of intelligence chiefs.
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I can only imagine the chats that are being held in the EU, SK, Japan, UK, Australia, us, etc about what to share and what to not share with the Americans right now.

When you hire a Clown expect the circus to follow.
 
So, the Signal chat lawsuit has been assigned to Justice Boasberg of the U.S. federal court for the District of Columbia. Notably he’s also hearing the matter over the Alien Enemies Act in which the administration just days ago imposed state secrets privilege over the exact times that planes full of prisoners departed the U.S. I imagine that irony will not be lost on him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904884072763044089
 
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