Liberal Minority Government 2021 - ????

[Halifax Tar]

Could PP survive a defeat?

I dont think so.

If he doesn't win this election, I suspect his tenure as leader will quickly end.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Both.

And a 3rd- victims of their own failure to seize the yawning chasm of a vacuum left by JT in the Canadian political centre, allowing Carney to slide right in and try to lay to claim to it essentially unopposed*.

* Trying to plant doubt in the legitimacy/sincerity of Carney's claim isn't the same things as standing and fighting with your own claim to the ground.

Conservatives owned the polls for a while only because Liberals were pissed at Trudeau. They were just looking for any reason to go back to voting Liberal. Carney, Freeland, Gould, didn't matter.

Liberal voters don't really care about any bad shit their party did, or will do, because they're convinced "the Conservatives will be worse". They're also convinced the CPC will ban abortions, put an AR15 into everyone's hands on the streets, and give Trump the keys to parliament. There's no ground to seize against that.

 

[mariomike]

The same kind who disparaged the flag when the "others" were flying it

Finally some positive news about our beautiful flag.

Years after the convoy, Ottawa residents are 'reclaiming' the Canadian flag​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-post-convoy-reclaiming-flag-1.4469443

They hijacked our flag'​

 

[IKnowNothing]

Conservatives owned the polls for a while only because Liberals were pissed at Trudeau. They were just looking for any reason to go back to voting Liberal. Carney, Freeland, Gould, didn't matter.

The centre is more than Liberals. Harper knew that, Harper got to be PM.

The CPC can petulantly other everyone that doesn't toe the PP line, or it can grow up and try to win.

 

[Remius]

Conservatives owned the polls for a while only because Liberals were pissed at Trudeau. They were just looking for any reason to go back to voting Liberal. Carney, Freeland, Gould, didn't matter.

Oh I think it did. Free land or Gould would not get my vote. Carney might. And it seems he’s attracting PC types.

Liberal voters don't really care about any bad shit their party did, or will do, because they're convinced "the Conservatives will be worse". They're also convinced the CPC will ban abortions, put an AR15 into everyone's hands on the streets, and give Trump the keys to parliament. There's no ground to seize against that.

I think people want to know what a leader will do with the current crisis at hand. That is where the CPC is probably missing the mark as they keep campaigning against the guy who is gone.

They opted to go with the populist approach that saw plenty of success elsewhere. That calculation was correct probably for the time. Times have changed. They haven’t.

 

[PrairieFella]

Conservatives owned the polls for a while only because Liberals were pissed at Trudeau. They were just looking for any reason to go back to voting Liberal. Carney, Freeland, Gould, didn't matter.

What does that tell you about the current Tory brand? Verbing the Noun worked when Trudeau's image was in the tank only because people were sick of Trudeau. They weren't looking to go back to the Liberals, these people are like most Canadians and are centrists. If you want govern in Canada you need to be centrist with minimal leanings left or right. Harper understood that, Poilievre doesn't. The Conservatives need a dose of their own medicine and need to accept personal responsibility and reflect on why they've completely tanked.

 

[Quirky]

The ConservativesCanadians need a dose of their own medicine and need to accept personal responsibility and reflect on why they'veCanada's completely tanked.

FTFY. Canada will never reverse course under a LPC government, especially one essentially run by Carney as the advisor to Trudeau the last 10 years. Bring on Carney as PM I say. Canadians don't deserve change yet. Broken social systems, massive deficits and taxes is what they want - much better than a CPC government.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Globalist vs populist. Ironic to see the former trying to wrap himself in nationalism. Will people be taken in?

 

[Jarnhamar]

doesn't toe the PP line, or it can grow up and try to win.

Here's an excellent video of the PP line.

Record number of Canadians using food banks. Doubling of housing costs. Liberal government shutdown parliament to avoid disclosing evidence in the $400million green slush fund.

As I said Poilievres problem is overestimating how much Canadians care about stuff like this.

How much do you care the government shutdown down parliament to avoid giving evidence on this?

I think people want to know what a leader will do with the current crisis at hand. That is where the CPC is probably missing the mark as they keep campaigning against the guy who is gone.

Are you familiar with what Carneys plan is?

They opted to go with the populist approach that saw plenty of success elsewhere. That calculation was correct probably for the time. Times have changed. They haven’t.

It may cost them votes but there's something to be said about sticking to one's beliefs. In your opinion is a populist approach bad?

What does that tell you about the current Tory brand?

If they want to win the should less on Canadians doing the right thing and more on Canadians being selfish. Promise Canadians more money and tell them.not to worry about where it comes from or paying it back.

 

[HavokFour]

Here PP goes into detail on how he will axe the tax (and how Carney hasn't and won't) that Canadians need to hear.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901574232401707313

If we want to reduce our reliance on US trade, this would do the absolute opposite. The EU will require a price on carbon for heavy emitters starting next year, and the UK in 2027. South Korea, Japan, Australia, and South Africa are also all considering putting forward similar measures.

Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism

The CBAM will initially apply to imports of certain goods and selected precursors whose production is carbon intensive and at most significant risk of carbon leakage: cement, iron and steel, aluminium, fertilisers, electricity and hydrogen.

taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu

 

[Remius]

It may cost them votes but there's something to be said about sticking to one's beliefs. In your opinion is a populist approach bad?

and even the conservatives shelve their beliefs to get elected. This is all to common.

Populist approaches can be good or bad depending. In this case as I pointed out they made a calculation at the time that was likely correct. But times have changed and they haven’t.

 

[QV]

If we want to reduce our reliance on US trade, this would do the absolute opposite. The EU will require a price on carbon for heavy emitters starting next year, and the UK in 2027. South Korea, Japan, Australia, and South Africa are also all considering putting forward similar measures.

Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism

The CBAM will initially apply to imports of certain goods and selected precursors whose production is carbon intensive and at most significant risk of carbon leakage: cement, iron and steel, aluminium, fertilisers, electricity and hydrogen.

taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu

Why would we want to increase trade with more complicated and farther supply lines and added costs when we could increase trade next door? Trying to divorce from the US sounds like a super bad idea.

 

[JLB50]

and even the conservatives shelve their beliefs to get elected. This is all to common.

Populist approaches can be good or bad depending. In this case as I pointed out they made a calculation at the time that was likely correct. But times have changed and they haven’t.

Diefenbaker was probably the ultimate populist in modern Canadian history. In many ways he was quite progressive on many issues and perhaps even more so than his Liberal counterparts. His downfall was due in large part to his inconsistencies and his inability to work with his cabinet. Many of them, in fact, hated him almost as much as he distrusted them. Much like Mackenzie King he harboured some personal demons which ultimately kept him from being a great leader. Regardless, he remained quite popular with his voter base, especially those from the prairie provinces, for at least his full term of office and part of another.

 

[Remius]

Why would we want to increase trade with more complicated and farther supply lines and added costs when we could increase trade next door? Trying to divorce from the US sounds like a super bad idea.

Trump just showed us that the US is a single point of failure.

We should never be in that position again.

 

[HavokFour]

Why would we want to increase trade with more complicated and farther supply lines and added costs when we could increase trade next door? Trying to divorce from the US sounds like a super bad idea.

If the first 2.5 months of 2025 hasn't made it very obvious why perhaps having too many of our eggs in one basket is a bad idea, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[JLB50]

Why would we want to increase trade with more complicated and farther supply lines and added costs when we could increase trade next door? Trying to divorce from the US sounds like a super bad idea.

No divorce necessary, QV, we were never actually married. Shacking up? Yes. We’re now playing the field, so to speak.

 

[QV]

If the first 2.5 months of 2025 hasn't made it very obvious why perhaps having too many of our eggs in one basket is a bad idea, I don't know what to tell you.

We should get closer not farther. Trump 2.0 is a temporary blip.

 

[HavokFour]

We should get closer not farther. Trump 2.0 is a temporary blip.

While yes Trump of the flesh is indeed temporary, we have no idea how long Trumpism will last after he's gone. So once again, diversifying our trade (and defence procurement) to be even slightly less US centric isn't a bad idea at all.

 

[GR66]

We should get closer not farther. Trump 2.0 is a temporary blip.

The US was already our major trading partner (accounting for two thirds of our global trade) and most goods crossed the borders in both directions duty free due to CUSMA. How much closer can you get without becoming the 51st State?

 

[mariomike]

Trump 2.0 is a temporary blip.

Saw this about that posted by a wise and learned man years ago,

Tthe people who voted for Trump and will vote for him or his surrogate again, in 2020 and in 2024 and beyond, don't care about the data because it doesn't address their issues, their feelings.