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Liberal Minority Government 2021 - 2025

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He’d probably get my vote there.

A buddy of mine said that Carney was the conservative leader he’s been waiting for.
That's fair, and Paul Martin is one of the most fiscally conservative PMs we've had as well.

I think Carney on his own is pretty solid, even if I don't like some of his policies on industrial carbon requirements and a few other things, but don't trust the LPC machine not to keep some of the same PMO folks in place so it's more of the same.

On the flip side I don't think much of PP and he has his own backroom folks that would do the same, so it seems like still two crappy alternatives, with Carney a big improvement in comparison to Team Trudeau (C).

Calling an election now makes sense though; when the consumer carbon tax cuts kick in in April, will drop about $0.18 a litre, on top of whatever normal drop we get from the switch from winter to summer gas (5 or 6 cents a litre last time), so that alone will win a lot of goodwill from the average Canadian.

Feel a bit like PP flew too close to the MAGA sun and it's now coming home to bite him in the ass, so wouldn't be surprised at a stronger minority or even a majority for the LPC with the way things are trending.
 
... I think Carney on his own is pretty solid, even if I don't like some of his policies on industrial carbon requirements and a few other things, but don't trust the LPC machine not to keep some of the same PMO folks in place so it's more of the same ...
I stand to be corrected, but it's not The Machine that hires/fires PMO, but the PM him/herself.
... when the consumer carbon tax cuts kick in in April, will drop about $0.18 a litre, on top of whatever normal drop we get from the switch from winter to summer gas (5 or 6 cents a litre last time), so that alone will win a lot of goodwill from the average Canadian ...
As someone who's seen prices jump WAY more than the increase due to carbon tax whenever it would go up, I hope you're right.
 
I stand to be corrected, but it's not The Machine that hires/fires PMO, but the PM him/herself.

As someone who's seen prices jump WAY more than the increase due to carbon tax whenever it would go up, I hope you're right.
You're right, just meant the backroom PMO machine that really influences how departments do things by essentially sticking their fingers in everywhere.

Lot of things impacted inflation for sure, but when you are adding more than 10% in a surcharge to fuel, it'll be really obvious at least when you fill up. Not sure how much it will trickle down, but definitely increased transport costs in real terms as well, so expect some things will drop down a bit.
 

He commented during the French Language debate that he supports and will continue the firearms confiscation.
 
That's fair, and Paul Martin is one of the most fiscally conservative PMs we've had as well.

I think Carney on his own is pretty solid, even if I don't like some of his policies on industrial carbon requirements and a few other things, but don't trust the LPC machine not to keep some of the same PMO folks in place so it's more of the same.

On the flip side I don't think much of PP and he has his own backroom folks that would do the same, so it seems like still two crappy alternatives, with Carney a big improvement in comparison to Team Trudeau (C).

Calling an election now makes sense though; when the consumer carbon tax cuts kick in in April, will drop about $0.18 a litre, on top of whatever normal drop we get from the switch from winter to summer gas (5 or 6 cents a litre last time), so that alone will win a lot of goodwill from the average Canadian.

Feel a bit like PP flew too close to the MAGA sun and it's now coming home to bite him in the ass, so wouldn't be surprised at a stronger minority or even a majority for the LPC with the way things are trending.
I agree with your assessment entirely for the most part.

In regards to Carney's team keeping a lot of the same folks in the PMO as Trudeau had - absolutely

He's already decided to run with mostly the same cabinet as Trudeau, and Gerald Butts was seen lurking in the background of his swearing in ceremony (photographed)...

We also have to remember - and this is where Candians tend to have very short memories, or are just apathetic very much to their own peril...

Carney has been Trudea's economic advisor for the last 5 years.

The same 5 years we've racked up more debt than all previous PM's combined, while simultaneously red-taping various industries to death across the country.

The same 5 years the LPC (under Carney's advice) has spent obscene amounts of money on literally nothing, while simultaneously crippling the very source of that revenue in the first place.

The same 5 years (to be fair, of 10 years...so not all his fault) that the Canadian dollar has lost approximately 40% of its value.


Canadians also need to remember the guy has only been PM for a week (effectively 5 business days) so it's waaaayyyyy too early to tell whether he will be fiscally conservative or not...

(Given that he's been the economic advisor to the most fiscally irresponsible government in Canadian history, I dont know why people think he's going to suddenly turn the economy around. The present state of the Canadian economy has been shaped largely by him.)

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He also has to be seen to be taking decisive action on various things, and has to keep the charm way up, as we do have an election coming up soon & he knows it.

So this Mark Carney probably isn't the real Mark Carney.

I think we'll only see the real Mark Carney come out if they win the election, and I fear that will just be more of the same nonsense when it comes to Canada's money as before...because why wouldn't it be?

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He's on the record as stating that he believes the industrial carbon tax is far too low, and that he would increase it substantially while eliminating the consumer carbon tax.

Obviously companies will pass the increased cost of doing business down to the consumer, and he should know this.

So while the price of certain things may fall somewhat for a few months, the price is going to go right back up & then some when he imposes substantially higher carbon taxes on companies & industry...

America is currently lowering their corporate tax model to be among the lowest in the world, because they want companies to move there & employ Americans.

Meanwhile Canada is working behind the scenes to dramatically increase our corporate tax model (because of the carbon tax) which is going to drive businesses and investors to the much friendlier business environment south of the border...

Our shitty economic plan isn't Trump's fault. It's Carney's, Trudeau's, and Freeland's.

Trump didn't send Japan or Germany home with nothing because of "no business case"...that was 100% us.


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 I don't know why people seem to think that the guy who was the economic advisor to the PM that's led to the worst economy in memory, and the substantial drop in the value of the Cdn dollar, is going to be the one to somehow save the very economy he's helped ruin...

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This isn't a criticism of you or your friend, and for all we know he might end up being a great PM in the end. But his involvement in what got us here in the first place isn't inspiring a lot of confidence from me, personally.)

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I did find it genuinely jaw dropping when I heard him say he was going to drop GST on new homes costing less than $1 million, seeing as that's been PP's suggestion for a while now.

If the only good economic ideas Carney has are actually that of the other guy, I'm thinking the other guy is going to be who gets my vote...

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(Until the LPC demands that the $400M their MP's stole is to be returned, I dont think I can even look at the LPC as an option.

$400M awarded to themselves, for contracts they awarded to themselves...and to make matters even worse is those contracts weren't even fulfilled.

I mean there is the kind of corruption that allows politicians to award big contracts to companies they themselves own, but for those companies to then turn around and not do ANY of the work stipulated in those contracts?!?

That's a whole new level of both corruption and sheer arrogance. And not a PEEP has been said about it by the LPC - they just waited a few days for the media cycle to move on.



If Carney really wants to show us how different he is, he'd make those MP's return that money immediately. But it's not even on his radar...
 

He commented during the French Language debate that he supports and will continue the firearms confiscation.
And over $100M spent so far to buy back....0 guns everybody!

Add that to the $400M stolen by Liberal MP's who were supposed to oversee the responsible distribution of the STDC fund, and we have $500M spent on nothing.



Ask yourselves...could you spend $500M on literally nothing?

Could $500M be a huge game changer for any number of issues or causes?



Most Canadians don't want the government to confiscate their lawfully obtained and owned firearms...

Most Canadians DO want the government to go after criminals who use illegal firearms HARD...

So what does the government do?

They spend $100M buying back 0 guns from lawful gun owners, while keeping bail policies extremely lenient so even repeat violent offenders ALREADY ON BAIL can continue to make bail without any fear of any real consequences.



If he gets in, nothing is going to really change & the guy basically admits it...

Good luck Canada
 
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(Until the LPC demands that the $400M their MP's stole is to be returned, I dont think I can even look at the LPC as an option.

$400M awarded to themselves, for contracts they awarded to themselves...and to make matters even worse is those contracts weren't even fulfilled.

I mean there is the kind of corruption that allows politicians to award big contracts to companies they themselves own, but for those companies to then turn around and not do ANY of the work stipulated in those contracts?!?

That's a whole new level of both corruption and sheer arrogance. And not a PEEP has been said about it by the LPC - they just waited a few days for the media cycle to move on.



If Carney really wants to show us how different he is, he'd make those MP's return that money immediately. But it's not even on his radar...

I must have missed a story, what does that relate to?
 
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(Until the LPC demands that the $400M their MP's stole is to be returned, I dont think I can even look at the LPC as an option.

$400M awarded to themselves, for contracts they awarded to themselves...and to make matters even worse is those contracts weren't even fulfilled.

I mean there is the kind of corruption that allows politicians to award big contracts to companies they themselves own, but for those companies to then turn around and not do ANY of the work stipulated in those contracts?!?

That's a whole new level of both corruption and sheer arrogance. And not a PEEP has been said about it by the LPC - they just waited a few days for the media cycle to move on.



If Carney really wants to show us how different he is, he'd make those MP's return that money immediately. But it's not even on his radar...
Dude, I also had no idea what you were talking about, so I just went and read an entire transcript of a committee meeting about this which included the auditor general herself, and as 2ell as the deputy minister for the department of industry, and the associate deputy minister for Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada), and I can tell you that what you're saying (which is repeated by a whole bunch of conservative pundits, but only the less mainstream ones) is a GROSS misrepresentation of what actually happened.

I will go over in detail why later, but right now I'm going out to meet a budy for a beer.
 
I must have missed a story, what does that relate to?
That's okay, the story didn't get anywhere near as much air time as it should have.

That the media hasn't bothered to follow up on it, or pressure the LPC to take action, is mind boggling. After all...folks who work in news media have to pay income tax too, don't they?





EDIT - I didnt realize the above article was written by an Opposition MP. (I just saw Lethbridge Herald, skimmed it, and posted it)

Here's an article from the Toronto Sun, and this time I've made sure the author isn't an MP.

 
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I doubt that it will "catalyze" much; what it will do is stop the movement of capital trying to avoid the increased inclusion rate and approximately return things to the way they were.
Carney didn't cancel the proposed changes to the capital gains tax. The proposed changes died on their own because parliament is prorogued & therefore can't move forwards.

If parliament wasn't prorogued, I can almost guarantee they'd be pushing to make the proposed changes official.


Glad the changes aren't going through. That would have been a massive kick to the face of our economy.

66% is unreal... I can't believe Freeland actually introduced the idea.
 
That's okay, the story didn't get anywhere near as much air time as it should have.

That the media hasn't bothered to follow up on it, or pressure the LPC to take action, is mind boggling. After all...folks who work in news media have to pay income tax too, don't they?


I've heard there are guard rails to prevent stuff like this from happening.

Guess someone snuck past a couple (186) times.
 
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