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Charges laid against AWOL soldier
 
Stephen Thorne
Canadian Press


April 18, 2005


OTTAWA -- Charges have been laid against a former Special Forces soldier who disappeared while on leave in Thailand 21 months ago, the military announced Monday.

Sgt. Montgomery Paisley, an explosives expert who turned up at the Canadian Embassy in Bangkok on April 7, faces three charges, desertion, absence without leave and theft of a laptop computer containing bomb-making information.

All charges have been laid under the Code of Service Discipline, meaning Paisley will face court martial even though he was officially discharged from the service in December 2004.

"Sgt. Paisley is being held in custody and has been examined by a medical doctor,'' said a Defence Department statement. "He is entitled to legal counsel and contact with his family.''

In late July 2003, the New Brunswick native cleaned out his bank account, sorted out his affairs, and vanished after taking a commercial flight to Thailand.

A 16-year veteran of the military, he had an exemplary record and no signs of personal problems when he disappeared after landing in the southeast Asian country on Aug. 1, 2003.

During an extensive probe, Canadian and Thai investigators found no trace of Paisley before he turned up at the embassy, apparently with document problems.

Thai police detained Paisley before turning him over to members of the Canadian military's National Investigation Service, who travelled to Thailand to fetch him. He arrived back in Canada last Wednesday.

Investigators executed search warrants and interviewed family and friends after Paisley did not return from what was supposed to have been a two-week vacation. They acknowledged at the time they had found "red flags.''

Paisley had been a member of the commando unit Joint Task Force 2 for six years. He had spent a 2002 tour in Afghanistan with a Canadian battle group fighting Taliban and al-Qaida holdouts, based in Kandahar.

The Canadian Forces became particularly concerned about Paisley because his expertise was in explosives and defusing mines and booby traps.

Ottawa informed Thai police about his disappearance before the high-security Asia-Pacific economic summit in Bangkok in the fall of 2003.

While not believed to be a threat, he was thought to be carrying a laptop computer or notebook with bomb-making information. Interpol, the FBI and other international agencies were later alerted to his disappearance.

His trail went cold until he approached Canadian officials in Thailand.

Citing his role in the highly secretive JTF-2 commando status, the military has declined to release Paisley's age, his marital status, his picture or his physical description.

No Comments, just an FYI

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The details of his activities during his absence would either make a very good movie/book or they'd be really wierd, like at the beginning of Apocalypse now where Martin Sheen is just getting drunk in a seedy hotel room.


Any idea if they'll ever tell the public what exactly happened?
 
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/EdmontonSun/News/2005/04/21/1006386-sun.html

OTTAWA -- The Canadian military is hoping to hold a soldier's court martial behind closed doors. The hearing for Sgt. Montgomery Paisley, a former explosives expert with the elite commando unit Joint Task Force 2, was scheduled to begin yesterday but it was put off until today, when Paisley's lawyers can respond to the prosecution's request to close the hearing to the public.

The soldier was charged under the National Defence Act with desertion, absence without leave and theft after he vanished in Thailand. Paisley was classified as "absent without authority" for 21 months before turning himself into the Canadian Embassy in Bangkok April 7.

 
Missing soldier to face desertion charge
  http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/03/02/1469993-cp.html
OTTAWA (CP) - A former special forces sergeant who disappeared into southeast Asia for almost two years is to be tried on a single desertion charge during a court martial this spring.

Ex-sergeant Montgomery Paisley faces trial June 5 on the charge, which in these circumstances carries a sentence of up to two years less a day in jail and dismissal with disgrace from the military.
Paisley was originally charged with desertion, absence without leave and stealing, but the charges were reduced after review by a military prosecutor.

Lt.-Col. Mario Dutil, a military judge since 2001, will preside at the court martial in Gatineau, Que.
Paisley, an explosives expert with the JTF-2 commando unit, turned up at the Canadian Embassy in Bangkok last April 7.
He had been officially discharged from the service in December 2004 but his records can be amended if he's convicted.


 
JTF2 soldier missing since 2003 surfaces in Thailand
Last Updated Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:54:38 EDT
CBC News
OTTAWA - An explosives expert with Canada's elite commando unit who disappeared after a two-week leave in August 2003 is now in military custody in Canada after showing up in Thailand.


INDEPTH: Joint Task Force 2

 
Montgomery Paisley (file photo) 
Questions remain about what Special Forces Sergeant Montgomery Paisley of Joint Task Force 2 did while he was missing, officials said.

Paisley served a 2002 tour of duty in Afghanistan, fighting Taliban and al-Qaeda groups, before cleaning out his bank account, taking a commercial flight to Bangkok and vanishing.

The native of Brown's Flat, N.B., had been in the Canadian military for 16 years.

The case was a particular concern to Canadian authorities because Paisley specialized in explosives, mines and booby traps. Authorities believed he had a laptop computer containing bomb-making information when he disappeared.

A total of 13 military investigators turned up no clues to his whereabouts for almost two years, said Capt. Mark Giles of the National Investigation Service (NIS).

"Last week, Sgt. Montgomery Paisley approached the Canadian Embassy in Bangkok, Thailand, indicating he would like to return to Canada," Giles said Thursday. "After consultation with Thai authorities, members of the NIS travelled to Thailand and returned him safely home."

The fact that Paisley emptied out his bank account indicates some premeditation, said military analyst David Rudd of the Canadian Institute of Strategic Studies.

"Given the fact that he went to Southeast Asia, given the fact that his whereabouts and activities were unknown for the better part of two years ... this [is] a national security issue. You just can't avoid it," Rudd told CBC News.

He said it's worrisome that highly trained military investigators could not track down the soldier.

The military won't disclose Paisley's current location, citing national security. They will only say that he is safe and in custody at a "defence establishment in Canada."

Members of Paisley's family in New Brunswick say they're glad he's safe but know nothing more about where he is.

 
Ummmm.... yeah.
so what's the new development?
The man was back in Canada in 2005 and we're into 2006
 
It's always bugged me how the media portrays this guy as being more then he was.  As has been noted in more realistic open source accounts, the Sgt in question was a support trade member attached to the unit and NOTHING MORE!  That's not to take away from the great work that the support trades do at the unit but this seems to be yet another case where the media is just trying to besmirch the reputation of the people working at that unit.  Ridiculous!

Just my 2 cents.
 
As Bruce posted above (Reply No. 77) his trial will be held on 05 June (Sorry Geo.  Got the dates mixed up in the PM.)

The CMs in the NCR are usually held at the Asticou Centre in Downtown Gatineau (formerly Hull).  Chances are that it will be closed to the public.





Locked, and now continued in a new thread:
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/44006.0.html


OM
 
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/05/19/desertercharges-fri.html
Desertion charges dropped against missing commando
Last Updated Fri, 19 May 2006 16:46:24 EDT
CBC News

Military officials have dropped desertion charges against a Canadian explosives expert who went missing in Thailand for two years.

Sgt. Montgomery Paisley, a member of Canada's elite Joint Task Force 2 (JTF2), disappeared after a two-week leave in August 2003, leaving a major security crisis in his wake.

His disappearance caused a security flap because the 16-year army veteran was a specialist in explosives, mines and booby traps. He was a veteran of the war in Afghanistan, and military officials believed that he had a laptop computer containing bomb-making information.

A total of 13 military investigators looked for the missing explosives expert without success. A native of Brown's Flat, N.B., he had disappeared without trace.

Paisley turned up two years later, in April 2005, when he walked into the Canadian embassy in Bangkok, saying he wanted to return to Canada. The military flew him home and charged him with desertion, being absent without leave and theft.

Now, a year after his return, military officials have dropped the desertion charge. The other charges were dropped earlier.

Capt. (Navy) Holly MacDougall, Canada's director of military prosecutions, said the charge was withdrawn after the army recently discovered that Paisley had suffered from a major depressive disorder at the time of his disappearance, and still suffers from the illness.

"Had the matter proceeded to court martial, the central issue would have been the mental health of the accused and his level of criminal responsibility," MacDougall said.

The army prosecutors consulted mental health professionals and decided that there was no point in proceeding with the charges.

It was not disclosed whether Paisley would remain in the military.

Mixed feelings about this... what do you think? I don't think he will remain in the military for long, probally will be discharged eventually.
 
It sets a precedent that may come back to haunt them.  I don't know if there is any "good" way to handle this type of defense without looking either crass and vindictive or easily manipulated.
 
*tinfoil hat on*  Maybe he was on some super secret JTF2/Ninja Black op... and this is all a cover.... *tinfoil hat off*
:)

Please forgive that retarded post of mine :p
 
So if your depressed your excused any wrong doing?

I've been unimpressed with our justice system as of late.
 
Dunno, thats a hard one without knowing the guy.

I recently read on killing from D. Grossman, and I have new appreciation for the effects combat can have on the mental health of soldiers.

I am no expert, but if someone is not receiveing support and confirmation that his action were good, the negative effect on the psyche can be hard to understand for the ones who have not seen the elephant.

I would be inclined to give him all my support. If he wants to stay in the army (which I would doubt) and he is deemed fit for duty, I have no issues with him wearing the uniform.

Maybe thats just me...
 
I believe the administrative side of the house will kick in and he will be discharged. Insofar as the NCR defence to the charge, that's a pretty tough one to prove in court. From my experience some of our military prosecutors are a little too timid when it comes to persuing charges especially if there is a chance the defence has a good case.
 
Since this is a matter of this man being a (former?) JTF-2 member and as a result any number of possibilities as to why he was gone for that period of time.  I don't think it would be in our best interest to speculate on whether or not in this case it would be prudent to comment on unless you worked with this man or know, personally, info pertaining to this trial.

Now in general a discharge and criminal investigation sounds like the right doing in my (civilian) opinion.  Thats my 2 cents, please correct me if I stand wrong.
 
Ah, it's good to be back, I missed the intelligent conversation, rather than mindless ranting and arguements I have witnessed of late on other forums.
we definately need to get a tinfoil hat emoticon though, the number of times people type it out.....


I also have feelings from both sides of the coin.

On the one face (yes, pun intended), he should be treated like any other soldier who goes AWOL, and have the same reprocussions, and considerations regarding state of being. I agree that 'I was depressed, so I left' is not a valid reason for doing so, but he did come back eventually. There is no reason that he couldn't have returned, and then asked for help, followed by an evaluation and discharge for those reasons.

On the other, the military should be taking more responsibility for the evaluation of these sorts of problems in order to prevent such things from happening.
 
I agree with KevinB, I seem to recall hearing that Sgt. Paisley has already been released from the CF.

It's fruitless IMO to be armchair lawyers here and comment on whether or not the decision to drop the charges against Sgt. Paisley is the correct one or not. It is what it is and obviously people in the know decided this is the best course of action.

Sgt. Paisley gave 16 years of his life dedicated to the CF and Canadians. From what I've read on these forums from people who know him, he was a dedicated and honourable soldier. If the courts want to cut him some slack, who am I to disagree? I hope he's able to rid himself of whatever demons sent him into solitude for two years.
 
I served with Pais, and he was a solid, all round squared away troop.  There's no doubt in my mind that this is not a dodge, he's just not the type.
 
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