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The Khadr Thread

PMedMoe said:
Khadr to face U.S. military tribunal

During Friday's Supreme Court hearing in Ottawa, federal lawyer Robert Frater argued that the courts have no greater right to order Mr. Khadr be returned to Canada than they have to order the recall of Canada's' ambassador to Washington to protest his detention.

Mr. Frater said that the government alone has the right to decide whether or not to request Mr. Khadr's repatriation from Guantanamo Bay without interference from the courts.

“We are in the realm of diplomacy here,” Mr. Frater told the country's top court. “The government has the right to decide what requests should be made, how they should be made, and when they should be made. The courts are not in the best position to do that.”


If the court has any sense, it will seize on this idea and rule that it does not have jurisdiction over Foreign Affairs. That issue aside, I personally contend that it is not the governments' responsibility to rescue you from your misfortune at every turn.
 
X-mo-1979 said:
Caribbean gulag at Guantanamo....
You gotta be kidding me.

This writer needs a history/word meaning class.I'm sure the 1,053,829 people that died in the Gulag's would have

I understand that this is the number that the Russians admit to in the prison system and work camps only.  My guess is that this number is a lot higher and most deportees ended up in random Siberian communities outside camps.  My second cousins and their families ended up in Khazakstan in the winter of 1941/42 and half died from exposure, starvation etc. 
 
From the Globe & Mail:
After spending a third of his life in Guantanamo Bay, Canadian Omar Khadr and scores of other terrorist suspects will be shipped to a prison in Illinois as U.S. President Barack Obama works to make good on a promise to close the notorious camp.

The White House announced Tuesday that it will transfer as many as 100 of the 210 terrorist suspects held at the U.S. naval base in Cuba to the Thomson Correctional Center on the banks of the Mississippi River in western Illinois.

Military commissions – the special tribunals created for terrorist trials with fewer legal protections than civilian courts – will be held inside the prison, a senior Obama administration official said.

Mr. Khadr, charged with murder and terrorism-related crimes, is one of only a handful of Guantanamo prisoners to be charged under the controversial military-commissions procedure, which has been repeatedly redrafted in the wake of Supreme Court rulings that the commissions fail to meet constitutional standards.
 
This, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Globe and Mail web site, complicates life for the government:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/supreme-court-says-canada-violated-khadrs-charter-rights/article1448678/
Canada violated Khadr's Charter rights, Supreme Court says
But country's highest court also says Ottawa must be given chance to rectify Omar Khadr's plight before stepping in to dictate response

Kirk Makin

Ottawa — Globe and Mail

Friday, Jan. 29, 2010 10:01

Omar Khadr is not coming home yet – but the Supreme Court of Canada has moved his repatriation considerably closer.

In an 9-0 ruling this morning, the Court said that Canada violated Mr. Khadr's Charter rights by participating in illegal interrogation methods which included sleep deprivation.

It stressed that the constitutional breach is ongoing and “continues to this day.”

However, the court said that before stepping in to dictate a Canadian response on a sensitive question of foreign policy, the federal government must be given a chance to rectify Mr. Khadr's plight.

But should the government fail to act, the court warned that it has the power to move more overtly to aid Mr. Khadr.

The Court had been presented with two starkly different options at Mr. Khadr's hearing last November. The first was to order the 23-year-old man's repatriation based on his rights having been violated during interrogation sessions.

The alternative – urged by lawyers for the federal government – was to adopt a hands-off attitude and let the U.S. go about prosecuting Mr. Khadr before a military commission.

The case was as politically-charged as any the Court has heard in recent years; a battle over the notion that judges can tie government hands on matters of foreign policy where constitutional rights are at stake.

Lawyers for a host of human rights organizations exhorted the Supreme Court to flex its constitutional muscle and come to Mr. Khadr's rescue.

The pro-Khadr groups depicted him as being not a terrorist, but a frightened child who wept for his mother after his arrest and implored his country to help him. They contended that Canada's passive stand in the case made it little better than the troops who subjected Mr. Khadr to sleep deprivation and shone bright lights for hours in his wounded eyes.

Mr. Khadr's supporters also made it clear that by insisting on Mr. Khadr's repatriation, the Court would be saying that the federal government effectively colluded in an extreme abuse of a citizen's rights abroad.

By the time the Court heard the appeal last fall, the federal government had ratcheted up the pressure by bluntly warning the Court that it would brook no interference with its long-held view that Mr. Khadr must remain in the U.S. court system until his case has been resolved.

Mr. Khadr was severely wounded in 2002 when he allegedly tossed a grenade that killed a U.S. Special Forces medic. He was charged with murder in the death of a U.S. medic and scheduled to go before a Guantanamo Bay military commission.

However, U.S. President Barack Obama effectively shut down the commission system this year before Mr. Khadr could be tried. Mr. Khadr remains in Guantanamo, along with more than 100 other terrorism suspects.

The decision under appeal was issued last year by Federal Court Judge James O'Reilly. He found that the government had failed to ensure that Mr. Khadr's treatment complied with international human rights norms, and ordered the government to seek his return.

By adopting a passive stance while Mr. Khadr was in U.S. hands, Judge O'Reilly found that Canada had been complicit in tortures, which included sleep deprivation and the use of vicious dog to intimidate him.

Judge O'Reilly found that there is a constitutional “duty to protect” Canadian citizens imprisoned abroad if they are abused in a manner that infringes their rights under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

On appeal the Federal Court of Appeal upheld the ruling by a 2-1 margin.

At one point in the hearing, Chief Justice McLachlin expressed concern that, with Mr. Khadr's mistreatment in the distant past, it might be too late for the courts to take drastic action.

“He has suffered greatly, perhaps, and with great consequence,” she said. “But how does repatriation fix that?”

Other judges also worried about the long-term ramifications of coming to Mr. Khadr's rescue.

However, Nathan Whitling – a member of Mr. Khadr's legal team – tried to put their concerns to rest by assuring the Court that Mr. Khadr was not claiming that the government was under a legal duty to take diplomatic measures on behalf of any Canadian held by authorities abroad.

Mr. Whitling said that the Khadr case was unique; that the elements of torture and illegality present in the Guantanamo military process created “special circumstances” that amounted to a breach of Mr. Khadr's Charter right to life, liberty and security of the person.

Federal lawyers put up stiff resistance, warning the judiciary not to create a foreign-policy nightmare by micromanaging sensitive situations abroad involving Canadians.

“The government has the right to decide what requests should be made, how they should be made, and when they should be made,” federal lawyer Robert Frater argued. “The courts are not in the best position to do that.”

Prime Minister Stephen Harper has himself argued that Mr. Khadr doesn't deserve the protections afforded child soldiers by international conventions. “To be a child soldier, you have to be in an army,” he said last year, echoing a U.S. claim that the 15-year-old was an “unlawful combatant.”

While Mr. Khadr faces life in prison if convicted, most legal observers believe that he would walk free based on time already served if the Harper government would agree to allow him to return home.

Indeed, the Obama administration has hinted it might revisit the case if the Supreme Court were to rule against Mr. Khadr's repatriation.

The famous US Supreme Justice Robert Jackson (of Nuremburg War Crimes trial fame) said of the US Supreme Court court many years ago, "We are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final." This, our Supremes’ ruling is final – unless Harper uses the notwithstanding clause or finds some new, more creative way to keep Khadr out of Canada.

I think Khadr wins; I’m just not sure how.
 
No, you had it right. Harper said this government would not seek repaitriation of criminals being judged by democratic governments, and this upholds it.  Yeah!!!
 
Oddly enough, The Globe has since altered the title of that story to: "Supreme Court won't force Khadr repatriation".
 
The latest from the National Post:
The Prime Minister's Office firmly shut the door Wednesday on seeking Omar Khadr's repatriation from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Dimitri Soudas, a spokesman for Prime Minister Stephen Harper, said there will be no change in policy following a Supreme Court of Canada ruling that found the government violated Khadr's charter rights, but did not order the government to request his return to Canada as a remedy.

"Their ruling said we get to decide and we're saying that Mr. Khadr faces serious charges on a wide range of things," Soudas told reporters.

Soudas reiterated the government's longstanding assertion that it will not interfere with the court process in the United States, where Khadr is scheduled to be tried before a military commission next summer on charges of murder as a war crime.

"There's no shift in Canadian policy on this," said Soudas. "Mr. Khadr does faces serious charges and it's under the American administration's purview right now to pursue with the court case" ....
 
Omar Khadr wants $10 M in damages from Ottawa
  By Janice Tibbetts, Canwest News ServiceFebruary 5, 2010
Article Link

The Canadian government could be on the hook for a multimillion-dollar payout to Omar Khadr, after the Supreme Court of Canada appears to have strengthened his hand in a long-standing civil lawsuit by declaring his charter rights were violated.

The Guantanamo Bay detainee, in a damages suit launched six years ago, has recently bumped up his claim to $10 million from $100,000, court documents show.

The federal Justice Department acknowledges in separate court records that Khadr's maltreatment by a Canadian official, who questioned him in Cuba while knowing he had been softened up through sleep deprivation, could play a role in the outcome of the lawsuit.

"It may be a relevant factor in those proceedings," federal lawyers wrote in a brief to the Supreme Court as it considered whether to order the government to seek repatriation.

The civil suit is still "many years away from resolution," cautioned Khadr's lawyer, Nathan Whitling.

"That action is still out there but they're not about to write us a cheque for it," said Whitling, who asserted that the Supreme Court declaration that Khadr's charter rights have been violated should bolster his case.

The Federal Court gave Khadr permission last spring to increase the amount of his claim following revelations a Foreign Affairs official knew Khadr had been subjected to a "frequent flyer" sleep-deprivation program to make him less resistant to questioning.
More on link


 
How about we give the 10 M to the family of the killed medic saying "Sorry that scumbag came from our country".

Gap, your sig really comes to mind while reading this article.
 
This is what makes Lawyers look like such scumbags.  What if we took this article, and the Lawyer's motions, and substituted "Omar Khadr" with, just for shits and giggles, "Clifford Olsen", or "Paul Bernardo", or one of any number of other murderers?  As well, change "The Guantanamo Bay" to something like "Attica State Penitentiary".  What would the concensus be?

 
...and on WHAT grounds does the Canadian Gov't supposedly owe him this.??  I'd say at best a free plane ticket out of here and take any others with him.! 

This is insane... bet he gets it though.?  It's the "Canadian Way".! FFS      :rage:
 
George Wallace said:
As well, change "The Guantanamo Bay" to something like "Attica State Penitentiary".  What would the concensus be?

I don't think they would like Attica. I think that was the mother of all American prison riots.
 
The riot wasn't so bad, only one Corrections Officer died. It was the aftermath that made it infamous. From what I remember reading last year in gr.11 law, the NY State Troopers and national guard killed 9 hostages and 29 inmates with thousands of live rounds fired into a cloud of tear gas, then tried to cover it up by saying the 9 hostages were killed by the inmates, then published false information in the papers, then paid $12m a few years ago in civil court to families of the dead inmates and hostages.

On topic, Khadr doesn't deserve a dime
 
With how things go today, I reckon he'll get $ 20,000,000 and a huge televised appology from the government.

Pathetic!

We (the sheeple) are our own wrost eneny.

Khadr deserves nothing but his citizenship revoked and a life ban on living in Canada

My opinion.

OWDU
 
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