The Decline of the Liberal Party- Swerved Into a Confederation Topic

[Navy_Pete]

We always ran our novel research work through a statistician to develop the proper analysis. Its CYA gives you somone to blame

Having a specialist do peer review on the analysis bit never hurts; sometimes correlation can be a bit more tenuous than people think.

Predictive analytics and all kinds of other applications though can get massively complicated as well so it's a lot more complicated than what most people see outputs for in newspaper articles with basic population info.

 

[Rifleman62]

How about removing School Taxes on the Property Taxes of those over 65 YOA?

 

[Weinie]

How about removing School Taxes on the Property Taxes of those over 65 YOA?

Except those folks that you fund in school eventually get jobs and consequently pay taxes that fund our pensions. It's a giant Ponzi scheme, but it keeps food on your table.

 

[Rifleman62]

Agree, but a lot of 65+ having been paying with after tax dollars for decades and decades. If you where fortunate to own a residence at age e.g. 30, you paid school taxes for 35 years plus the longer you live.

It will never happen anyway.

 

[dapaterson]

Does that mean I can stop paying taxes to cover OAS for seniors, since I'm not benefiting from it...

 

[FSTO]

A fairy tale view from the Tuffnel Saskatchewan.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1589614126078521344

 

[Eaglelord17]

Agree, but a lot of 65+ having been paying with after tax dollars for decades and decades. If you where fortunate to own a residence at age e.g. 30, you paid school taxes for 35 years plus the longer you live.

It will never happen anyway.

Considering that same generation never fully paid its way and is why we have national debt in the first place, they can keep paying until they day they die.

Just because you’ve paid taxes for decades doesn’t mean you paid enough to break even.

 

[OldSolduer]

Considering that same generation never fully paid its way and is why we have national debt in the first place, they can keep paying until they day they die.

Just because you’ve paid taxes for decades doesn’t mean you paid enough to break even.

Could you get any more snarky? Please this not what this is about. "Never fully paid its way? " Really?

It was a legitimate question and that response is undeserved.

 

[Rifleman62]

Does that mean I can stop paying taxes to cover OAS for seniors, since I'm not benefiting from it...

No, speaking about School Taxes only.

You are paying taxes to cover OAS for seniors and yourself, as a future recipient, now as it is included in your income tax.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Could you get any more snarky? Please this not what this is about. "Never fully paid its way? " Really?

It was a legitimate question and that response is undeserved.

It is also a legitimate answer. If I borrow 20$ and pay back 15$, just because I have spent a long time paying back that 15$ should I not still have to pay the other 5$?

Before Trudeau Sr. got in we had very little national debt. After we added all these social programs to our government and didn’t raise taxes enough to pay for them all we got our national debt. So yes didn’t pay their way is how I word it as if there is more debt after your done than when you showed up, you never paid it all off.

I will admit I am more than a little bitter with the boomer generation. They screwed up a lot of stuff which my generation shall have to fix, but its going to get a lot worse before it gets better. The trades, the healthcare system, the housing market, we are going to see complete collapses of these systems most likely in the next 20 years unless drastic action is taken. And I am not seeing anyone leading the charge on fixing them, only attempting bandaids on a large flesh wound.

When they start suggesting tax cuts for the things they never paid off, I don’t look too kindly upon it.

 

[Kat Stevens]

It is also a legitimate answer. If I borrow 20$ and pay back 15$, just because I have spent a long time paying back that 15$ should I not still have to pay the other 5$?

Before Trudeau Sr. got in we had very little national debt. After we added all these social programs to our government and didn’t raise taxes enough to pay for them all we got our national debt. So yes didn’t pay their way is how I word it as if there is more debt after your done than when you showed up, you never paid it all off.

I will admit I am more than a little bitter with the boomer generation. They screwed up a lot of stuff which my generation shall have to fix, but its going to get a lot worse before it gets better. The trades, the healthcare system, the housing market, we are going to see complete collapses of these systems most likely in the next 20 years unless drastic action is taken. And I am not seeing anyone leading the charge on fixing them, only attempting bandaids on a large flesh wound.

When they start suggesting tax cuts for the things they never paid off, I don’t look too kindly upon it.

Holy bat, fuck man! When exactly is it do you think you’ll pay off all the social engineering experiments your generations government has conjured up over the last couple of years? My great grandkids will be old before there’s even a dent in the current load. WE didn’t make the mess, THEY (politicians) did. Grip yourself ffs…

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If we don't get our financial house in order, anyone receiving pensions, OAS, CCP or government pensions can look forward to clawback or loss. When they go broke, so do we. No government payment are safe.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

It is also a legitimate answer. If I borrow 20$ and pay back 15$, just because I have spent a long time paying back that 15$ should I not still have to pay the other 5$?

Before Trudeau Sr. got in we had very little national debt. After we added all these social programs to our government and didn’t raise taxes enough to pay for them all we got our national debt. So yes didn’t pay their way is how I word it as if there is more debt after your done than when you showed up, you never paid it all off.

I will admit I am more than a little bitter with the boomer generation. They screwed up a lot of stuff which my generation shall have to fix, but its going to get a lot worse before it gets better. The trades, the healthcare system, the housing market, we are going to see complete collapses of these systems most likely in the next 20 years unless drastic action is taken. And I am not seeing anyone leading the charge on fixing them, only attempting bandaids on a large flesh wound.

When they start suggesting tax cuts for the things they never paid off, I don’t look too kindly upon it.

Who is responsible for all the crap happening today then? The out of control spending, social engineering, etc? Should we blame that then, on your generation who are currently in control? Or do we skip yours and blame it on the up and coming.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Holy bat, fuck man! When exactly is it do you think you’ll pay off all the social engineering experiments your generations government has conjured up over the last couple of years? My great grandkids will be old before there’s even a dent in the current load. WE didn’t make the mess, THEY (politicians) did. Grip yourself ffs…

And who voted THEY in? The answer? WE did.

Look I take responsibility for the garbage the current government is doing even though they didn’t get my vote. Its a democracy and as such as a voter we are responsible for the actions of said government. I am also one of the few who directly advocate for a increase in taxes or a cut in services until we start paying off debt.

The reason being is people don’t get mad and demand change until they start actually paying for it. This pushing it off on the next generation is a garbage mentality that should go the way of the dodo.

Who is responsible for all the crap happening today then? The out of control spending, social engineering, etc? Should we blame that then, on your generation who are currently in control? Or do we skip yours and blame it on the up and coming.

Yours and mine, both are able to vote and control what is happening currently. Though my generation is just starting to move into the government (Millennial) its Gen X and the boomers who are mainly in it currently.

Too many people dismiss the blame for the actions of government. If people saw it more as our problem to fix instead of just pretending we only deal with the consequences things might go a lot smoother and we might actually find solutions to problems.

 

[mariomike]

I will admit I am more than a little bitter with the boomer generation.

"We didn't start the fire
It was always burning since the world's been turning"

 

[Brad Sallows]

The Boomers' answer has already been provided by progressives. All that spending was investment, and made things the awesome way they are today! You're welcome! (I am skeptical, but it's beyond proof or disproof anyways.) It's not as if the people inheriting the situation they deplore are not themselves spending future revenues today.

Each new proposal for more spending (at any level of government) seems to have a cheering section, few of whom ask how much it will cost, and fewer who ask how it will be funded. "Those poor people deserve X!" It's trivially obvious that wants exceed means and that existing accumulated deficits (debts) are high and that interest rates may not be going back to the ahistorically low range we recently enjoyed.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Let them cancel Disney subscriptions....

KINSELLA: Out-of-touch Chrystia Freeland and her Disney gaffe​

Minister of finance thinks cutting cartoons will help Canadians with cost of living

It’s the cost of living, Ms. Freeland. And not Simpsons reruns on Disney. Canadians, from coast to coast to coast, are focused on how hard it is to get by.

Nanos: The top issue for Canadians is the state of the economy, far ahead of any other issue, with inflation not far behind. Abacus: 73% say the cost of living is the most important issue they’re facing — followed by economy (45%) and housing affordability (36%).

Also Abacus: When asked what inflation and rising interest rates have made “much more difficult” to get, half said food. Thirty-five per cent said housing. And 34% said energy — heating their home or fuelling their vehicle.

KINSELLA: Out-of-touch Chrystia Freeland and her Disney gaffe

Let them eat cake. In fairness to Marie Antoinette, she probably didn't even say that.

torontosun.com

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Let them cancel Disney subscriptions....

KINSELLA: Out-of-touch Chrystia Freeland and her Disney gaffe​

Minister of finance thinks cutting cartoons will help Canadians with cost of living

It’s the cost of living, Ms. Freeland. And not Simpsons reruns on Disney. Canadians, from coast to coast to coast, are focused on how hard it is to get by.

Nanos: The top issue for Canadians is the state of the economy, far ahead of any other issue, with inflation not far behind. Abacus: 73% say the cost of living is the most important issue they’re facing — followed by economy (45%) and housing affordability (36%).

Also Abacus: When asked what inflation and rising interest rates have made “much more difficult” to get, half said food. Thirty-five per cent said housing. And 34% said energy — heating their home or fuelling their vehicle.

KINSELLA: Out-of-touch Chrystia Freeland and her Disney gaffe

Let them eat cake. In fairness to Marie Antoinette, she probably didn't even say that.

torontosun.com

Let them eat cake.

 

[Gunplumber]

Let them eat cake.

So why cant we just get every voter to spoil their ballot and no one can get voted in until there is a set of UNBREAKABLE rules that they have to abide by or the next party that got the most votes take over. We can make it so that they have to keep 50% of their promises that they made during the election or, yup, you guessed it, they are booted and the next party steps in to take over. No costly elections continuously and maybe they might start to take things seriously. Yeah I know I'm dreaming and the only thing that happens is that we will go bankrupt, and it will happen. Now i need to get a coffee and wake up and talk sensibly......

 

[The Bread Guy]

... You are paying taxes to cover OAS for seniors and yourself, as a future recipient, now as it is included in your income tax.

And as someone who has to live in a society tomorrow filled with/run by people being educated today, there's a case to be made that you're a "future recipient" of the education system. Agree or disagree with how well the education system is working, there's a reason a lot of people say "young people are the future" - a future we'll be living in, too.

And as others smarter than me have said up thread, statistically speaking, younger cohorts don't use as much health care as older cohorts. If we believe the Canadian Medical Association, "The average per-person spending on health care for Canadians aged 64 and below is $2,700. The average per-person spending on Canadians aged 65 and over is more than four times higher at $12,000." So, do we prorate health care costs by age?