Replacing the Subs

[Oldgateboatdriver]

FSTO is lucky if he truly never got seasick. I think everybody gets seasick at some point, but most of the true seagoing personnel only get seasick occasionally and, as NS said, the Brown Bottle syndrome has something to do with it.

As for me, a couple of pretty bad storms did me in, and, if I've been away from the sea for a while, I take Gravol for the first few days just in case because, as Underway points out, when we get into more senior positions, why take the risk of waiting to adapt if medication can get you over the "hump", so to speak.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I generally only got tired and had a headache. If I had a nap, I was good to go.

However, the older I got, the more sensitive to motion I became. I recall once on PRO coming back to ESQ from San Diego where we were very light and the ship was pitching- alot. The forward house (where the wardroom was) was a freight elevator to hell. I skipped breakfast/lunch/dinner that day and hung out in my rack- that was a bad day. The deck was Waaayyyyy out of limits (2 pitch, 4 roll were the limits: we were pitching through 15 with the occasional 20 that day), so we were not flying and I was not missing anything. Probably 10 years earlier, I would have shook that off.

Walking aft through the dispersal area to the hangar, you could feel the exact point when you hit the centre of moment for the ship. Everything was chaos in both directions- dead calm where you stood.

 

[FSTO]

FSTO is lucky if he truly never got seasick. I think everybody gets seasick at some point, but most of the true seagoing personnel only get seasick occasionally and, as NS said, the Brown Bottle syndrome has something to do with it.

As for me, a couple of pretty bad storms did me in, and, if I've been away from the sea for a while, I take Gravol for the first few days just in case because, as Underway points out, when we get into more senior positions, why take the risk of waiting to adapt if medication can get you over the "hump", so to speak.

My first ride in Preserver after sailing for years on the steamers was a cause of a bit of nausea until I got used to the unfamiliar pitch and roll. Born and raised Prairie lad, no idea how I won that lottery.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

While I wouldn’t expect all 12 boats to come on line at the same time. Once we have them all, where do we get the approx 2000 sailors to man them?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

While I wouldn’t expect all 12 boats to come on line at the same time. Once we have them all, where do we get the approx 2000 sailors to man them?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

It would be nowhere close to that many sailors for 12 subs.

Figure 50 pers per crew. Even then, subs in refit would have far fewer crew members (1/3 of the fleet would always be in refit).

 

[Fishbone Jones]

It would be nowhere close to that many sailors for 12 subs.

Figure 50 pers per crew. Even then, subs in refit would have far fewer crew members (1/3 of the fleet would always be in refit).

Sorry, I punched in 'How many crew on a SSN. It came back with 132. I timed that by 12 and rounded it to 2000.

I know zero about boats. I still wonder where the people would come from.

Tanks for the education.

 

[Maxman1]

While I wouldn’t expect all 12 boats to come on line at the same time. Once we have them all, where do we get the approx 2000 sailors to man them?

 

[suffolkowner]

It would be nowhere close to that many sailors for 12 subs.

Figure 50 pers per crew. Even then, subs in refit would have far fewer crew members (1/3 of the fleet would always be in refit).

not 12 subs 12 crews? so 8 or 9 crews for 12 subs? Do we do that now presently with the Halifax? By volition or duress?

Begs the question would or should we trade 1 River for 4 subs? Not that I think we are going to get 12

 

[Halifax Tar]

I was deathly seasick when I first started sailing. I have stories about passing out in the 57 MM mag, at the top of the wardroom ladder down to the galley office, and working with garbage bags tied to my belt loop, and having the doc give me a needle in the ass cheek to knock me out.

Sickbay tried to make me chronic but I begged and pleaded not too; and eventually I built up a tolerance. I also learned I prefer duty on the last day in port, not the first.

Now, unless we are in 5+ meter seas I'm fine. After that I wear a patch. And we rarely see 5+ meter seas anymore.

 

[Stoker]

Been at sea for most of my career and have more actual time at sea than most current sailors. Thankfully the only sea sickness I got was a low grade headache. I find it affects people differently. What's interesting is that in extreme sea states where stuff goes wrong ie water coming into bridge windows, water coming in through vents, hatches, light flooding and extreme slamming including false fire alarms and a complete power blackout seasickness will quickly be ignored and people will do the jobs they were trained to do.

 

[NavyShooter]

I was one of the few in the meal line during this storm.

 

[Good2Golf]

Walking aft through the dispersal area to the hangar, you could feel the exact point when you hit the centre of moment for the ship. Everything was chaos in both directions- dead calm where you stood.

This is where I’d be hanging out.

 

[Rainbow1910]

While I wouldn’t expect all 12 boats to come on line at the same time. Once we have them all, where do we get the approx 2000 sailors to man them?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-germany-norway-nato-submarines-1.7240569

I've heard rumours that this proposed submarine procurement and operation pact between Germany, Norway and Canada would include avenues for RCN submariners to get their feet in the door with the German/Norwegian personnel training pipelines and generate manpower through this way. It is potentially one of the major supporting points for the German Type 212CD proposal, partnering with relevant NATO members can provide benefits that those outside of the alliance are largely unsuited to give.

 

[KevinB]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-germany-norway-nato-submarines-1.7240569

I've heard rumours that this proposed submarine procurement and operation pact between Germany, Norway and Canada would include avenues for RCN submariners to get their feet in the door with the German/Norwegian personnel training pipelines and generate manpower through this way. It is potentially one of the major supporting points for the German Type 212CD proposal, partnering with relevant NATO members can provide benefits that those outside of the alliance are largely unsuited to give.

Calling it NAUKUS?

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

No, CANORDE: Canada - Norge - Deutschland

 

[OldSolduer]

I was one of the few in the meal line during this storm.

I think you guys are crazy but then again you probably think that about me.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

This is where I’d be hanging out.

I'd be hanging out on the jetty.

 

[Underway]

It would be nowhere close to that many sailors for 12 subs.

Figure 50 pers per crew. Even then, subs in refit would have far fewer crew members (1/3 of the fleet would always be in refit).

50 pers is a good number.

Some of the submarines that are being looked at require even less. 35 for the 212CD and 40ish for others.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I think you guys are crazy but then again you probably think that about me.

Yeah, well! Sleeping on a poncho caked in mud or dust and eating cold rations in the rain while not being able to plug my razor in - that's not my idea of fun.

I like to bring my bunk around with me and have a nice warm meal at least once a day, then enjoying the pleasures of having electricity available.

P.S. re: Electricity: What is wrong with you ground pounders that you don't even make it available in the washrooms of your shacks on Army bases?