Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Good2Golf]

Whole-of-government was a strategy used in international missions to synchronize all departments towards one goal; it could be used in the current crisis of personnel in the CAF.

Not Happy Guy’s but Maisonneuve’s quote.

This is one of the most naive and practically inaccurate things I’ve heard come out of a previously senior official of some past capacity…

 

[dapaterson]

I am frequently amused by former senior officers who never did anything to analyze or fix problems while serving suddenly thinking they have all the answers post release.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I am frequently amused by former senior officers who never did anything to analyze or fix problems while serving suddenly thinking they have all the answers post release.

We hoe the same row.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I am frequently amused by former senior officers who never did anything to analyze or fix problems while serving suddenly thinking they have all the answers post release.

But it makes for some great headlines

‘Disturbing and reckless': Retired brass spread election lie in attack on Biden, Democrats​

The open letter from 124 retired officers alarmed current and former military members concerned about the politicization of the military.

'Disturbing and reckless': Retired brass spread election lie in attack on Biden, Democrats

The open letter from 124 retired officers alarmed current and former military members concerned about the politicization of the military.

www.politico.com

 

[FJAG]

I am frequently amused by former senior officers who never did anything to analyze or fix problems while serving suddenly thinking they have all the answers post release.

My interviews for WAFGs has me quite surprised by how many of our senior leaders were stymied in their reforms by not being able to get buy-in/consensus from their peers and even subordinates.

Maybe we just have too many committees?

 

[dapaterson]

My interviews for WAFGs has me quite surprised by how many of our senior leaders were stymied in their reforms by not being able to get buy-in/consensus from their peers and even subordinates.

Maybe we just have too many committees?

Insufficient tenure in senior roles also contributes.

 

[GK .Dundas]

My interviews for WAFGs has me quite surprised by how many of our senior leaders were stymied in their reforms by not being able to get buy-in/consensus from their peers and even subordinates.

Maybe we just have too many committees?

Perhaps we should form a committee to study the matter?

 

[YZT580]

Insufficient tenure in senior roles also contributes.

a good working committee consists of one senior, jaded, warped but competent veteran, one young, right up to snuff, keen rookie (less than 5 years) and one middle grade operations officer with a sincere interest in that particular area; namely someone who has sent several well thought out suggestions, ideas or concepts up the line when the opportunity presents itself. Majority rules

 

[Kirkhill]

But it makes for some great headlines

‘Disturbing and reckless': Retired brass spread election lie in attack on Biden, Democrats​

The open letter from 124 retired officers alarmed current and former military members concerned about the politicization of the military.

'Disturbing and reckless': Retired brass spread election lie in attack on Biden, Democrats

The open letter from 124 retired officers alarmed current and former military members concerned about the politicization of the military.

www.politico.com

Pots and Kettles

50 former intelligence officials warn NY Post story sounds like Russian disinformation

More than 50 former intelligence officials said emails alleged to have been found on a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden show signs of a Russian disinformation operation.Several of the signers …

thehill.com

 

[Kirkhill]

My interviews for WAFGs has me quite surprised by how many of our senior leaders were stymied in their reforms by not being able to get buy-in/consensus from their peers and even subordinates.

Maybe we just have too many committees?

Buy In? From subordinates?

What type of army are they running?

 

[Underway]

But it makes for some great headlines

‘Disturbing and reckless': Retired brass spread election lie in attack on Biden, Democrats​

The open letter from 124 retired officers alarmed current and former military members concerned about the politicization of the military.

'Disturbing and reckless': Retired brass spread election lie in attack on Biden, Democrats

The open letter from 124 retired officers alarmed current and former military members concerned about the politicization of the military.

www.politico.com

The US system expects Generals to be involved with politics. They have been since the first president FFS. Why is this a shock to them?

 

[Kirkhill]

The US system expects Generals to be involved with politics. They have been since the first president FFS. Why is this a shock to them?

A pre-requisite for public office is military service...

Generals as Presidents?

Washington
Eisenhower
Grant
Jackson
Harrison
Hayes
Garfield
Pierce
Arthur
Johnson
Harrison

If we include Brigadiers.

List of presidents of the United States by military rank - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The list of Presidents with no military background is shorter - than the list of those with military service ,

Adams
Quincy Adams
Van Buren
Cleveland
Wilson
Harding
Coolidge
Hoover
FDR (he had a good excuse)
Clinton
Obama
Trump
Biden

 

[FJAG]

Buy In? From subordinates?

What type of army are they running?

One with several branches, each of which has a vested interest.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

A pre-requisite for public office is military service...

Generals as Presidents?

Washington
Eisenhower
Grant
Jackson
Harrison
Hayes
Garfield
Pierce
Arthur
Johnson
Harrison

If we include Brigadiers.

List of presidents of the United States by military rank - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The list of Presidents with no military background is shorter - than the list of those with military service ,

Adams
Quincy Adams
Van Buren
Cleveland
Wilson
Harding
Coolidge
Hoover
FDR (he had a good excuse)
Clinton
Obama
Trump
Biden

And by comparison:

List of prime ministers of Canada by military service - Wikipedia

There are seven prime ministers of Canada with military service. Four prime ministers served with the sedentary militias or active militias of the Province of Canada, or the succeeding Canadian Confederation during the 19th century. Two served with the Canadian Expeditionary Force (CEF) during First World War. The last prime minister to serve in the military was Pierre Trudeau, who joined the army's Canadian Officers' Training Corps during the Second World War.

 

[Furniture]

Perhaps we should form a committee to study the matter?

Only if we make a new two star the chair... The solution to all the CAF's problems is creating a new two star job.

 

[markppcli]

And by comparison:

List of prime ministers of Canada by military service - Wikipedia

“Sedentary Militia” is a apt description

 

[rmc_wannabe]

“Sedentary Militia” is a apt description

To be fair, that was the style at the time.

The two folks that had the best understanding of National Defence being important were the only two that served WWI. They most likely bore the brunt of sitting on our hands with defence capabilities, so they were less inclined to fuck it off.

Then there's Trudeau the Elder, who probably had someone speak rudely to him at COTC and held a grudge for 40 years....

 

[Maxman1]

I've heard Trudeau was dismissed from officer training.

 

[Furniture]

To be fair, that was the style at the time

 

[Kirkhill]

To be fair, that was the style at the time.

The two folks that had the best understanding of National Defence being important were the only two that served WWI. They most likely bore the brunt of sitting on our hands with defence capabilities, so they were less inclined to fuck it off.

Then there's Trudeau the Elder, who probably had someone speak rudely to him at COTC and held a grudge for 40 years....

https://military-justice.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/The-Militia-Act-1868.pdf

4. The Militia shall consist of all the male inhabitants of Canada, of the age of eighteen years and
upwards, and under sixty--not exempted or disqualified by law, and being British subjects by
birth or naturalization;

but Her Majesty may require all the male inhabitants of the Dominion, capable of bearing arms,
to serve in case of a Levée en Masse

6. The Militia shall be divided into Active and Reserve Militia:

Active.
The Active Militia shall consist of the Volunteer Militia, the Regular Militia, and the Marine Militia:


Volunteer.
The Volunteer Militia shall be composed of Corps raised by voluntary enlistment;

Regular.
The Regular Militia shall be composed of men who voluntarily enlist to serve in the same; or of men
balloted to serve; or of men who voluntarily enlist to serve with the balloted men and of men
balloted to serve;

Marine.
The Marine Militia shall be composed of seamen, sailors, and persons whose usual occupation is upon
any steam or sailing craft, navigating the waters of the Dominion;

Reserve.
The Reserve Militia shall consist of the whole of the men who are not serving in the Active
Militia of the time being.

Militia Act: 1855

www.lermuseum.org

Militia Act: 1855​

Due to the British involvement in the Crimean War, a substantial number of British troops were withdrawn from British North America. By the spring of 1855, only 1,887 British troops remained in Canada, and a further 1,397 were stationed in the colonies of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland. As a result, a commission was appointed to examine and recommend measures for the reorganization the Canadian militia.

The consequent Militia Act provided for an active militia force of approximately 5,000 men enlisted on a voluntary basis. The force would include 16 troops of cavalry, 7 field batteries, 5 companies of artillery, and 50 companies of riflemen. In addition, arms and ammunition were to be acquired sufficient to equip 100,000 men in the event that additional militia units were raised. Under the 1855 Militia Act, the volunteer system became a basic element of Canadian defence policy.

The militia staff was comprised of an adjutant-general and two deputy adjutants-general for Canada East and Canada West.

50 companies of rifles equals 5 battalions of the day, presumably each battalion backed by a company of artillery.

16 troops of cavalry and 7 field batteries - 2 troops backed by a field battery and a couple of spare troops?

Staff seems to have increased markedly while the recruiting pool has shrunk.

1856--Population of Assiniboia : 6,691.
(Census.--See summary tables in E-STAT 1.)

1857--Population of Newfoundland : 122,638.
(Census.--See summary tables in E-STAT 1 & 2 & 3.)

1860-61--Population of Upper Canada : 1,396,091.
(Census.--See summary tables in E-STAT 1.)

1860-61--Population of Lower Canada : 1,111,566.
(Census.--See summary tables in E-STAT 1.)

1861--Population of New Brunswick : 252,047.
(Census.--See summary tables in E-STAT 1 & 2 & 3.)

1861--Population of Nova Scotia : 330,857.
(Census.--See summary tables in E-STAT 1 & 2.)

1861--Population of Prince Edward Island : 80,857.
(Census.--See summary tables in E-STAT 1.)

1861--Population of Vancouver’s Island, through immigration, 3,024, of whom 2,350 are in Victoria and its vicinity.
(Governor Douglas’ Dispatch.)

As "Standing Force" of 5,000 from a population of about 3,500,000. - 50,000 in modern terms
A "Reserve Force" of 100,000 from the same population. - 1,000,000 in modern terms
With every man between 16 and 60 eligible for the draft.

The majority of the Militia may have been sedentary. But were the Permanent Active Militia permanently active?