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When the poor voted for the CPC it puzzled the members of the Poverty industry. Weirdly the Star seems to get it:

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/989087--goar-why-the-poor-cast-votes-for-conservatives?sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4dcb1f9ba9299fa0,0

Goar: Why the poor cast votes for Conservatives
Published On Wed May 11 2011

By Carol Goar Editorial Board

They aren’t ready to hear this yet, but the anti-poverty activists who work tirelessly to promote the interests of low-income Canadians need to ask why so many of them voted for Stephen Harper last week.

They won’t like the answers they get. They won’t understand how food bank users and social housing tenants could think the Prime Minister is on their side. They’ll be tempted to interrupt or object.

But their feelings are not the point. There is a serious gap in their knowledge.

Left unaddressed, it will trip them up in next fall’s provincial election campaign, the same way it did in this spring’s federal campaign and last autumn’s municipal race which propelled Rob Ford into the mayor’s chair.

It would be easy for the anti-poverty movement to argue that Harper’s victory was the result of vote-splitting, smear tactics and luck. He did benefit from the “orange wave” that began in Quebec and spilled over into Ontario, dividing the left-wing vote between the New Democrats and Liberals. The Conservatives did saturate the airwaves with attack ads, portraying Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff as an opportunistic outsider. And Harper was publicly endorsed by Toronto’s mayor, in a departure from tradition.

It would also be easy to stay the course, hoping the Conservatives will see the light. Despite the fact that Harper has announced his priorities — which don’t include poverty reduction — anti-poverty groups are busy writing articles and circulating studies that bolster their case.

But neither rationalization nor willful blindness will get them far in the next electoral showdown. Tim Hudak, who leads the ascendant Ontario Conservatives, uses the same playbook as Harper and Ford.

After being sidelined twice in the past eight months, anti-poverty campaigners need to figure out how right-wing cost-cutters connect with voters — especially low-income voters.

My soundings are limited, but a few themes keep popping up:

• People in low-income neighbourhoods are the biggest victims of the drug dealers and violent young offenders Harper is promising to lock up. They want relief from the violence they can’t escape. They want to rid their communities of the gangs that lure their children into gun-and-gang culture. Crime crackdowns make sense to them.

• What Canadians struggling to make ends meet want most is a job; not government benefits, not abstract poverty-reduction plans, certainly not charity. Harper tapped into that yearning, promising to stabilize the economy and create employment. The New Democrats, aiming to beat him at his own game, said they would cut small business taxes.

• It angers low-income voters to see secure middle-class bureaucrats getting pay hikes. Those trapped in entry-level service jobs seethe when public employees who earn far more than they ever will are rewarded simply for showing up. Those living on public assistance — employment insurance, welfare, old age security — dislike being treated with contempt by government officials. In both cases, cutting the public payroll has a lot of appeal.

• Canadians fighting to stay afloat often have little regard for the anti-poverty organizers, professors and social planners who profess to speak for them. They don’t appreciate being lumped together and labelled. They don’t want political advice.

• Like most people, low-income voters mistrust politicians of all stripes. They don’t believe their promises and they don’t pay much attention to their rhetoric. Many don’t cast ballots. Those who do, opt for politicians who speak in plain language about issues that matter to them.

Some of these signals are contradictory. Some are counterintuitive. But they point to an anti-poverty movement that is out of step with its presumed followers. Its leaders owe it to those they claim to serve to take a painfully honest look at themselves and their vision.

These are hard lessons. They will require openness and humility. But the alternative is increasing irrelevance.

Carol Goar’s column appears Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
 
Political philosophy in 3 min or less:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-buzVjYQvY&feature=player_embedded#at=65
 
An interesting conversion from Progressivism; the author's book is intended to bring other people into the Classical Liberal fold. Small side note. I once attended a seminar by the Institute for Liberal Studies being held at the University in Windsor. After a program break, the meeting resumed with about 20 new people in attendance. Most left at the next break, but I talked to the one who stayed. The group had thought the seminar was by the Liberal Party of Canada, most left after the session because we were tlking about property rights and other Classical Liberal ideas. He stayed, which in that unscientific sample was a 1:20 conversion rate. Much work indeed....:

http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2011/05/23/david-mamets-progress/

David Mamet’s Progress

Posted By Roger L Simon On May 23, 2011 @ 10:19 pm In Uncategorized | 3 Comments

The Secret Knowledge: On the Dismantling of American Culture [1]

By David Mamet

Published by Sentinel (June 2, 2011)

Reviewed by Roger L. Simon

With all the talk of Hollywood liberalism — the endless leftist blather from Sean Penn and Tim Robbins, the cozying up to Castro and Chavez by Oliver Stone and Danny Glover, the jejune Iranian peace-making by Annette Bening and Alfre Woodard, etc., etc — it’s fascinating that the two leading playwrights in the English language (the smart guys) — Tom Stoppard and David Mamet — identify as conservative/libertarians.

For Stoppard — born in Communist Czechoslovakia — this was natural, but for Mamet — a Chicago Jewish child of the sixties — it was a considerably longer slog. As he relates in his superb new book The Secret Knowledge: On the Dismantling of American Culture [1], “I had never knowingly talked with nor read the works of a Conservative before moving to Los Angeles, some eight years ago.”

Mamet certainly made up for lost time. Barely ten pages into his book, you know this man has read, and thoroughly digested, the major conservative works of our and recent times, from Friedrich Hayek to Milton Friedman and on to Thomas Sowell and Shelby Steele. And he is able to explicate and elaborate on them as well as anybody.

Not that the playwright’s political transformation is such a surprise. In 2008, he wrote an op-ed for The Village Voice (of all confrontational places), “Why I Am No Longer a ‘Brain-Dead’ Liberal.” [2] That article was somewhat more tentative than its title, which may have been added for dramatic effect by the newspaper’s editors.

Not so The Secret Knowledge. Mamet has come a ways in three years from a chrysalis bewildered and astonished by his new found views to an author writing in white heat. The new book is a full-throated intellectual attack on liberalism in almost all its aspects from someone who was there, a former leftwing intellectual of prominence, a Pulitzer Prize winner even (and one who deserved it, unlike the New York Times’ Walter Duranty [3]).

Mamet clearly has a polemical intention here with a very specific target. The book says to his former friends on the left, the ones who might pay attention anyway, I woke up — what about you? That makes it different from your normal run of conservative books that largely preach to the choir. Ann Coulter writes of the left to mock them. David Mamet’s intention is to convert them, a far more ambitious enterprise.

He does this in a deliberately Talmudic style with footnotes at the bottom of many pages that are often as interesting as the text itself. Sometimes the various chapters turn in on themselves, repeating themes with variations. But all of them seem to echo the famous words attributed to the great rabbi Hillel: “If not now, when?”

If not now, when, indeed. It remains to be seen to the degree Mamet will be successful, but his work could not appear at a more pivotal moment. Western civilization is approaching bankruptcy, literally and spiritually. The welfare state has been revealed to be a self-destructive farce with no long-term benefit to anyone but a small group of quasi-totalitarian elites. Spain, Greece and Portugal are on the brink of economic catastrophe. Other countries are sure to follow. The optimism of the “Arab Spring” barely lasted longer than Warhol’s fifteen minutes. Israel, the proverbial canary in the coal mine, stands surrounded as never before. And America, in Mark Steyn’s epochal phrase [4], is definitely alone… and sinking.

How did this all come to pass? There are many reasons, obviously. But David Mamet places much of the blame squarely on my generation and his:

    We were self-taught in the sixties to award ourselves merit for membership in a superior group–irrespective of our group’s accomplishments. We continue to do so, irrespective of accomplishments, individual or communal, having told each other we were special. We learned that all one need do is refrain from trusting anybody over thirty; that all people are alike, and to judge their behavior was “judgmental”; that property is theft. As we did not investigate these assertions or their implications, we could not act upon them and felt no need to do so. For we were the culmination of history, superior to all those misguided who had come before, which is to say all humanity.

The Secret Knowledge is a cry of “Basta!” Buy [1] this book. But, more importantly, buy another copy for your liberal friends, the ones you may still have. They may even read it. And then… who knows?

Article printed from Roger L. Simon: http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon

URL to article: http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2011/05/23/david-mamets-progress/

URLs in this post:

[1] The Secret Knowledge: On the Dismantling of American Culture: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1595230769/pajamasmedia-20

[2] “Why I Am No Longer a ‘Brain-Dead’ Liberal.”: http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-03-11/news/why-i-am-no-longer-a-brain-dead-liberal/

[3] the New York Times’ Walter Duranty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGOCGrhRhsE

[4] epochal phrase: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1596985275/pajamasmedia-20
 
A bit of a backwards view, but since the current Conservative government isn't very....conservative....there may be some merit to this avenue of attack. OTOH, I am afraid that Edward has Canadians pretty well pegged when he makes the split 25% TEA party movement candidates, 50% Status Quo and the other 25% not caring enough to get involved. Still, an internal takeover of party machinery might have some effect, look at the amount of coverage generated by the very small number of Christian evangelecals in the Conservative movement. Now if up to 40% of the CPC membership had alligence the TEA party principles..... >:D

http://washingtonexaminer.com/node/92486

Glenn Harlan Reynolds: Tea Party movement likely to have unglamorous but effective future

By: Glenn Harlan Reynolds 05/02/10 3:00 AM

On April 15, I covered the Cincinnati Tea Party rally for PJTV. It was quite a scene. There were more than 12,000 people in attendance, filling all but the nosebleed seats at the University of Cincinnati's basketball arena, and even though Sean Hannity was a last-minute no-show the crowd was fired up.

When speaker Sonja Schmidt dubbed Barack Obama a "one-term president," the crowd roared, and delivered a standing ovation. The Service Employees International Union and Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now were booed, and various Ohio candidates and officeholders who stand for smaller government were cheered. Signs were waved ("Will Work For LIberty") and T-shirts were sold.

But although that rally -- and the hundreds like it around the country that day -- was a scene of great excitement, that kind of excitement isn't the future of the Tea Party movement. The future, instead, is something much less glamorous, but much more important, than mass rallies and marches.

For an example of what that means, look to the Utah Tea Party's campaign against incumbent Republican Sen. Robert Bennett. Bennett is a Republican, true enough, but his support for bailouts and big government has made him unpopular with Tea Partiers in Utah. They're planning to teach him a lesson.

The Utah Tea Party movement was started after sports car builder David Kirkham saw blog reports of the very first protest marches against President Obama's bailouts, back in February of 2009. Kirkham figured he could do the same, quickly organized a rally at the Utah State Capitol, and helped build an organization that has held many similar events since. But what to do beyond rallies?

In deep-red Utah, electing Republicans wasn't a challenge. But, Kirkham concluded, electing small-government Republicans wasn't to be taken for granted. His group decided to target the nominating process for Bennett's seat, which in Utah involves a convention process.

Tea Party activists trained and ran for slots as convention delegates, and many were elected. The result: Things are looking bad for Bennett. A poll of convention delegates conducted this week by the Salt Lake Tribune found Bennett a distant third in the nomination race. It also found that 68 percent of the delegates -- more than two thirds -- identify themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement.

It's possible that some political miracle will save Bennett in the next couple of weeks -- never underestimate the wiliness of an incumbent whose job is on the line. But even if that happens, you can bet that he'll be a lot more aware of constituents' views on the importance of small government, and far less likely to take those constituents for granted in favor of Washington conventional wisdom.

The Utah effort isn't unique. In many states, Tea Partiers are taking over the local GOP apparatus, running for precinct chairman or other low-level offices, as they try to take over the party from the ground up.

The Cincinnati Tea Party folks are doing that in Ohio, discomfiting the entrenched Republican Party establishment to the point that it's actually spending money campaigning against them. Similar efforts are underway in Illinois, Georgia and elsewhere.

The first stage of Tea Party rallies was very important. The political apparatchiks and the Big Media folks built up -- quite deliberately -- a sense of inevitability around the Obama machine's agenda of big government dominance. It was unstoppable, and wildly popular, according to the conventional storyline.

The rallies proved that it wasn't as wildly popular as all that, and inspired many people who felt -- as the storyline was intended to make them feel -- powerless, outnumbered, and marginalized to realize that they were none of those things. That was a vital first step, the equivalent of the kid shouting that the emperor was naked.

But rallies without follow-through are just rallies. And the Tea Party movement is now following through with the grunt work of politics: Organizing precincts, waging primary battles, registering voters, and compiling mailing lists.

None of this stuff sounds exciting. It doesn't look exciting, either. At my blog, InstaPundit, people e-mail me pictures from organizing meetings. The pictures aren't visually interesting -- they generally show a lot of people sitting on folding chairs in a meeting room somewhere. But when I post them, I always get mail from readers who are excited to see this sort of thing going on.

And, really, why shouldn't they be excited? This is democracy in action. If we're not excited about that, what should we be excited about?



Examiner contributor Glenn Harlan Reynolds is a law professor at the University of Tennessee. He hosts "Instavision" on PJTV.com.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/node/92486#ixzz1NKI6VzXG
 
An interesting look at the difference between political "elites" and the rest of us. The different values and mind sets of people with nominally the same sets of political values is interesting:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/palin-paul-revere-and-republicanism/?print=1

Palin, Paul Revere, and Republicanism
Posted By Rick Richman On June 11, 2011 @ 12:00 am In Culture,History,Media,Politics,US News | 1 Comment

We all know a little more about Paul Revere than we did a week ago, thanks to Sarah  Palin – or more accurately, thanks to the avalanche of posts analyzing what she meant by her impromptu response [1] to an unrecorded question about Revere:

. . . he who warned the British that they weren’t gonna be taking away our arms, by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells, that we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free.

The reactions to Palin’s remark were more interesting than the remark itself. Buried within them is a connection between Palin and Revere, unrelated to his Midnight Ride, which bears on her coming decision about running for president.

The initial wave of comments about Palin’s remark treated her as simply stupid — everyone knows Revere warned his own countrymen, not the British. Our basic knowledge on the subject comes from Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. We don’t remember much of his 986-word poem [2], but we remember whom Revere was warning.

A day or two later, we learned that Palin had been basically right. In his lengthy 1798 letter [3] recounting his ride, Revere described his harrowing detention by British officers after midnight and how he frightened them by warning he had alarmed the country all along his ride and there would be 500 armed Americans waiting for them. That part of Revere’s ride is not described in Longfellow’s poem.

Palin was also right about “taking away our arms.” Revere’s ride had resulted from discovering that British General Thomas Gage had received orders that all cannons, small arms, and other military items be “seized and secreted” and that “the persons of such have committed themselves in acts of treason and rebellion, should be arrested and imprisoned.” Revere was summoned to ride to Lexington to alert John Hancock and Samuel Adams. And there were shots and bells [4] as well.

The second wave of comments acknowledged that Palin’s remark was correct but asserted that truth was not a defense. Revere’s letter was supposedly “obscure” and something her supporters had “dug up” to defend her. She had been only inadvertently right. In a widely-read post at Forbes.com, E.D. Kain noted [5] Revere’s letter but asserted you don’t “babble incoherently about warning the British” (he was referring to Palin, not Revere’s letter): “If you answer a question about Paul Revere . . . you recite Longfellow.” In going beyond the words taught to schoolchildren, Palin had gone rogue.

The third wave of comments took the position that the problem was not Palin’s accuracy, but her “incoherence.” Some prominent bloggers on the right took this line, concluding that Palin’s inelegantly expressed remark was further evidence of her “chronic problem” — an alleged inability to speak clearly even when making valid points. Some expressed the hope that this trait, allegedly evidenced by the latest kerfuffle, would end her presidential prospects.

The tri-part reaction to Palin’s remark — (1) she’s stupid; (2) she was only unknowingly right; (3) she was right, but she can’t speak good English — was an elite response. It was the reaction of a class that prizes, above all else, educational credentials and the ability to speak well.

Ironically, that is part of our current predicament. The sitting president is someone elected without experience or accomplishments, largely because he was well-educated, spoke well, and wrote a book. Some Republicans and conservatives thought [6] Obama was potentially a great president while lacking even the qualifications of the vice-presidential candidate on the opposing ticket — a sitting governor with an impressive record of achievement.

As Joshua Green chronicles [7] in this month’s Atlantic, Palin was a “transformative governor” — repeatedly challenging her own party on ethics violations, reaching out to Democrats, confronting the oil companies that controlled Alaska, vastly improving her state’s fiscal condition. But the very day Palin was selected by John McCain, David Frum described [8] her as an “untested small-town mayor.” Michael Medved asserted [9] that “by any standard” she was “less prepared as commander in chief than Obama” (without specifying the “standards” for comparing her to an untested first-term senator). A few days later, George Will called [10] her “a person of negligible experience.” David Brooks later labeled [11] her a “cancer” to the Republican Party (he evaluated Obama by applying a sartorial standard to his pants).

There was something about Sarah Palin that set her off from the elite from day one, preventing her from joining the club. And this takes us back to Paul Revere.

Jayne E. Triber’s acclaimed 2001 biography of Paul Revere, A True Republican [12], portrays him as a working man whose artisan status excluded him from the council of the elite in the Revolution and the political leadership thereafter, but who played a critical role for reasons unrelated to his Midnight Ride. In the words of one review [13]:

Triber’s well-substantiated thesis is that Paul Revere was an excellent representative of an eighteenth-century artisan/mechanic culture, which sought, not entirely successfully, to bridge the gap between artisans and the social and political elite. . . . [A]s a leader of an emerging working class, Revere, “a true republican,” should be considered along with his more famous elite colleagues as one of the creators of the American republic.

Another review [14] noted that Revere’s republicanism was evidenced in his relationships with his family, his socioeconomic status, occupation, and associations, and that:

Revere was more than the romantic figure created by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, more than an ambitious goldsmith caught up in the crucible of Revolution; rather, his ambition for “prosperity [and] social distinction led to Republican ideals of liberty and equality based on merit.”

More than two centuries after the Boston Tea Party (which, as we all know, occurred in 1773), another “tea party” revolution came to America, led not by the Republican elite, but by private citizens such as Sarah Palin, who had resigned her governorship and was having an extraordinary influence on the national political debate from her Facebook page. She drove the national conversation with phrases such as “death panels [15]” and “hopey-changey stuff [16],” which drove the elite crazy but communicated the key issues in a compelling fashion. During the 2010 election, she was instrumental in forging the connection between the “tea party” and the Republicans that created a political earthquake (also known as a “shellacking”).

This does not necessarily mean she should run for president, any more than Paul Revere should have. Revere never held elective office. After the Revolution, he championed the ideas of republicanism — particularly the necessity of virtue in public life — and gave critical support to the battle to ratify the Constitution. Sarah Palin may likewise be more effective as the voice of those who — with good reason — do not trust the political elite. She reflects Angelo Codevilla’s cogent observation [17] that “a revolution designed at party headquarters would be antithetical to the country class’s diversity as well as to the American Founders’ legacy.”

She may be better as a Paul Revere than a president. But we should acknowledge that as a candidate, she would not likely say anything as dumb as  her prior problems were caused by working too hard for her country; nor say anything as incoherent as her health care legislation was great for her state but would be terrible for the nation. If she decides not to run, she will not likely schedule a live TV announcement to say anything as ludicrous as all the external signs said she would win but God told her to keep her TV show.

She speaks with an honesty and directness still found in the “artisan class” to this day, often missing from the eloquence of the elite, which is why — more than three years after the elite denigrated her as an unprepared small-town mayor of negligible experience — she is still a major political force.

Article printed from Pajamas Media: http://pajamasmedia.com

URL to article: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/palin-paul-revere-and-republicanism/

URLs in this post:

[1] response: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS4C7bvHv2w
[2] 986-word poem: http://poetry.eserver.org/paul-revere.html
[3] 1798 letter: http://www.masshist.org/database/img-viewer.php?item_id=99&img_step=1&tpc=&pid=&mode=transcript&tpc=&pid=#page1
[4] shots and bells: http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/06/suffolk-univ-history-prof-palin-right.html
[5] noted: http://blogs.forbes.com/erikkain/2011/06/04/the-sad-defense-of-sarah-palins-botched-history/
[6] thought: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/the_second_coming_of_jimmy_car.html
[7] chronicles: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1969/12/the-tragedy-of-sarah-palin/8492/
[8] described: http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2VhOWE0N2VkOWI3MDdlODRlZWE4ODljMDc2NjliZDk=
[9] asserted: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/michaelmedved/2008/08/29/if_its_sarah_palin
[10] called: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090202441.html
[11] labeled: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/david-brooks-sarah-palin_n_133001.html
[12] A True Republican: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558492941?tag=commenmagazi-20
[13] review: http://www.umass.edu/umpress/spr_01/triber.html
[14] review: http://www.jstor.org/pss/366860
[15] death panels: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=113851103434
[16] hopey-changey stuff: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123462728
[17] cogent observation: http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print
 
Why on earth is anyone still defending Sarah Palin?!

The only people who should be wanting her to have any continued role in politics are comedians.

And the idae that people "conceded she was right" is rather ridiculous.  Her answer made it very, very clear that she had no idea what Paul Revere actually did and how it was connected to the Old North Church.  The great thing about her is that every question put to her is a "gotcha" question.

She's a pathetic sideshow, and I don't understand why anyone cares.

Thucydides said:
An interesting look at the difference between political "elites" and the rest of us. The different values and mind sets of people with nominally the same sets of political values is interesting:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/palin-paul-revere-and-republicanism/?print=1
 
Redeye said:
Why on earth is anyone still defending Sarah Palin?!

The only people who should be wanting her to have any continued role in politics are comedians.

And the idae that people "conceded she was right" is rather ridiculous.  Her answer made it very, very clear that she had no idea what Paul Revere actually did and how it was connected to the Old North Church.  The great thing about her is that every question put to her is a "gotcha" question.

She's a pathetic sideshow, and I don't understand why anyone cares.


Sadly, especially for US Republicans but, equally, for the substance of US politics, Palin matters. She is a celebrity and, like Oprah, she is much loved, even 'revered' in our celebrity obsessed, "gimme" culture.

The US Democrats, a fairly well disciplined mob, have people who are equally "pathetic" but they do a better job of sidelining them - a function in which they are aided by a media that is, broadly - but not deeply, anti-Republican.
 
I understand that you can contrast as often as you can compare - and it has been pointed out that some people don't accept this analogy - but I see Sarah Palin acting in the Aimee Semple Macpherson mode.  Love her or hate her she has a following and is consequently an influential person - Just like Oprah and just like Jack Layton.

And failure to communicate in rounded Oxbridge-Harvard vowels and clearly enunciated syllables should never be confused with a lack of intelligence.  Some of the most adept problem-solvers I have encountered never got past grade 8 and equally some of the most vacuous twits have been the overly proud bearers of MBAs.

Sarah will not be wished away any more than Rush Limbaugh or Barack Obama will.  She is part of the discourse.  Will she become President?  Hard to say but I would bet against it.  Would she make a good President?  Equally hard to say but I wouldn't bet against it.  There have been a whole lot of underperformers that have held that position over the years and she at least has put in some time learning and practising the craft.

I wonder if Andrew Jackson could get elected these days?

There's a life that would keep the tabloids profitable.

 
Governor Palin's political aspirations are not the point of the article, rather the response of the so called political and media elites.

It is interesting to note that Governor Palin is a more or less self made person, who does not have credentials from some Ivy League university. Paul Rervere was also a self made person by the standards of the 1700's, and was also kept at arms length from the centers of power and influence in the American revolution. Revere never achieved the sort of influence Governor Palin has today, but was indeed a powerful spokesman for the ideals of a meritocracy as the driving ideal of America after the revolution. It would be interesting to imagine how things might have turned out if people like PAul Revere had access to modern communications technologies...

As for her political aspirations, she has most of what is needed for success in American politics, name recognition, money, and a large band of followers spread across the United States. It is quite possible she may run, and it is equally possible she will be satisfied to remain a kingmaker like she did in the 2010 mid terms. If she is a king maker, she can probably trade that into a cabinet post and continue to build and refine her own organization for 2020. We will be hearing from Governor Palin for a long time to come.
 
Thucydides said:
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... We will be hearing from Governor Palin for a long time to come.


That is almost certainly true, but she's not, in my opinion, the person from whom American needs to hear. Who is that person? Who is the (Republican) politician who will say, "we need to cut spending and raise taxes - a national carbon tax - and the cuts to spending need to include big, Big, BIG cuts to entitlements and to defence spending, too." I don't know, but when (s)he shows up and speaks up I bet Americans will vote for him/her.

 
Agree Thucydides. How quick one here is to jump on the same bandwagon. He doesn't get it.

This link is for you Redeye. I am sure you will be able dig something here to validate your views: MSNBC’s searchable database of the emails can be found at http://palinemail.msnbc.msn.com

What a waste of time and money.

ANCHORAGE, Alaska, June 11 (Reuters) - More than 24,000 pages of former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin’s emails show her getting to grips with mundane state issues, feuding with the media and dealing with her sudden rise to national prominence, but do not appear to contain any damaging material.

The six cartons of documents include emails from Palin’s official account as well as two private Yahoo accounts — chiefly gov.sarah_zyahoo.com — which she used to conduct state business, a practice that critics said circumvented Alaska’s open-records law.

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Palin+emails+offer+inside+glimpse+revelations/4932013/story.html#ixzz1OzmfBMk2



 
Rifleman62 said:
Agree Thucydides. How quick one here is to jump on the same bandwagon. He doesn't get it.

This link is for you Redeye. I am sure you will be able dig something here to validate your views: MSNBC’s searchable database of the emails can be found at http://palinemail.msnbc.msn.com

What a waste of time and money.

ANCHORAGE, Alaska, June 11 (Reuters) - More than 24,000 pages of former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin’s emails show her getting to grips with mundane state issues, feuding with the media and dealing with her sudden rise to national prominence, but do not appear to contain any damaging material.

The six cartons of documents include emails from Palin’s official account as well as two private Yahoo accounts — chiefly gov.sarah_zyahoo.com — which she used to conduct state business, a practice that critics said circumvented Alaska’s open-records law.

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Palin+emails+offer+inside+glimpse+revelations/4932013/story.html#ixzz1OzmfBMk2

Couldn't care less about her emails - or about her at all.  The fact that she's seen as at all relevant is a pretty good illustration of why conservativism must be marginalized as much as possible.  The promotion of a woman who couldn't even do the job she was elected to do, whose constant gaffes should be an embarrassment to any cause with which she'd seek to affiliate herself, is a sign of how devoid of actual ideas the GOP in general is.  Without their highly effective propaganda machine (Faux News) they'd already be irrelevant.  Alas...
 
From a friend in Texas:

The ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER

OLD VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house, and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper  thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the ant is warm  and well fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

MORAL OF THE OLD STORY: Be responsible for yourself!

MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long, building his house,and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving.

CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.

America is stunned by the sharp contrast.

How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'

ACORN stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, We Shall Overcome.

Then Rev. Jeremiah Wright has the group kneel down to pray for the grasshopper's sake.

President Obama condemns the ant and blames  President Bush, President Reagan, Christopher Columbus, and the Pope  for the grasshopper's plight.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid  exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of  the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to  pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government  Green Czar and given  to the grasshopper.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is  in, which, as you recall, just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn't  maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow, never to be seen again.

The grasshopper  is found  dead in a drug related incident, and the house, now abandoned, is taken over  by a gang of spiders who terrorize and ramshackle the once prosperous and peaceful, neighborhood.

The entire Nation collapses bringing the rest of the free world with it.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2012.

I've sent this to you because I believe that you are an ant!

You may wish to pass this on to other ants, but don't bother sending it on to any grasshoppers because they wouldn't understand it, anyway.

 
Redeye said:
Couldn't care less about her emails - or about her at all.  The fact that she's seen as at all relevant is a pretty good illustration of why conservativism must be marginalized as much as possible.  The promotion of a woman who couldn't even do the job she was elected to do, whose constant gaffes should be an embarrassment to any cause with which she'd seek to affiliate herself, is a sign of how devoid of actual ideas the GOP in general is.  Without their highly effective propaganda machine (Faux News) they'd already be irrelevant.  Alas...


Palin has nothing to do with principled conservatism, nor are Obama and his gang representative of principled liberalism. Palina, Limbaugh et al and Obama, Pelozi, Reid, etc are representatives of the telegenic, unprincipled, marketable, packaged commodities that front for the extremes in America's culture wars.

There's nothing wrong with conservatism or liberalism, per se, just with the extremes to which both have been dragged by e.g. William F Buckley and Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. - proving yet again that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
 
Redeye said:
conservativism must be marginalized as much as possible

Palin aside, though I hear she can shoot moose better than I can, would you care to explain the quote above which seems to call for the silencing of at least 40% of the folks who bothered to vote in Canada's last election?
 
cavalryman said:
Palin aside, though I hear she can shoot moose better than I can, would you care to explain the quote above which seems to call for the silencing of at least 40% of the folks who bothered to vote in Canada's last election?

Do you actually believe that's what I was saying?  No.  I just hope the ideas that modern conservatives, particularly those in the US, have come to grasp are exposed as the nonsense that they certainly appear to be and are outright rejected by the electorate.  Canada's conservatives, fortunately, aren't that bad.
 
Redeye, please do me a favor. Use another word besides
, especially at the beginning of your reply to a post that does not fit into your ideology.

If I read that word one more time in one of your posts I am going to puke.

I am sure I have traits others here can take shots at also.
 
Redeye said:
Do you actually believe that's what I was saying?  No.  I just hope the ideas that modern conservatives, particularly those in the US, have come to grasp are exposed as the nonsense that they certainly appear to be and are outright rejected by the electorate.  Canada's conservatives, fortunately, aren't that bad.


What you actually said was "conservativism must be marginalized as much as possible." That seems to be a pretty clear, simple, declarative phrase that doesn't appear to offer much wiggle room.

I personally, think Palin is a marginal political celebrity rather than being a serious contender for high national office but I also believe that her celebrity status means she can make a lot of political mischief whenever and why ever it suits.

Conservatism, despite John Stuart Mill's unkind views on it and conservatives, is a valued and legitimate political philosophy. Not, had you said "mindless illiberalism must be marginalized as much as possible" I would have applauded - but I suspect that's not what you meant because you appear to, simultaneously, oppose US Repulican and Canadian Conservative illiberals and support US Democrat and Canadian Green illiberals.
 
Rifleman62 said:
Redeye, please do me a favor. Use another word besides , especially at the beginning of your reply to a post that does not fit into your ideology.

If I read that word one more time in one of your posts I am going to puke.

I am sure I have traits others here can take shots at also.

With due respect, I don't care.  If something is nonsense, I'll call it what it is.  I'm not in the business of mincing words to appeal to other people.

I accept that my statement above was not worded to convey the intended meaning.

Further to Mr. Campbell's comment, the main source of my frustration with civil society and politics in general is that here is no decent centrist party.  I can't find anyone to support because the ideas of every option are abhorrent to me, quite a predicament.  I find mindless liberalism as distasteful as mindless conservatism, and with both dominating discourse it seems we are doomed to have no decent options.
 
Redeye said:
... {t}here is no decent centrist party.  I can't find anyone to support because the ideas of every option are abhorrent to me, quite a predicament.  I find mindless liberalism as distasteful as mindless conservatism, and with both dominating discourse it seems we are doomed to have no decent options.


Arguably and I think it is fair to say, Stephen Harper has moved the Conservative Party of Canada into the mushy middle. It is, de fact, a "centrist party," albeit with a strong "right" wing.

The Liberals were the same party from 1947 until 1967 - then they lurched, mindlessly, left - leaving the field open for Diefenbaker and Mulroney, neither of whom could manage to build a real, principled centre, centre right and right of centre political movement that could express itself within one political party.
 
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