Canadian Foreign Interference (General)

[brihard]

I like this podcast, but I stopped listening to this episode when it sounded like it was recorded before the release of the Hogue report. I hate reading/listening/watching about speculation about something after that thing happened. I would have been interested to hear what they thought about the report after it was released.

They’ll no doubt be covering that subsequently.

FEIW, I did listen to the whole thing, and the issues they’re taking about aren’t dependent on the contents of the Hogue Report to make sense or have value. There was nothing in the report that causes their discussion to be in any way off track. They’ll aren’t talking about the report; they’re talking about the larger underlying issue and identified systemic challenges, including legislative and institutional. Those aren’t new problems. If anything, listening to the rest of it will be a useful foundation for understanding subsequent coverage of the report’s findings.

 

[RangerRay]

They’ll no doubt be covering that subsequently.

FEIW, I did listen to the whole thing, and the issues they’re taking about aren’t dependent on the contents of the Hogue Report to make sense or have value. There was nothing in the report that causes their discussion to be in any way off track. They’ll aren’t talking about the report; they’re talking about the larger underlying issue and identified systemic challenges, including legislative and institutional. Those aren’t new problems. If anything, listening to the rest of it will be a useful foundation for understanding subsequent coverage of the report’s findings.

Thanks for that. Maybe I’ll give it listen again. I just hate listening to podcasts about an upcoming event after it’s happened though. Tends to come across a little stale.

 

[brihard]

Thanks for that. Maybe I’ll give it listen again. I just hate listening to podcasts about an upcoming event after it’s happened though. Tends to come across a little stale.

They mention it as upcoming but don’t really focus on it.

 

[RangerRay]

With Washington becoming more belligerent with us, expect Beijing to turn up the charm in Ottawa and all provincial capitals.

Exclusive: Ottawa Warned On PRC Blueprint Targeting MPs and Senators Decade Before NSICOP '24 Revelations

'There is now a ‘new strategy’ to invite as many city, provincial, and federal politicians as possible in the run-up to various elections' CSIS reports in 2014.

www.thebureau.news

 

[SeaKingTacco]

With Washington becoming more belligerent with us, expect Beijing to turn up the charm in Ottawa and all provincial capitals.

Exclusive: Ottawa Warned On PRC Blueprint Targeting MPs and Senators Decade Before NSICOP '24 Revelations

'There is now a ‘new strategy’ to invite as many city, provincial, and federal politicians as possible in the run-up to various elections' CSIS reports in 2014.

www.thebureau.news

Honest question:

Why does Beijing see Carney as better to their interests than Freeland?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

They’ll no doubt be covering that subsequently.

FEIW, I did listen to the whole thing, and the issues they’re taking about aren’t dependent on the contents of the Hogue Report to make sense or have value. There was nothing in the report that causes their discussion to be in any way off track. They’ll aren’t talking about the report; they’re talking about the larger underlying issue and identified systemic challenges, including legislative and institutional. Those aren’t new problems. If anything, listening to the rest of it will be a useful foundation for understanding subsequent coverage of the report’s findings.

Brihard,

In your opinion, is there a relatively simple legislative solution to the Intelligence to Evidence problem in a Canadian context?

 

[OldSolduer]

Honest question:

Why does Beijing see Carney as better to their interests than Freeland?

I think she is tainted with the Brush Of Trudeau.

Carney may be more pliable as well.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I think she is tainted with the Brush Of Trudeau.

Carney may be more pliable as well.

Then, does that not make Freeland the better Beijing candidate, or are the doing a favour for Moscow, who absolutely detests her?

 

[OldSolduer]

Then, does that not make Freeland the better Beijing candidate, or are the doing a favour for Moscow, who absolutely detests her?

I dunno. Just spitballing.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I dunno. Just spitballing.

Me too.

 

[brihard]

Brihard,

In your opinion, is there a relatively simple legislative solution to the Intelligence to Evidence problem in a Canadian context?

Oof. No. Definitely not a simple one.

I need to get back to this one- not able to give it the deserved focus right now. Let me get back to you. If I’m delayed I promise it’s not from lack of desire or interest.

 

[RangerRay]

Honest question:

Why does Beijing see Carney as better to their interests than Freeland?

I think she is quietly Beijing-sceptical. There were flashes of this like when she told Trudeau that if he didn’t fire Beijing’s puppet, McCallum, she was going to quit. Not a lot to hang my hat on. Maybe it’s just that Carney is far more friendly to Beijing than Freeland? I’m sure Beijing has its reasons we’re not privy to.

As for Russia, that animosity probably goes back to when she was an exchange student in Soviet Ukraine working as an activist for Ukrainian independence. She’s also been very public with her criticisms of Moscow and they have sanctioned her for those criticisms.

 

[OldSolduer]

I think she is quietly Beijing-sceptical. There were flashes of this like when she told Trudeau that if he didn’t fire Beijing’s puppet, McCallum, she was going to quit. Not a lot to hang my hat on. Maybe it’s just that Carney is far more friendly to Beijing than Freeland? I’m sure Beijing has its reasons we’re not privy to.

As for Russia, that animosity probably goes back to when she was an exchange student in Soviet Ukraine working as an activist for Ukrainian independence. She’s also been very public with her criticisms of Moscow and they have sanctioned her for those criticisms.

You may be onto it. And the Ukrainian - Russian conflicts didn't appear a few years ago - its been there for over a hundred years. My coworker of Ukrainian descent says he has relatives that went through the Holodomor.

 

[Kirkhill]

I think she is quietly Beijing-sceptical. There were flashes of this like when she told Trudeau that if he didn’t fire Beijing’s puppet, McCallum, she was going to quit. Not a lot to hang my hat on. Maybe it’s just that Carney is far more friendly to Beijing than Freeland? I’m sure Beijing has its reasons we’re not privy to.

As for Russia, that animosity probably goes back to when she was an exchange student in Soviet Ukraine working as an activist for Ukrainian independence. She’s also been very public with her criticisms of Moscow and they have sanctioned her for those criticisms.

Davos is generally Beijing friendly. Happy to send carbon to Beijing to create products for the carbon-free West. Carney, like the WEF is in good odour in Davos.

 

[Good2Golf]

Carney is a frequent visitor to the inside halls of Beijing…literally.

Front row, sandwiched between China’s foreign minister and other close friends of Beijing.

 

[Remius]

Carney is a frequent visitor to the inside halls of Beijing…literally.

Front row, sandwiched between China’s foreign minister and other close friends of Beijing.
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That also has most of corporate America in that pic.

 

[FSTO]

That also has most of corporate America in that pic.

So they are all compromised!

 

[Good2Golf]

That also has most of corporate America in that pic.

Which makes Trump’s fear of China less than…ummm…informed?

Ya know…for being a ‘business man’…

 

[Kirkhill]

Goldman Sachs
JP Morgan Chase

Look for those in CVs.

 

[RangerRay]

Which makes Trump’s fear of China less than…ummm…informed?

Ya know…for being a ‘business man’…

On China, he talks out both sides of his mouth. One minute he’ll talk about how much of a threat Beijing is to America, the next he’s singing the praises of Chairman Xi. Then the next minute, he’s enacting a foreign policy that lends aid and comfort to Beijing’s objectives and pushes smaller countries that relied on USAID into Beijing’s arms.

He’s less obsequious to Beijing than he is to Moscow but he doesn’t seem to care about Beijing’s increasing influence in the world. It’s like he sees it as a feature, not a bug.