Canada's tanks

[suffolkowner]

Even Germany had problems with bogging down. The problem with farmlands that are loamy is that the low spots retain water more than the high spots - especially in the spring. For very practical reasons, tracked vehicles want to manoeuvre through the low grown so as to stay hull or turret down. Sometimes that bites you in the ass.

You can compensate to a point with track width - in fact the track ground pressure of the lighter Leo 1 (0.86 kg/cm2) isn't much different from that of the Leo 2 (0.89 kg/cm2) or the Challenger 2 (0.9 kg/cm2) but the M1A2 goes up to 1.09 kg/cm2. Its forerunner, the M60, was at 0.77 kg/cm2. Interestingly , T72, T80 and T90s come in at around 0.89, 0.92 and 0.94 kg/cm2 respectively. Not much difference there.

Training plays a big role here. The bridge issue, on the other hand, is a real limitation as it deals with raw weight rather than ground pressure.

why the Japanese came up with the type 10

Type 10 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"The predecessor of the Type 10, the Type 90, was deployed only in Hokkaido due to road and bridge weight limitations in mainland Japan. For this reason, weight was a priority in design, as the Type 10 needed to be capable of deploying anywhere in Japan. Size and weight reductions made the Type 10 six tonnes lighter than the Type 90. Approximately 84% of bridges in Japan can accommodate the Type 10, compared to only 65% for the Type 90, and ~40% for other NATO tanks.[16]"

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Training plays a big role here. The bridge issue, on the other hand, is a real limitation as it deals with raw weight rather than ground pressure.

If you have enough bridging you can temporarily beef up a bridge by placing bridging on it to spread out the weight and build piers underneath.

 

[Underway]

Even Germany had problems with bogging down. The problem with farmlands that are loamy is that the low spots retain water more than the high spots - especially in the spring. For very practical reasons, tracked vehicles want to manoeuvre through the low grown so as to stay hull or turret down. Sometimes that bites you in the ass.

You can compensate to a point with track width - in fact the track ground pressure of the lighter Leo 1 (0.86 kg/cm2) isn't much different from that of the Leo 2 (0.89 kg/cm2) or the Challenger 2 (0.9 kg/cm2) but the M1A2 goes up to 1.09 kg/cm2. Its forerunner, the M60, was at 0.77 kg/cm2. Interestingly , T72, T80 and T90s come in at around 0.89, 0.92 and 0.94 kg/cm2 respectively. Not much difference there.

Training plays a big role here. The bridge issue, on the other hand, is a real limitation as it deals with raw weight rather than ground pressure.

For these situations I give you the LOG!

Ren and Stimpy had it right "its big, its heavy its wood!".

 

[FJAG]

For these situations I give you the LOG!

Ren and Stimpy had it right "its big, its heavy its wood!".

Not being a Ren and Stimpy fan, I had to Google this. Couldn't get past the fact that I remember the original Slinky ads. Some things just stay with you.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Not being a Ren and Stimpy fan, I had to Google this. Couldn't get past the fact that I remember the original Slinky ads. Some things just stay with you.

A criminally under-appreciated cartoon series…

 

[SeaKingTacco]

A criminally under-appreciated cartoon series…

Sticking with the tank theme, google Ren & Stimpy “airborne tank paratroopers”. Almost a documentary of the RCD jump troop…

 

[MilEME09]

Hey look it's an "upgrade" program

Rheinmetall Reveals Its Plan to Boost the Leopard 2A4 MBT’s Capabilities with the KF51 Turret, What Is Happening with the Panther Tank | Defense Express

A new turret for the Leopard 2A4 and a lighter Lynx variant headlined Rheinmetall’s developments at the international defense exhibition in Poland

en.defence-ua.com

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If you have enough bridging you can temporarily beef up a bridge by placing bridging on it to spread out the weight and build piers underneath.

Or make sure you have a bridge layer that was designed for this.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Even Germany had problems with bogging down. The problem with farmlands that are loamy is that the low spots retain water more than the high spots - especially in the spring. For very practical reasons, tracked vehicles want to manoeuvre through the low grown so as to stay hull or turret down. Sometimes that bites you in the ass.

You can compensate to a point with track width - in fact the track ground pressure of the lighter Leo 1 (0.86 kg/cm2) isn't much different from that of the Leo 2 (0.89 kg/cm2) or the Challenger 2 (0.9 kg/cm2) but the M1A2 goes up to 1.09 kg/cm2. Its forerunner, the M60, was at 0.77 kg/cm2. Interestingly , T72, T80 and T90s come in at around 0.89, 0.92 and 0.94 kg/cm2 respectively. Not much difference there.

Training plays a big role here. The bridge issue, on the other hand, is a real limitation as it deals with raw weight rather than ground pressure.

A huge part of the problem is the rubber track pads everyone uses to keep the civies happy. We ran out of those on Centurion and switched to our war track. No rubber. Just steel. Very few bogged recovery issues while running those.

 

[KevinB]

A huge part of the problem is the rubber track pads everyone uses to keep the civies happy. We ran out of those on Centurion and switched to our war track. No rubber. Just steel. Very few bogged recovery issues while running those.

That is what the grousers are for…

Most of the new stuff (or last few decades stuff) you can mix grousers and pads so it doesn’t tear up the roads - but gives good traction in mud, sand, snow and ice etc as well

Some of the newest stuff with 100% rubber tracks can take clip ons for additional traction, I believe they are only really needed for ice, as the standard full rubber combat tracks apparently grip really well in most terrain other than ice.

 

[childs56]

If you have enough bridging you can temporarily beef up a bridge by placing bridging on it to spread out the weight and build piers underneath.

or bring your own bridge, lots of bridge companies here who could span most European rivers with ease using stuff in their lay down yards. put it on a boat and send it over.

 

[KevinB]

or bring your own bridge, lots of bridge companies here who span most European rivers with ease using stuff in their lay down yards. put it on a boat and send it over.

And they have armored vehicles to emplace them?

 

[childs56]

And they have armored vehicles to emplace them?

they could add some armor to their dozers and hoes maybe their C500 bed trucks.

 

[markppcli]

they could add some armor to their dozers and hoes maybe their C500 bed trucks.

And can we order their staff to begin emplacing those bridges while being shot at?

 

[MilEME09]

I'm jealous of this VOR rate

https://twitter.com/x/status/1833126958240071735

 

[childs56]

And can we order their staff to begin emplacing those bridges while being shot at?

If you pay enough money they will.

 

[OldSolduer]

And they have armored vehicles to emplace them?

When you buy a fleet of tanks such as the Leopard or M1 or whatever brand you really need to order the recovery tanks, the AVLBs, the AEV and what ever else tanks need to get around the battlefield or off it. I know I am a kunuckledragger but.....

 

[Maxman1]

When you buy a fleet of tanks such as the Leopard or M1 or whatever brand you really need to order the recovery tanks, the AVLBs, the AEV and what ever else tanks need to get around the battlefield or off it. I know I am a kunuckledragger but.....

And heavy transport trucks to move them long distance.

 

[OldSolduer]

And heavy transport trucks to move them long distance.

Yes thanks for the reminder. Very necessary

 

[Edward Campbell]

A huge part of the problem is the rubber track pads everyone uses to keep the civies happy. We ran out of those on Centurion and switched to our war track. No rubber. Just steel. Very few bogged recovery issues while running those.

One of the reasons we used rubber track pads was to protect "our" road network, especially our logistical lines of communications road network, so that it would be ready for war. The West Germans, in the 1950s and '60s, still had more than enough construction/reconstruction projects on the go to use up pretty much all of the country's heavy construction capacity. We, NATO armies, were doing ourselves an important operational level favour by keeping the roads in half decent repair.