Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
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Fishbone Jones said:
He got in by playing on people's hope for something better. Aside from the cult of personality, I think a lot of people were genuinely optimistic that his 'sunny ways' pitch was going to be a real change. He hasn't done anything particularly out of the realm of the low bar we set for our politicians, but his problem is he got in on a virtue card.
You can do a lot of things, but dashing people's hope is not something you can recover from; that inspires straight up hate.
The only thing I could see that would get people back onside would be a large resignation/firing of the politicians/PS involved, Trudeau stepping down, and total shakeup of the way the PMO runs things. Can't see that happening, but personally I'd probably consider voting liberal if JWR were at the helm. I don't have any dedicated party support, but found her believable and was refreshing to see someone with integrity.
Trudeau might be changing his tune on the whole affair.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-raybould-philpott-snc-lavalin-1.5043763
One of the steps I stated he might need to do. Might not be enough but we'll see. Probably should have done that to begin with.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-raybould-philpott-snc-lavalin-1.5043763
One of the steps I stated he might need to do. Might not be enough but we'll see. Probably should have done that to begin with.
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Especially this bit from the CBC piece: "show some ownership over the actions of his staff and officials".Remius said:
We'll see - thanks for that link.
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Enter Butts and Wernick to accept all blame, the PM didn't know the scope to which they pressured, how dare they... the Deputy AG testifies it wasn't criminal but awfully inappropriate, a few people go under the forced resignation bus, but no criminal charges. Could this happen? Is this enough to change the channel in time?
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Remius said:
It's this quote that gives me trouble:
In effect the line seems to be that as leader he should take responsibility for what his staff did. Fair enough, BUT: its strikes me that what they did was at his direct order. This isn't taking ownership for their actions but fessing up the fact that he's the one behind the whole thing in the first place. I doubt that he'll do that considering how quickly Butts was thrown overboard. If anyone should go it's the Golden Boy himself but I doubt that he will because I think he's too arrogant to let go of his position. He should be joined by Wernick whose veneer of independence is forever stained.
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I was overseas when Trudeau got elected...I totally bet my Dad via a crappy connection that Trudeau would do two terms because our country was so shallow.
Now I may actually have to pay up... ;D
Now I may actually have to pay up... ;D
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As direct an order as can be proven, without cross examining the orderer...FJAG said:
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McKenna was in Windsor today. They're going full press on climate change trying to change the channel. Both her and freeland stated their support. "I have full confidence in the PM." Both the same, both given without qualification or question.
She was asked about Philpot and JWR. "Two strong women with a different perspective of what really happened."
Isnt that pretty well what trudeau said about the reporter in the Kokanee Groper case?
The more they try make it go away, the worse it gets.
Tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail might be too tame for the liberal party in Canadians views.
She was asked about Philpot and JWR. "Two strong women with a different perspective of what really happened."
Isnt that pretty well what trudeau said about the reporter in the Kokanee Groper case?
The more they try make it go away, the worse it gets.
Tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail might be too tame for the liberal party in Canadians views.
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Wow! Kinsella and Ledrew have a Sergeant sized hate on for team Trudeau. Meanwhile, I just watched Sheila Copps rip Dr. P and JWR, calling for their removal from the LPC, basically (without saying it) colored them as carpet baggers.Chris Pook said:
While the old saying hell hath no fury etc., I've been looking at the back grounds of DMs and Department heads and advisors to both of these former Ministers of the Crown. It seems they both have assembled quite the collage of seething, indignant feminists in their departments. For those thinking/wishing JWR for PM, be careful what you wish for.
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I think that it's somewhat telling given Mr Kinsella's political pedigree.
Warren Kinsella - Wikipedia
Of course, Sheila Copps has the opposing view that Ms Wilson-Raybould and Dr Philpott should be ejected from the LPC.
op: indeed
Warren Kinsella - Wikipedia
Of course, Sheila Copps has the opposing view that Ms Wilson-Raybould and Dr Philpott should be ejected from the LPC.
op: indeedFirst thing he is going to have to do is either stop lying or learn to lie effectively: he will probably take lessons on the later. His initial statement said that he had been talking to Philpott and while he regretted her departure he understood her loyalty to her friend. Now the headline says he knew nothing about it.Remius said:
That illustrates the greatest problem he is going to have in making a recovery. Once you have proven yourself an habitual liar it is hard maybe impossible to gain any credibility at all. I still give him one week.
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Credibility with who? The 5% of Canadians who give a crap about that versus what next can I get out of this dude before he's not PM anymore.
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