2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[dapaterson]

Government policy prioritizing large corporate farms over small farms has nothing to do with the political affiliation of th government and everything to do with large corporate interests having a better ability to influence government policies.

A quote from So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish

It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see...You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?No, said Ford, who by this time was a little more rat...

www.goodreads.com

 

[IKnowNothing]

Now, I have a question for you, @IKnowNothing , are you a business owner? Yes or no? If you say no, then I will ignore anymore "operating a sustainable business" comments from you.

I have no interest in doxxing myself or desire to get into a self aggrandizing dick measuring contest so I'll simply say yes - though the actual ownership side is a techincality and qualifies my opinion far less than my professional day to day.

On your comments about my business, I run an extremely low input farming operation.

Despite you effectively doxxing yourself on here I have refrained from directly commenting on your business, despite you insisting on trying to leverage your personal situation to gatekeep the conversation. That can change, if you think you can "hear it like it is" as well as you "tell it like it is"

 

[suffolkowner]

You are correct. The government can do many things to enable and let a high functioning growing economy prosper. Printing money that doesn't exist when we are in record levels of debt, doesn't help. Inflation sky high is not help or enabler at all.

i feel like the reason the BofC is lowering interests rates so quickly is because they do not feel inflation is a concern anymore. Not sure what the official rate is 2.5%?

 

[brihard]

i feel like the reason the BofC is lowering interests rates so quickly is because they do not feel inflation is a concern anymore. Not sure what the official rate is 2.5%?

BofC overnight rate is currently 3.25% I believe.

 

[suffolkowner]

BofC overnight rate is currently 3.25% I believe.

i meant the inflation rate

 

[IKnowNothing]

i feel like the reason the BofC is lowering interests rates so quickly is because they do not feel inflation is a concern anymore. Not sure what the official rate is 2.5%?

Ontario was 1.9 for November I believe

 

[brihard]

i meant the inflation rate

My bad.

Ontario was 1.9 for November I believe

Canada was 1.9% annualized inflation in November, yeah.

 

[suffolkowner]

People should make their points without personal insults.

i honestly dont get why anyone would be so excited at this time. If anyone was i would expect it to be diehard Liberals or Trudeau supporter considering what they are looking at

 

[PMedMoe]

i honestly dont get why anyone would be so excited at this time. If anyone was i would expect it to be diehard Liberals or Trudeau supporter considering what they are looking at

I meant personal insults to other users on the forum.

 

[IKnowNothing]

From Tony Abbot via the Post -
"This is where it’s especially important for an incoming Canadian government to have the strong and explicit mandate for change that only detailed policy proposals can generate.

Over the past two years, Pierre Poilievre has brilliantly mobilized and crystallized opposition to the Trudeau government with his political mantra: axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget, stop the crime. This clearly identifies some of the key problems an incoming government will tackle but is less clear about how that might be done. It’s never easy in opposition to get the balance right between saying too much and too little. But the more specific an opposition party that’s about to form a government can be, the more likely it will be to succeed, because when voters back a clear and specific plan, that signals to all the unelected Senators, bureaucrats and judges that the public wants the proposed changes."

Winner winner chicken dinner.


As and aside- I had a conversation with someone I trust over the break that assuaged some of my criticisms about PP's shortcomings and made me feel better about him leading a government- in short that he (PP) knows the attack dog persona and the slogans are campaign fodder, he knows he's going to have to govern differently, and he knows both that the actual solutions will be harder and more complex than his slogans, and that he's going to have to make some choices that will make a 2nd term hard to win.

 

[suffolkowner]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1874938680273715604

from the horses mouth

 

[IKnowNothing]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1874938680273715604

from the horses mouth

Strong interview IMO. Seems like between that and the Lilley piece he's shifting gears a bit- getting more long form, complex content out there, in a more reasonable tone. Next step is to bring that to an if not hostile, at least not openly friendly stage- hopefully Vassy Kapelos is on deck.

I like a lot of what he had to say about crime, I like how he did a deeper dive into the energy/economy/environment linkage. Like I alluded to above- axe the tax is the rallying cry, but the plan is deeper.

Housing worries me. GST cut is a good idea, following up on the Carrot HAF with a funding cut stick to keep municipalities moving on the things under their control can be good to. But his is the first time (that I've seen) he's equated cutting red tape with freeing up land, and justified it by referencing a report that misrepresents the actual cost of land with a hypothetical one. Combatting Nimbyism is one thing- hoping to cut the Gordian knot and solve the housing crisis by putting more of the best farmland in the world under suburbs is another.

 

[suffolkowner]

Strong interview IMO. Seems like between that and the Lilley piece he's shifting gears a bit- getting more long form, complex content out there, in a more reasonable tone. Next step is to bring that to an if not hostile, at least not openly friendly stage- hopefully Vassy Kapelos is on deck.

I like a lot of what he had to say about crime, I like how he did a deeper dive into the energy/economy/environment linkage. Like I alluded to above- axe the tax is the rallying cry, but the plan is deeper.

Housing worries me. GST cut is a good idea, following up on the Carrot HAF with a funding cut stick to keep municipalities moving on the things under their control can be good to. But his is the first time (that I've seen) he's equated cutting red tape with freeing up land, and justified it by referencing a report that misrepresents the actual cost of land with a hypothetical one. Combatting Nimbyism is one thing- hoping to cut the Gordian knot and solve the housing crisis by putting more of the best farmland in the world under suburbs is another.

the stick needs to be used on Premier Ford with respect to housing. Having said that builders/developers dont build unless they make money. In Ontario there are three bottlenecks

zoning/NIMBYism
development charges
developers not needing to build

 

[dapaterson]

Cutting GST is good politics but lousy policy.

 

[Quirky]

solve the housing crisis by putting more of the best farmland in the world under suburbs is another.

That's a localized GTA issue, primarily due to overpopulation/overimmigration, not lack of housing.

 

[Remius]

Cutting GST is good politics but lousy policy.

If anything increase the GST and reduce personal income tax a bit.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

If anything increase the GST and reduce personal income tax a bit.

I’d go for that.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Cutting GST is good politics but lousy policy.

Are you talking in general for specifically in reference to the proposed policy- for new build housing under a certain dollar threshold?

 

[dapaterson]

Are you talking in general for specifically in reference to the proposed policy- for new build housing under a certain dollar threshold?

Yes.

Tax code requires dramatic simplification. CPC have a tendency to want small tax credits that pander, but add complexity to the system.

Simple systems are more difficult to game, and easier to administer. Which has an additional bonus of needing less staff...

 

[The Bread Guy]

... hopefully Vassy Kapelos is on deck ...

His CTV Christmas/holiday season wrap-up interview was with one of the morning show hosts, not with VK, so we'll see how he does when his people find time to have him sit down with her.