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Who do you like for Liberal leader?

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Adam said:
I don't really care, as long as the new Liberal leader is is cut from the same cloth as the champions of the past.
He must be French (from Quebec)  and show the utmost dedication to there uniqueness.  He must continue there great compassion to those oppressed by the majority.  And treat everyone as fair and equal realizing some are more equal than others. :salute: :cdn:

I do take this as 'tongue in cheek', if not what have you been smoking Adam?

Cheers,

Wes
 
Stephan Dion, for his hard headed and realistic take on global politics........

http://www.civitatensis.ca/archives/2006/08/27/1454

Liberal Warm Fuzzies Will Protect North: Dion

According to Liberal leadership hopeful Stephane Dion, Canada needs to give the world more warm fuzzies about the northern environment in order to protect our sovereignty.

To Dion, if we create a boreal environmental paradise and we invite smart scientists and tourists to visit, as opposed to the simplistic Conservative alternative to buying “weapons,” people will like us (more), see that we are nice to the seals and the polar bears and will be more likely to have us look after the seals and the bears.

“The Conservative government simplistically thinks that by investing in weapons we’ll able to impose our sovereignty on a territory that is as huge, almost, as Europe. You will never have this capacity,” he said.

He said the way to make sovereignty known is to set up national parks and marine protection areas, and invite scientists from around the world to study the effects of climate change and to find solutions.

By doing so, “it will be recognized that we are taking care of the north, and many countries will then say it’s better for Canada to be the sovereign power in the North.”

I expected that the Liberal leadership race would generate interesting ideas, but Dion has surpassed expectations with this. If he keeps it up, he might be inducted into the Adscam-funded Comedy Museum in Montreal.

A wider application of Dion’s ideas to our foreign policy could save many lives. Canadians in Afghanistan should tell the Taliban about how nice we plan to be to the seals and the bears.

Heh
 
It looks like the Librano establishment's choice is Bob Rae.  Aside from his ties to Power Corp, Paul Desmarais and Moe Strong, but bit players like Maurizio Belavaqua (sp?) who are supposedly ideologically polar opposites of Rae, appear to have been given their marching orders to throw their support behind him.
 
And here is the competition:



Sunday, August 27, 2006
Welcome Elizabeth May

Elizabeth May - on-again, off-again Martinite - has taken control of the Green Party and its $1 million annual stipend. While accepting the leadership role, May took wild swipes at the Prime Minister and called to scrap the Softwood Deal and NAFTA. Layton-loopy, but feisty - in fact, May brings to the leadership exactly what Jack brought to the NDP: someone who can grab headlines, whatever it takes to turn a camera her way. The worrying thing, for Jack and Stephane Dion, is that May could lure David Orchard to settle in the most sympathetic organization he'll ever find. May + Orchard could equal seats.

This new voice for the Green Party does everyone in Canada a great service, but particularly for those anti-Harpermaniacs out there. Anti-Harpermaniacs love nuance and Elizabeth May introduces yet another subtle shade of Anti-Harper protest. Progressive Canada, you now have four expressions of protest:

1. If social housing and skills training are your biggest concern: Vote NDP.
2. If literal adherence to the Kyoto protocol regardless of any forsseable unproductive outcomes are your biggest concern: Vote Green.
3. If you have no serious objection to the current government except for your position outside of it: Vote Liberal.
4. If you object to the concept of Canada, Vote Bloc
.

I think its very important that anti-Harper Canadians be very specific in their votes so that they don't get blurred in a last minute flurry of Liberal votes. Is it the environment? Tell us with a Green vote. Is it social housing? Vote Yellow. If everybody runs off a votes Red, we'll fall into the same problem of everyone thinking they're own priority is what should go first - everybody loses in those scenarios.

Hopefully, Elizabeth May will be able to keep the froth going from this first jump into federal progressive politics; it suddenly sounds like a 500 channel universe.
 
I take a look at all the bozoes who are running for the party and find the one guy who isn`t is ths strongest & steaiest hand...... Take a bow Mr Bill Graham.
 
yeah, Graham is still a Liberal, but he seems to be the least confused of the lot...and has some passing familiarity with reality.  The rest just seem so totally out to lunch that it isn't even worth thinking about.  I guess it is inevitable...when you believe that anything can be negotiated, discussed, or reasoned out, provided  you just love people enough, and/or give them time to adjust, it's hard to articulate a clearly defined platform that will make people vote for *you* instead of someone else...

And this is from a 'hardly read the  news, but this is the only guy who stands out' point of view, FWIW...
 
And he did a fair to middlin' job as the Minister of National Defence AND at foreign affairs.
 
he's getting stabbed in the back every five minutes as Leader though.
 
cause he ain't runing for the big job & the backstabbers are.
 
I still think a target balloon is the best choice.

Or Elmo from Sesame Street.  ;D
 
MRM,
we're all entitled to an opinion but, in all honesty, your flippant remarks bring nothing new or of value to the discussion......

 
If I was a liberal, and had these choices, I would vote for Elmo also. As for flippant remarks, ahh...can't be serious all the time.
 
geo said:
MRM,
we're all entitled to an opinion but, in all honesty, your flippant remarks bring nothing new or of value to the discussion......

Just making a joke Geo...just a joke.

IIRC, there is a post a few above mine where you referred to them all as bozo's...

Honestly?  I don't think anything I have seen WRT the potential leaders of this group of clowns we refer to as the Liberal Party of Canada that is actually worth a serious comment.

 
Well, while I may refer to most of the leadership candidates as bozos (aka clowns) I do put forward a candidate that, to date, has not been considered..... unfortunately.

Elmo is not a member of the Cdn Liberal party (though he may have relatives) he will not run for office in this country.

CHIMO!
 
How many Liberal leadership candidates (or Liberals for that matter) are willing to sell their souls in order to team up with Buzz Hargrove and access the CAW's money and media clout?

http://www.bloggingtories.ca/brookstreet/index.php

CAW union boss Buzz Hargrove seems bent on waging an old-fashioned class war in this country and he’s looking to recruit the Liberal Party into his ranks.

That’s the upshot of a political manifesto the CAW unveiled at its recent convention called, “In the Eye of the Storm: The CAW and the Re-making of Canadian Politics.”

According to this document, the CAW’s leadership, ie Hargrove, think the NDP is a lost cause due to its “continuing rightward drift” and its “demonstrated willingness to sacrifice progressive priorities in the interests of short-run electoral positioning.”

So Hargrove is targeting the Liberals to be the new champions of his “progressive” agenda.

As it says in the CAW document: “It is important for all progressive movements that the next Liberal leader support more progressive positions on crucial issues.”

And it might be tempting for the Liberals to join up with Hargrove’s political movement.

After all, he can provide money, organizational muscle and media attention.

Yet, his support will also carry a steep price tag.

That’s because Hargrove really does want to re-make Canadian politics.

In fact, his manifesto spells it out: “We want a society in which working people can have true hope, security, and equality; a society with full economic and political democracy. To accomplish this, we need to be able to thoroughly regulate private business; manage employment, investment, and trade; expand public ownership and non-profit enterprise; and run the economy in the interests of working people. If we succeed, we will have fundamentally transformed our economy and society, replacing capitalism with socialism.”

Get that?

He wants to replace capitalism with socialism. Talk about retro-politics. Even socialists don’t talk like that anymore.

Is this radical leftist agenda really what the Liberals want hanging around their necks?

If so they better get used to the Opposition Benches.



 
Leave it to the NDP to cozy up to the CAW.... IMHO
 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealings provisions of the Copyright Act, is some good Liberal gossip from the Globe and Mail’s well plugged-in Ottawa rumour monger Jane Taber:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060830.wxliberals30/BNStory/National/home

Front-runners woo Liberal laggards
As the party's leadership race develops, Hall Findlay becomes a coveted prize

JANE TABER
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

OTTAWA — It's being called the "Martha factor."

Martha Hall Findlay is one of 10 candidates for the Liberal leadership, who many Liberals believe has absolutely no chance of winning.

But some leadership camps like that she represents a fresh face in a party that needs to renew itself and attract a bigger grassroots base. Also because she has not been a member of Parliament, she comes without baggage from the sponsorship spending scandal.

"She doesn't have a pile of delegates to swing over, but she does represent faith and hope in the future of the party," one senior Liberal said.

And so for these reasons, Ms. Hall Findlay is perceived by some leadership camps as a "good get."

She is not the only one.

Topping the list of good gets is Ken Dryden. The former Hall of Fame National Hockey League goalie and Paul Martin cabinet minister is considered by some camps as the best catch.

One senior Liberal said attracting Mr. Dryden's support is akin to receiving a "papal blessing."

He said that's because Mr. Dryden has a national profile, has little baggage in the party -- having just been elected in 2004 -- and is known for his credibility and integrity.

There is no indication that Ms. Hall Findlay and Mr. Dryden will quit the race any time soon, although the chatter among the leadership camps continues to be who will drop out before the vote in December in Montreal.

Still, Ms. Hall Findlay, for example, is being wooed.

Both Bob Rae and Stéphane Dion, who are considered to be among the front-runners, have been speaking to Ms. Hall Findlay, according to a senior source. However, the source said, it is not believed that the conversations are more than "how are you doing?"

She is popular among Michael Ignatieff's supporters, one Liberal strategist said, because of her progressive views. She has even shown up at an Ignatieff event.

"The reality is . . . here's a woman who doesn't give up. Because she's committed, she's gaining kudos," said the strategist, who said as well that others admire the Ontario lawyer's straightforward and earnest approach.

Former Ontario education minister Gerard Kennedy, who is also perceived to be in the so-called top tier of candidates, said the pace of the campaign and the contact are picking up as the race moves into the delegate-selection phase.

Delegates will be chosen at the end of September.

"Everybody's talking more directly now," Mr. Kennedy said. "You're going to see a whole different tone to this leadership now . . . because it's time for that."

However, he said he is not aware of anyone "conceding anything."

". . . Therefore, it's not about who does what when, necessarily, but it is certainly about getting to know people better and in some ways setting the terms for how that might happen," he said.

Mr. Kennedy added that it is far too early to be twisting the arms of other candidates.

Toronto MP Carolyn Bennett, who is considered to be a second-tier candidate, said none of the other contenders has tried to persuade her to drop out, neither has any explicitly asked for her support.

Veteran Vaughan, Ont., MP and former Chrétien cabinet minister Maurizio Bevilacqua was the first, and, so far the only, candidate to step aside.

He has thrown his support behind Mr. Rae.

Although many of Mr. Bevilacqua's key organizers and caucus supporters have gone to other leadership camps, the Bevilacqua decision provided the Rae team with momentum.

No leadership camp would sniff at that.

Again, it's not just about bringing delegates over. It's about what that person stands for as a Liberal and what they can bring to the brand.

And bringing Joe Volpe over, some Liberals believe, would hurt their brand. One Liberal called gaining his support the "kiss of death."

"Everybody wants Volpe's people but not his brand," another senior Liberal said. "You don't want them coming to your camp wearing a Volpe pin."

Mr. Volpe is viewed by some Liberals as being an old-style, backroom Liberal. His candidacy has been slightly tarnished for the controversy his campaign attracted over accepting donations from 12-year-old twins.

And there was more contention later when his national campaign manager, Jim Karygiannis, a Toronto-area MP known for his organizational savvy, especially among ethnic groups, resigned over Mr. Volpe's pro-Israel stand on the Middle East crisis.

It is believed that Mr. Karygiannis signed up a considerable number of new Liberal members for Mr. Volpe. But it is unclear now whether those members will continue to support Mr. Volpe's campaign.

With a report from Campbell Clark

Some time back I reported (http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/41980/post-369531.html#msg369531 ) my own rumour that the potential Liberal leader most feared by the Toresi and the NDP is Ken Dryden, precisely because he”… has little baggage in the party … and is known for his credibility and integrity.”  He is, also, if it’s possible, less telegenic than Stephen Harper and that, like Joe Volpe’s support, appears to be a kiss of death in today’s Liberal Party.

Based on what I read it looks like a two horse race: Ignatieff vs. Rae, even though the media (including Taber, in this article) appears to want to make it more exciting by giving Kennedy support which, according to the rumours I hear (filtered as they are  by amber liquids), he does not really have.  But: maybe he’s the guy Buzz Hargrove will love and cherish and, ultimately, screw.

 
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