US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence

[Fishbone Jones]

You mean the one where they were talking over each other? Usually the interviewer lets the interviewee answer the questions. Or, if they’re straying, wait until they finish, then push it back to what the interviewer’s original question was about.

Fox News and Bret Baier are still taking heat for the Kamala Harris interview - Poynter

Everyone knew she was stepping into unfriendly territory. But, especially compared to Fox News’ treatment of Donald Trump, it was downright hostile.

www.poynter.org

You mean like all the other interviewers that have had Trump in a similar position? Face it, people are just dumber for even listening to her in the first place. She has yet to mention a dollar value on any of her so called plans. She invoked Trump’s name something like 20 times in 23 minutes. She didn't answer a single question. You can't blame Fox because she's a fucking disaster. It wasn't Fox that shut the interview down to try save whatever dignity they thought she had left, it was her own handlers waving her off from the sidelines. Less than 25 minutes under the gun and she was losing her mind and getting snippy. Baier had no choice because he was just trying to get her to answer the questions, which she did exactly zero times.

 

[QV]

Harris is desperate and this interview did not help.

 

[Brad Sallows]

She has yet to mention a dollar value on any of her so called plans.

Short debates and interviews aren't useful fora for getting into many details other than broad intent and outline. "We'll raise taxes on X to pay for Y" is usually about as good as it gets; sometimes a well-prepared candidate can put numbers to it.

Baier had no choice because he was just trying to get her to answer the questions, which she did exactly zero times.

What's usually missing is a division into reasonable and unreasonable interjections-by-interviewers. Supporters inevitably complain none of it was merited; critics inevitably complain all of it was necessary. There has to be some amount of interviewer intervention which is acceptable; how much is it? Those who won't admit an amount greater than zero or be willing to lay down some qualitative thresholds ought be ignored.

Given how some politicians are learning to push back (eg. Poilievre, DeSantis, Vance), it's reasonable for interviewers to also push when interviewees try to avoid answering. Those people ought be supported by those who yearn for civil and useful exchanges of information; critics who whine about bullying ought be derisively dismissed.

Advice to interviewees can be generalized as "respect the interviewer", which includes showing up on time and meeting other agreed conditions, letting the interviewer control the interview, and not breaking off abruptly unless a time limit is breached or the interviewer says something grossly indecorous or impudent. Failure means the interviewee isn't up to the game.

 

[Halifax Tar]

What successes? She hasn't got any. You can't discuss what is non existent.

You absolutely can. It's called "Fiction", "Alternate History" and "Fantasy". All very popular discussion topics online.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Face it, people are just dumber for even listening to her in the first place.

I'm sort of infatuated with her. I like to think I've been blessed with the wisdom to realize what it means when I notice I'm the only one in step. But..

It's amazing watching and listening to her speak. I'm just awesticken that some people think she's smarter than a 3rd grader. She really makes Trudeau sound like a scholar. I can't believe she's just so dumb and some people lap it up.

Someone posted a clip here of her speaking like a normal human being for a minute or so, it's such an intriguing mystery.

 

[dimsum]

Marjorie Taylor Greene claims Dominion machines were "switching" votes

Conspiracy theorists have made false claims that Dominion Voting Systems machines "switched" votes in the 2020 election.

www.newsweek.com

I’m sure Dominion is prepping the lawsuit as we speak.

 

[brihard]

Marjorie Taylor Greene claims Dominion machines were "switching" votes

Conspiracy theorists have made false claims that Dominion Voting Systems machines "switched" votes in the 2020 election.

www.newsweek.com

I’m sure Dominion is prepping the lawsuit as we speak.

With the huge defamation settlement they got from Fox they shouldn’t have any trouble hiring good counsel to hold her accountable for defamation as well. She really is remarkably dumb.

 

[KevinB]

With the huge defamation settlement they got from Fox they shouldn’t have any trouble hiring good counsel to hold her accountable for defamation as well. She really is remarkably dumb.

To be fair I think that’s giving remarkably dumb people a bad name.

 

[dapaterson]

I did not have "Arnold Palmer was well hung" on my Election 2024 bingo card.

 

[dimsum]

I did not have "Arnold Palmer was well hung" on my Election 2024 bingo card.

I had to check whether that was from The Onion.

Trump kicks off a Pennsylvania rally by talking about Arnold Palmer's genitalia

His campaign suggested Donald Trump would begin previewing his campaign’s closing arguments in a final push to win over voters with Election Day barely two weeks off.

apnews.com

 

[brihard]

I did not have "Arnold Palmer was well hung" on my Election 2024 bingo card.

Well, I mean, he did have quite the swing.

 

[Pelorus]

For all the time and effort that MAGA puts into vilifying George Soros, they're oddly quiet about other foreign-born individuals spending vast sums of money to engage in trying to expand their influence:

Pro-Trump dark money network tied to Elon Musk behind fake pro-Harris campaign scheme - OpenSecrets News

An initiative called Progress 2028 that purports to be Kamala Harris’ liberal counter to the conservative Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025…

www.opensecrets.org

 

[brihard]

For all the time and effort that MAGA puts into vilifying George Soros, they're oddly quiet about other foreign-born individuals spending vast sums of money to engage in trying to expand their influence:

Pro-Trump dark money network tied to Elon Musk behind fake pro-Harris campaign scheme - OpenSecrets News

An initiative called Progress 2028 that purports to be Kamala Harris’ liberal counter to the conservative Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025…

www.opensecrets.org

I’ll be curious to hear if this is actually legal.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/elon-musk-promises-award-1-mln-each-day-signer-his-petition-2024-10-20/

 

[KevinB]

I’ll be curious to hear if this is actually legal.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/elon-musk-promises-award-1-mln-each-day-signer-his-petition-2024-10-20/

Based on what is reported:

The petition Musk is asking people to sign reads: "The First and Second Amendments guarantee freedom of speech and the right to bear arms. By signing below, I am pledging my support for the First and Second Amendments."
Attendees of Saturday's event had to sign the petition, which allows America PAC to garner contact details for more potential voters that it can work to get to the polls for Trump.

It would be legal, as it isn’t directly buying votes. But contact details, well speaking from experience once the Trump team gets them you can attempt to remove yourself but it has been well over 4 years and I still get MAGA spam and money requests regardless of how many times I remove myself from their rolls.

 

[brihard]

Based on what is reported:

The petition Musk is asking people to sign reads: "The First and Second Amendments guarantee freedom of speech and the right to bear arms. By signing below, I am pledging my support for the First and Second Amendments."
Attendees of Saturday's event had to sign the petition, which allows America PAC to garner contact details for more potential voters that it can work to get to the polls for Trump.

It would be legal, as it isn’t directly buying votes. But contact details, well speaking from experience once the Trump team gets them you can attempt to remove yourself but it has been well over 4 years and I still get MAGA spam and money requests regardless of how many times I remove myself from their rolls.

I'm not thinking the petition per se, but this is clearly flying very close to the sun WRT voter registrations, etc. I did read a short summary here; I cannot vouch for this but it's cause the question marks to be floating over my head. Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters #ELB

 

[Brad Sallows]

I'm not thinking the petition per se, but this is clearly flying very close to the sun WRT voter registrations, etc. I did read a short summary here; I cannot vouch for this but it's cause the question marks to be floating over my head. Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters #ELB

That'd be like saying he's paying them to get a driver's licence, if that were one of the criteria.

 

[Brad Sallows]

An interesting inversion has finally occurred. Trump is +1 in the RCP Top Battlegrounds average while Harris is +0.9 in the National Average.

 

[brihard]

That'd be like saying he's paying them to get a driver's licence, if that were one of the criteria.

I’m gonna wait and see if prosecutors end up having any concern.

 

[dimsum]

I'm not thinking the petition per se, but this is clearly flying very close to the sun WRT voter registrations, etc. I did read a short summary here; I cannot vouch for this but it's cause the question marks to be floating over my head. Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters #ELB

On one hand, I’m not completely sure how this in principle (getting people to register and vote) is different than Taylor Swift posting on her socials after backing Harris and having half a million people register.

On the other hand, I’m not sure how Musk can know that he’s giving money to actual registered voters who sign the petition. Do have to upload their voter registration paperwork to be eligible?

One funny side effect is that since he doesn’t tie this to a particular party, there’s technically nothing stopping a swath of Dem-aligned PA voters to sign a petition to get the money, and still vote for Harris.


Also, in “wtf” news:

Trump works the fry station and holds a drive-thru news conference at a Pennsylvania McDonald's

Donald Trump manned the fry station at a McDonald's in Pennsylvania before staging an impromptu news conference, answering questions from reporters through the drive-thru window.

apnews.com

Well, I guess I better start putting down every summer job I did in every single CV from now on. Also, I fully expect some spicy memes with Trump working the fryer.

 

[brihard]

On one hand, I’m not completely sure how this in principle (getting people to register and vote) is different than Taylor Swift posting on her socials after backing Harris and having half a million people register.

On the other hand, I’m not sure how Musk can know that he’s giving money to actual registered voters who sign the petition. Do have to upload their voter registration paperwork to be eligible?

One funny side effect is that since he doesn’t tie this to a particular party, there’s technically nothing stopping a swath of Dem-aligned PA voters to sign a petition to get the money, and still vote for Harris.


Also, in “wtf” news:

Trump works the fry station and holds a drive-thru news conference at a Pennsylvania McDonald's

Donald Trump manned the fry station at a McDonald's in Pennsylvania before staging an impromptu news conference, answering questions from reporters through the drive-thru window.

apnews.com

Well, I guess I better start putting down every summer job I did in every single CV from now on. Also, I fully expect some spicy memes with Trump working the fryer.

OK, but it's a step up from spacing out for 40 minutes, or talking at a campaign rally about Arnold Palmer's dick...