U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[Halifax Tar]

The US is eventually going to end up annexing Canada. If I had to guess how it happens.... we suffer some sort of National Unity Event which will more than likely be Québec succession. This then causes other simmering issues to rise to the surface with other successionist movements forming in Western Canada.

Québec becomes its own State, a Canadian Rump State remains with Western Canada probably lobbying to throw their hat in with the United States. The irony of this is that if Québec were to leave, the LPC would probably never govern what was left of Canada again as the Country would end up pivoting hard to the Right.

The question would be, what is to be done with Southern Ontario and Atlantic Canada?

I think you're absolutely correct. I think its inevitable. Wait until fresh water becomes a big deal.

S. Ont would fit in well with the surrounding existing US states. Atlantic Canada becomes an extension of New England.

I see NFLD as an outlier... Maybe return to Britain ?

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

I think you're absolutely correct. I think its inevitable. Wait until fresh water becomes a big deal.

S. Ont would fit in well with the surrounding existing US states. Atlantic Canada becomes an extension of New England.

I see NFLD as an outlier... Maybe return to Britain ?

Southern Ontario has the most to lose from a unity crisis. Almost all of its economic power is derived from it being a centre of commerce and trade for Canada. A Unity Crisis and Québec separation would do irreparable economic damage to Southern Ontario.

You would see large scale capital flight and more than likely, mass migration out of Southern Ontario to other parts of Canada or the United States.

The US would want the actual economically valuable parts of what was left of Canada after Québec separated i.e. Northern Ontario and Western Canada writ large. I could see it being a big economic boom for Western Canada as there would be a large injection of investment capital to develop and exploit the immense natural resources that exist.

The real funny comment l have been reading since Trump made his 51st State joke was, "the Americans wouldn't want us because we would screw up the electoral college by being overwhelmingly Democrat"....

All I can say is it's very presumptuous of Canadians to think they would be given Statehood status . More than likely, we become a series of American Dependent Territories with the opportunity to work towards Statehood.

 

[Quirky]

The real funny comment l have been reading since Trump made his 51st State joke was, "the Americans wouldn't want us because we would screw up the electoral college by being overwhelmingly Democrat"....

That's the problem with Canadians, they think they matter. We don't. Canadians have long held the misconception that we possess genuine autonomy, in reality, we do not. We function as a service provider catering to a single client whose satisfaction is paramount, at best. At worst, we resemble a vassal state. Regardless, we lack the ability to participate in US elections, even though it is evident that they hold true authority. Our national autonomy is dependent upon the American president's approval or indifference. One things for sure, Trump has all of Canada scrambling and trying to make him happy by focusing on his priorities and this nearly two months before he's sworn in all from a Tweet. Incredible work, the most efficient president ever.

 

[QV]

The real funny comment l have been reading since Trump made his 51st State joke was, "the Americans wouldn't want us because we would screw up the electoral college by being overwhelmingly Democrat"....

All I can say is it's very presumptuous of Canadians to think they would be given Statehood status . More than likely, we become a series of American Dependent Territories with the opportunity to work towards Statehood.

Puerto Rico of the north.

 

[Remius]

Puerto Rico of the north.

Exactly why it will never happen.

 

[Remius]

Perhaps... sometimes things happen we never saw coming.

Sure. But the US has a greater risk of fracturing before it ever annexes Canada as a territory.

Not even worried.

 

[Brad Sallows]

US conservatives aren't going to permit union with a country that would probably reliably vote 60-65% Democratic in presidential elections and yield approximately proportionate Senate and House seats.

Canada is too small to be a partner in a currency and economic union with the US. That works for small European countries because the larger countries are not of one mind. I couldn't imagine, say, the Belgians accepting a union with France alone. We already have pretty good trading and defence arrangements. What is to be gained by accepting effective vassal status dressed up as a nominal equal partnership?

 

[ArmyRick]

US conservatives aren't going to permit union with a country that would probably reliably vote 60-65% Democratic in presidential elections and yield approximately proportionate Senate and House seats.

Canada is too small to be a partner in a currency and economic union with the US. That works for small European countries because the larger countries are not of one mind. I couldn't imagine, say, the Belgians accepting a union with France alone. We already have pretty good trading and defence arrangements. What is to be gained by accepting effective vassal status dressed up as a nominal equal partnership?

I wonder if loss of sovereignty comes in a different form? Maybe the USA agrees to provide "stronger military presence" to help us defend ourselves since we presently seem unwilling, maybe they strengthen our borders a bit (or a lot more) and in return they claim (or we go along because we feel really compelled) our natural resources such as lumber, oil, minerals, water, etc.

So our sovereignty in that case would be in name only.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I wonder if loss of sovereignty comes in a different form? Maybe the USA agrees to provide "stronger military presence" to help us defend ourselves since we presently seem unwilling, maybe they strengthen our borders a bit (or a lot more) and in return they claim (or we go along because we feel really compelled) our natural resources such as lumber, oil, minerals, water, etc.

So our sovereignty in that case would be in name only.

Shut down the CAF. Become a protectorate/Vassal state of the USA and allow Canadians to serve in the US Armed Forces.

 

[ArmyRick]

Shut down the CAF. Become a protectorate/Vassal state of the USA and allow Canadians to serve in the US Armed Forces.

Its a real possibility because of frankly, Canadian complacency

 

[The Bread Guy]

Lots of intriguing discussion here on the U.S. potentially eating up Canada, so here's its own thread - will be pulling similar content from elsewhere shortly.

Army.ca Staff

 

[Jarnhamar]

Kinda excited at the prospect. Already have my hat picked out.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Even Bernie Sanders seems to like the idea, but with some caveats ....

‘All for it’: Bernie Sanders backs Trump’s talk of making Canada the 51st state, with a caveat

If Donald Trump wants to make Canada part of the U.S., as he jokingly suggested last week to Canada’s prime minister, he’ll have an ally on the Democratic left: Sen. Bernie Sanders.

www.washingtontimes.com

Bernie Sanders embraces Canada joining the US as the 51st state after Trump reportedly suggested the idea

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said on Tuesday that he is open to the idea of Canada becoming the 51st state after President-elect Donald Trump suggested that idea to the Canadian prime minister.

www.foxnews.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864055131525742733

 

[dimsum]

IYKYK

 

[dimsum]

Even Bernie Sanders seems to like the idea, but with some caveats ....

‘All for it’: Bernie Sanders backs Trump’s talk of making Canada the 51st state, with a caveat

If Donald Trump wants to make Canada part of the U.S., as he jokingly suggested last week to Canada’s prime minister, he’ll have an ally on the Democratic left: Sen. Bernie Sanders.

www.washingtontimes.com

Bernie Sanders embraces Canada joining the US as the 51st state after Trump reportedly suggested the idea

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said on Tuesday that he is open to the idea of Canada becoming the 51st state after President-elect Donald Trump suggested that idea to the Canadian prime minister.

www.foxnews.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864055131525742733

That is proof that in this day and age, the Reddit /s (sarcasm tag) should be an actual written thing.

 

[Edward Campbell]

There is an issue of "self sufficiency:" both & are rich in natural and Human Resources but neither is fully "self sufficient": but the continent, everything North of the US/mexican border is probably as close as anything - including China + Siberia - can ever hope to be.

On that basis a continental "union" makes strategic sense. If we extend his wall to include Canada then, I think, many, perhaps even most Americans and a good many Canadians, too, would support the idea.

 

[dimsum]

Shut down the CAF. Become a protectorate/Vassal state of the USA and allow Canadians to serve in the US Armed Forces.

I’ve worked long enough with the US military (several services) to know that I would not want to work in the US military.

 

[ArmyRick]

There is an issue of "self sufficiency:" both & are rich in natural and Human Resources but neither is fully "self sufficient": but the continent, everything North of the US/mexican border is probably as close as anything - including China + Siberia - can ever hope to be.

On that basis a continental "union" makes strategic sense. If we extend his wall to include Canada then, I think, many, perhaps even most Americans and a good many Canadians, too, would support the idea.

An economic version of NORAD?

 

[Edward Campbell]

An economic version of NORAD?

I think those who favour union see it as much more than that. I'm one of those who thinks it, with many warts and all, may be inevitable.

 

[ArmyRick]

I think those who favour union see it as much more than that. I'm one of those who thinks it, with many warts and all, may be inevitable.

Are we talking actual governing or an alliance that sticks very closely together but each nation maintains sovereignty?