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Kirkhill said:
web.archive.org

Finland’s president: ‘I just met Donald Trump. Russia is running out of time’

After meeting the US leader, Alexander Stubb is guardedly optimistic about Ukraine and the strength of the Atlantic alliance
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Maybe this has something to do with that? Going to have to see how Trump reacts.

www.newsweek.com

Russia "cannot accept" Trump's Ukraine peace plans

"We have not heard from Trump a signal to Kyiv to end the war."
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
Alt: https://archive.ph/dfobN

Finland is understandably also leaving the Ottawa treaty.

Alt: https://archive.ph/27tpo
 
HavokFour said:
Maybe this has something to do with that? Going to have to see how Trump reacts.

www.newsweek.com

Russia "cannot accept" Trump's Ukraine peace plans

"We have not heard from Trump a signal to Kyiv to end the war."
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
Alt: https://archive.ph/dfobN

Finland is understandably also leaving the Ottawa treaty.

Alt: https://archive.ph/27tpo
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And, from the article, this ....

When it comes to maximising pressure on Russia, Finland has consistently been hawkish, despite its long border with its neighbour. I wonder how Finland has the confidence to challenge Russia so robustly. So I ask Stubb how quickly his country could prepare in the event of advance notice of a Russian attack.

“We are prepared,” he replies simply. After “having access to all key information”, Stubb says: “I sleep my nights well, I’m not worried.”

So how quickly could Finland mobilise if necessary? “Put it this way,” he replies with an air of assurance. “In Finland we have obligatory military service for men, voluntary for women. We have 900,000 men and women who’ve done it, including myself in 1988-89 and my son last year.

“We have 280,000 men and women in reserves that we can mobilise within weeks. We have 62 F-18 fighter jets, we just bought 64 F-35s. We have long-range missiles – land, air and sea. We have the biggest artillery in Europe together with Poland. And we don’t have these things because we’re worried about Stockholm.”
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The biggest artillery park in Europe, comparable to the Poles.
Long range missiles launched from a variety of platforms.
And as many F18s as we have, being replace 1 for 1 by F35s. (Taking advantage of the ability of the F35 to do more by doing more, not by expecting efficiencies and reducing the fleet).

And 900,000 citizens of a population of 5.6 million, roughly the population of BC, trained and willing to fight with 280,000 available to slot into a fighting force.

5.6 million Finns vs 144 million Russians along a 1300 km frontier with an average depth (distance from border to sea) of 250 km.

41 MRLS - M270
35 MRL - 122mm

96 SPH - 155mm
74 SPH - 122mm

169 Towed Howitzers - 155mm
22 Towed Guns - 152mm
474 Towed Howitzers - 122mm

18 SPM - AMOS - 120mm
822 Mortars - 120mm
551 Mortars - 81mm
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....

3-10,000 NLAW
655 TOW Launchers
185 Spike MR/LR Launchers

...

65 fighters per 338,400 km2

Canada comparables

1950 fighters per 9,980,000 km2


Or

65 fighters per 5,600,000

vs

464 fighters per 40,000,000

....


  • 3,610 staff
  • 770 civilians
  • 18,400 conscripts
  • 18,400 reservists in refresher training
  • 760 deployed in crisis management
  • 180,000 wartime strength[


“I sleep my nights well, I’m not worried.”
 
daftandbarmy said:
I did alot of work in various mills over the years and was always endlessly impressed at how diligent and hard working the people there generally were.

They were almost always universally genuinely proud of the results they achieved too, and looking for ways to - literally - make things better.

To me, what they did looked boring. To them, it was a work of art...
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And yet somehow the framing lumber available at retail outlets (with a building code stamp on it), is absolute crap to work with and ridiculously expensive. Send the same BC logs down to Oregon and the milled product is much better. This drives me nuts about softwood lumber manufacturing and milling in Canada.
 
Cloud Cover said:
I don’t see where they have any choice. The halcyon days of forever peace and finishing off armed conflicts through the prospects of general war are long over. 🙁
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That is a bit surprising but seeing as who their friendly bear of a neighbor they have...

Have the peace activists snivelled about this yet?
 
Cloud Cover said:
And yet somehow the framing lumber available at retail outlets (with a building code stamp on it), is absolute crap to work with and ridiculously expensive. Send the same BC logs down to Oregon and the milled product is much better. This drives me nuts about softwood lumber manufacturing and milling in Canada.
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Maybe this is just an Irving thing but it was explained to me that all the good lumber is sold to the US and we get all the knotted, wet, twisted and bowed crap left over.
 
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Cloud Cover said:
No, but I would like to think that Finland won’t be reckless and indiscriminate in their use.
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I agree - not like you just toss them and forget about them.
I've had to explain to some that land mines aren't planted willy nilly. Minefields are strictly controlled and recorded, at least in NATO.
 
daftandbarmy said:
Hard to argue against this one...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906779503025586530
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Depends on what the standards are. This was a point with the FDNY fitness test being found to be entirely unrelated to the job, and the standards kept high. What the job actually required wasn’t being measured. When the test was rebuilt women were able to pass it - because they can carry hose up a ladder, and shah doors open just fine and it’s not related to doing push ups. It’s the grand daddy of stuff like the POPAT and frankly the fact that militaries are just catching up is astounding.

www.nytimes.com

24 WOMEN TAKE PHYSICAL TEST FOR FIRE DEPT. AND 16 PASS IT (Published 1982)

www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
OldSolduer said:
I agree - not like you just toss them and forget about them.
I've had to explain to some that land mines aren't planted willy nilly. Minefields are strictly controlled and recorded, at least in NATO.
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Right. But in a wartime scenario is it likely that hastily laid AP minefields are likely to be well recorded? Plus there’s AP mines dispersed as submunitions by artillery and air platforms. Good luck with those…
 
But what is Hegsworth referring to here? Entrance requirements or occupational fitness qualifications for continued employment?
 
Kirkhill said:
And, from the article, this ....



The biggest artillery park in Europe, comparable to the Poles.
Long range missiles launched from a variety of platforms.
And as many F18s as we have, being replace 1 for 1 by F35s. (Taking advantage of the ability of the F35 to do more by doing more, not by expecting efficiencies and reducing the fleet).

And 900,000 citizens of a population of 5.6 million, roughly the population of BC, trained and willing to fight with 280,000 available to slot into a fighting force.

5.6 million Finns vs 144 million Russians along a 1300 km frontier with an average depth (distance from border to sea) of 250 km.

41 MRLS - M270
35 MRL - 122mm

96 SPH - 155mm
74 SPH - 122mm

169 Towed Howitzers - 155mm
22 Towed Guns - 152mm
474 Towed Howitzers - 122mm

18 SPM - AMOS - 120mm


....

3-10,000 NLAW
655 TOW Launchers
185 Spike MR/LR Launchers

...

65 fighters per 338,400 km2

Canada comparables

1950 fighters per 9,980,000 km2


Or

65 fighters per 5,600,000

vs

464 fighters per 40,000,000

....



  • 3,610 staff
  • 770 civilians
  • 18,400 conscripts
  • 18,400 reservists in refresher training
  • 760 deployed in crisis management
  • 180,000 wartime strength[


“I sleep my nights well, I’m not worried.”
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They must make their own 122 mm ammo?
I'm a little surprised they still have all that left since the ukraine war
 
From top paragraph on page 2, it seems to be both with a higher standard (but sex neutral) for Combat Arms, SOF and other specialists. He does seem to be tying standards to the amount of physical effort related to occupational function and not just a test designed to exclude service members based on gender or other characteristic.
 
markppcli said:
Depends on what the standards are. This was a point with the FDNY fitness test being found to be entirely unrelated to the job, and the standards kept high. What the job actually required wasn’t being measured. When the test was rebuilt women were able to pass it - because they can carry hose up a ladder, and shah doors open just fine and it’s not related to doing push ups. It’s the grand daddy of stuff like the POPAT and frankly the fact that militaries are just catching up is astounding.

www.nytimes.com

24 WOMEN TAKE PHYSICAL TEST FOR FIRE DEPT. AND 16 PASS IT (Published 1982)

www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Precisely. The CAF has a single standard for testing to ensure individuals meet the minimum standards of U of A, based on a documented, defensible standards.
 
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