Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[dimsum]

Now that is just being dumb. Nobody expects travelling dignitaries to eat cold IMPs on a flight. And nobody thinks $1500 Beef Wellington is a reasonable expenditure of public money for a mid flight meal. I think we can get to a common sense answer here.

And that includes how many times the PM gets to take public expense paid personal travel for holidays.

Fair. My question still stands whether the next PM would cut it, considering he is likely afforded the same service.

 

[QV]

I would like to see only normal meals (i'd even settle for slightly more premium over normal) provided on these flights. I would also like to see limits that the PM can vacation with the air assets... 2 times a year max. Any PM that doesn't make easy cuts where they can be made loses incremental support from me.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Probably not, but that’s not the comparison I was making.

My comparison was the passengers (e.g. the PM), not the crew.

I get that. I have a very filty peasant (and naive) take on it - no one in our government deserves to be charging tax payers $1500 steak meals on a flight.

Trudeau, Simon, Poilievre, MPs. They're no more deserving than 437sqn cpl #16.

I would love to see the PM eat an IMP, sans heater bc not allowed on aircraft.

I'm a real ration princess. In almost 30 years I've never had a cold IMP. If I couldn't heat it I'd snack on something else or skip the meal.

 

[brihard]

I'm a real ration princess. In almost 30 years I've never had a cold IMP. If I couldn't heat it I'd snack on something else or skip the meal.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I get that. I have a very filty peasant (and naive) take on it - no one in our government deserves to be charging tax payers $1500 steak meals on a flight.

Trudeau, Simon, Poilievre, MPs. They're no more deserving than 437sqn cpl #16.

I'm a real ration princess. In almost 30 years I've never had a cold IMP. If I couldn't heat it I'd snack on something else or skip the meal.

Some places in the world, if you roll up without a feeding contract, are going to cost you a real premium for flight meals, regardless.

Either pay it or go hungry.

 

[suffolkowner]

Does the GG get any different meals than the PM or whoever is flying on 412 or 437 Sqn aircraft?

My point being that if Poilievre wants to cut costs, is he willing to cut his own meals as well?

PP hasnt exactly been conservative in his spending habits as leader of the official opposition and seems to like the accommodations well enough

 

[suffolkowner]

He was right inasmuch as there’s no direct mechanism for party members to simply say “enough”. By very sound convention, the GG will not dissolve parliament until loss of confidence in the House has been concretely demonstrated. That has not yet happened. On the contrary the government survived several recent confidence votes; Poillievre’s theatrics might have actually slightly weakened his own case in that respect.

Even if Liberal MPs want to buck the party leader on a confidence vote, they still need to wait for a confidence matter to be before the House. That will happen, but I don’t know how soon the opposition will have the opportunity to introduce one.

does a liberal member need to wait for an opposition day to announce a motion of non confidence?

 

[brihard]

does a liberal member need to wait for an opposition day to announce a motion of non confidence?

I’m not sure if government members are able to just throw their own thing out there, but I suspect not. This is well beyond my level of knowledge of Parliamentary procedure.

 

[suffolkowner]

I’m not sure if government members are able to just throw their own thing out there, but I suspect not. This is well beyond my level of knowledge of Parliamentary procedure.

it remains a peculiarly Canadian problem where the caucus seems unable to bend the leader to their will. To our detriment IMO.

 

[ArmyRick]

I’m not sure if government members are able to just throw their own thing out there, but I suspect not. This is well beyond my level of knowledge of Parliamentary procedure.

If a Liberal MP is not on cabinet appointment or something similar, they are NOT part of the government. I only learned this recently.

 

[brihard]

If a Liberal MP is not on cabinet appointment or something similar, they are NOT part of the government. I only learned this recently.

You’re right, I should have been more precise. Liberal party members not bringing forward a government bill.

 

[Kirkhill]

The GG is also within her rights to ignore the letter.

True. And anybody has the right to petition the King.

 

[OldSolduer]

Some places in the world, if you roll up without a feeding contract, are going to cost you a real premium for flight meals, regardless.

Either pay it or go hungry.

This above

We have to understand the real world. The real world will look on a nation that constantly underfunds its military as weak. Same goes for government travel. While the expenses are enormous to the common folk those same expenses are a cost of doing business in the real world.

I do prefer that the government "shop around" and make prudent financial decisions though. AND there should be zero alcohol on government flights.

 

[dimsum]

This above

We have to understand the real world. The real world will look on a nation that constantly underfunds its military as weak. Same goes for government travel. While the expenses are enormous to the common folk those same expenses are a cost of doing business in the real world.

I do prefer that the government "shop around" and make prudent financial decisions though.

The problem is that in most civilian airports, there is one food contractor. If you don’t use them, you’re not getting food. So “shopping around” isn’t really an option.

AND there should be zero alcohol on government flights.

I can get behind that.

 

[dimsum]

I get that. I have a very filty peasant (and naive) take on it - no one in our government deserves to be charging tax payers $1500 steak meals on a flight.

Trudeau, Simon, Poilievre, MPs. They're no more deserving than 437sqn cpl #16.

Beef Wellington, $230 flowers: More details on how Governor General spent $99K on catering

Newly-obtained invoices from aircraft catering and ground handling providers in Ottawa, the U.K. and the Middle East reveal the excursion actually cost taxpayers $9…

nationalpost.com

So it made me look up the actual article where the $1500 Beef Wellington was mentioned. It was for a flight of 30 pax (probably not including crew) on the CC-150. So…34-35 pers?

I don’t think the prices were per person, although the “Quantity” column is blank in the receipt in the article.

 

[mariomike]

AND there should be zero alcohol on government flights.

Peeing in the seats? Military eyes air force alcohol ban after troubled VIP trip

OTTAWA—“Party Bus” and “Mardi Gras at 35,000 feet” are a couple of the nicknames given to the military Airbus flights that fly entertainers, musicians and media stars overseas for morale-raising visits with deployed soldiers.

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19 Feb 2018

In the bad, old days alcohol could be served on certain flights (I was on a couple) but the main pax were very senior adults (not only Canadian) and it did not get out of hand. This story from the Toronto Star seems to indicate that common sense and discipline missed some more recent flights. Based on what I saw on other flights, I am gobsmacked, although I saw one passenger lose control, but he was handled politely and firmly and all soon was well.

This story is posted under the Fair Dealings provisions of the Copyright Act.

Military insiders– unhappy with the behaviour seen on VIP...

• Old Sweat

 

[Jarnhamar]

Beef Wellington, $230 flowers: More details on how Governor General spent $99K on catering

Newly-obtained invoices from aircraft catering and ground handling providers in Ottawa, the U.K. and the Middle East reveal the excursion actually cost taxpayers $9…

nationalpost.com

So it made me look up the actual article where the $1500 Beef Wellington was mentioned. It was for a flight of 30 pax (probably not including crew) on the CC-150. So…34-35 pers?

I don’t think the prices were per person, although the “Quantity” column is blank in the receipt in the article.

I'll see if I can dig up the source. I recall it being a $1500ish bill for the whole meal (I think the fancy potato's were $200 or something?) And there was a question on whether this meal was for Simon or her husband who had joined her.

$500+ for lemons and limes, and $500+ for ice seems like a good place to start being more responsible with tax dollars.

 

[YZT580]

This above

We have to understand the real world. The real world will look on a nation that constantly underfunds its military as weak. Same goes for government travel. While the expenses are enormous to the common folk those same expenses are a cost of doing business in the real world.

I do prefer that the government "shop around" and make prudent financial decisions though. AND there should be zero alcohol on government flights.

A business class or even a first class meal from any of the airline suppliers should be more than sufficient and I can almost guarantee that they don't cost 1500 a serving

 

[SeaKingTacco]

A business class or even a first class meal from any of the airline suppliers should be more than sufficient and I can almost guarantee that they don't cost 1500 a serving

I don’t know how many more ways that I can say this:

The RCAF does not get charged the same price for flight feeding as Lufthansa does in Frankfurt or Emirates does in Dubai. Using business class meals as a metric is a false one.

You either pay the price or you go hungry.

 

[brihard]

I don’t know how many more ways that I can say this:

The RCAF does not get charged the same price for flight feeding as Lufthansa does in Frankfurt or Emirates does in Dubai. Using business class meals as a metric is a false one.

You either pay the price or you go hungry.

Totally believe you.

How does it work out of curiosity? What are the logistical barriers to our transport aircraft carrying a stock of frozen meals onboard for reheating and service?