Biden is looking to do as much as possible before the eventual “deal”
The War in Ukraine
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Biden is looking to do as much as possible before the eventual “deal”
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But would Russia turn down an offer that effectively forces the Finlandization of Ukraine and leaves them in control of ~20% of Ukrainian territory?
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I understand that there are about 5 major versions of Trumps Peace Plan being floated.
Some are much more aggressive than others.
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500 BUSD of Lend Lease Aid?
What will be the Transfer Price on the old Bradleys and M113s in reserve inventory?
Destroyers-for-bases deal - Wikipedia
Destroyers for bases, followed by Lend-Lease, followed by the Marshall Plan.
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Pick a card, any card.
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Note who else is at least allegedly in on the conversations, though.
Musk Reportedly Took Part In Call Between Trump And Zelenskiy
Elon Musk was present during a phone conversation between U.S. President-elect Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, according to media reports citing sources.
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Great movie when it was actual people acting out the scenes and not CGI. Might have to watch it again.
Back to regular programming.
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Cat, meet pigeons...
The EU is seeking to accelerate talks with the UK on a new defense and security pact, with the election of Donald Trump raising concerns in Europe that it will need to boost aid to Ukraine amid the possibility of reduced American support.
A UK-European Union defense accord is now a top priority in their relations and has gained momentum in recent days, according to people familiar with the talks.
UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer and EU leaders used a summit in Budapest on Thursday to intensify talks about ways the security relationship could be ramped up, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. UK officials are looking into what would be included in such a pact, and are considering steps like common procurement of weapons and more joint military exercises and expeditions.
www.bnnbloomberg.ca
UK and EU Hasten Work on Defense Pact After Trump’s Victory
The EU is seeking to accelerate talks with the UK on a new defense and security pact, with the election of Donald Trump raising concerns in Europe that it will need to boost aid to Ukraine amid the possibility of reduced American support.
A UK-European Union defense accord is now a top priority in their relations and has gained momentum in recent days, according to people familiar with the talks.
UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer and EU leaders used a summit in Budapest on Thursday to intensify talks about ways the security relationship could be ramped up, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. UK officials are looking into what would be included in such a pact, and are considering steps like common procurement of weapons and more joint military exercises and expeditions.
UK and EU Hasten Work on Defense Pact After Trump’s Victory
The EU is seeking to accelerate talks with the UK on a new defense and security pact, with the election of Donald Trump raising concerns in Europe that it will need to boost aid to Ukraine amid the possibility of reduced American support.
www.bnnbloomberg.ca
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Meanwhile, so far, not much public buy-in from UKR on alleged proposals for an alleged ceasefire ....
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Still betting on "UKR gets screwed and won't get back land" with POTUS47, although I'd be happy to be mistaken.
Trump's team mulls postponing Ukraine's NATO membership for at least 20 years, WSJ reports
One idea within U.S. President-elect Donald Trump's team for ending Russia's war involves delaying Kyiv's NATO membership for at least 20 years in exchange for continued arms supplies, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reported on Nov. 6, citing three sources close to Trump.
kyivindependent.com
With Trump Win, Orban Urges 'Move From War To Peace' In Ukraine
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban urged fellow Europeans on Friday to recognise that Donald Trump's re-election will change the game regarding Russia's war in Ukraine, and agree to "move from war to peace".
Zelensky spurns Donald Trump's alleged "peace plan"
Zelensky also addressed the Hungarian leader, saying a quick resolution would be "preparation to ruin and destroy our independence."
www.newsweek.com
Volodymyr Zelenskyy Rejects Trump's Plan For Speedy End To Ukraine War
He said a quick ceasefire would be "a loss" for his country.
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Well I, for one, am shocked that UKR would reject Trump’s plan to end the war in 24 hours.Meanwhile, so far, not much public buy-in from UKR on alleged proposals for an alleged ceasefire ....
Trump's team mulls postponing Ukraine's NATO membership for at least 20 years, WSJ reports
One idea within U.S. President-elect Donald Trump's team for ending Russia's war involves delaying Kyiv's NATO membership for at least 20 years in exchange for continued arms supplies, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reported on Nov. 6, citing three sources close to Trump.With Trump Win, Orban Urges 'Move From War To Peace' In Ukraine
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban urged fellow Europeans on Friday to recognise that Donald Trump's re-election will change the game regarding Russia's war in Ukraine, and agree to "move from war to peace".Zelensky spurns Donald Trump's alleged "peace plan"
Zelensky also addressed the Hungarian leader, saying a quick resolution would be "preparation to ruin and destroy our independence."Still betting on "UKR gets screwed and won't get back land" with POTUS47, although I'd be happy to be mistaken.Volodymyr Zelenskyy Rejects Trump's Plan For Speedy End To Ukraine War
He said a quick ceasefire would be "a loss" for his country.
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I mean look at how well his deal worked for Afghanistan
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Please don't make us have to move this thread to the politics area because folks can't help themselves name calling politicians. I think the general users here are more articulate than reducing themselves to using ad hominems.
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Looks like Pompeo will not be joining Trump’s administration.
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One way to look at the cost of war to the West.
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The Scandinavians and Baltics are not surprisingly taking this very seriously. Unfortunately in real terms, it’s still not enough.
The next serious ones are North America and the UK (I was about to say “Anglosphere”, but that’s not accurate). Unfortunately, only one of those countries can make a meaningful contribution in real terms and all indications are pointing to them getting cold feet.
The next serious ones are North America and the UK (I was about to say “Anglosphere”, but that’s not accurate). Unfortunately, only one of those countries can make a meaningful contribution in real terms and all indications are pointing to them getting cold feet.
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France/Spain/Italy need to drink more coffee
Macron talks a lot of shit for what they deliver
Macron talks a lot of shit for what they deliver
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According to my quick Google-fu, Canada has pumped ~$10.6B into UKR (mil & civvy), so if you divide that by ~42 million population, that's about $254 per Canadian between January '22 and June '24, or about $9/month/person. That's an average price of about $3.60/coffee.
Wonder how much coffee costs in these other countries and what that does to the calculus?
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Maybe cup means some specific size ? I don't drink coffee lol
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???? I think its on the graphic itself. I'm surprised Canada is committing more that the average European.
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