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Taking Chance

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Fallen Soldiers, Coming Home in Public

In an HBO movie that has its premiere on Saturday, Kevin Bacon, playing the part of
Lt. Col. Michael Strobl, escorts the body of Chance Phelps, 19, a fellow Marine killed
in Iraq, home to his parents in Wyoming. There’s no real plot; the linear narrative
follows Colonel Strobl through his solemn rituals, often including a slow ceremonial
salute, as he watches over Private Phelps (later Lance Corporal Phelps). The body is
moved in a shipping container through various airports, from cargo hold to cargo hold,
on its long last journey.

HBO promotes the movie, “Taking Chance,” based on Colonel Strobl’s true account,
as “nonpolitical.” But it arrives in a highly political context and at an acutely political
moment.

Just last week, President Obama was asked at a news conference if he would allow
coverage of the flag-draped coffins arriving at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware
“so the American people can see the full human cost of war.” Photographs of that
particularly poignant moment — when a military transport plane first touches down
on American soil — have been banned since 1991.

Mr. Obama surprised many when he replied that he was “in the process of reviewing
those policies.” But he did not tip his hand. “I don’t want to give you an answer now
before I’ve evaluated that review and understand all the implications involved,” he
said. The implications are more far-reaching than might appear, even for a president
who campaigned against the war and promised transparency.

The military has explained the ban by saying that it spares a soldier’s loved ones the
hardship and expense of going to Dover to be there to greet the arrival along with
the news media. Geoff Morrell, a Pentagon spokesman, told reporters Friday that
families might think “if the press is going to be there, well, by golly, I should be there
to see my son or daughter, husband, wife, mother, father come home.” Usually, families
wait for their loved one to be escorted all the way home by someone like Colonel Strobl.

Privacy is an issue too, he said. Although the coffins are not publicly identified at Dover,
fewer deaths in Iraq mean that the identity of each is more knowable.

But skeptics say that those stated reasons mask a harsher reality and that the policy is
an attempt to sanitize the war and manipulate public opinion. “This is part of an overall
strategy to control the media in terms of what we know about the war and how it’s going,”
said Brian Gran, who teaches sociology and law at Case Western Reserve University and
has studied the so-called “Dover Test,” an intangible measure of how many coffins
Americans can stomach seeing.

The ban on photography has been applied inconsistently over the years, he pointed out,
suggesting to him that “the government is less concerned about the families’ interests
and more concerned about controlling the perceptions of war.”

Part of the debate that has developed turns on whether the return of soldiers is a private
or public matter. While families have registered a range of opinions about allowing the
news media at Dover, many have maintained that the return of a body is so deeply personal
that they should be able to decide whether to keep it private.

Critics say a soldier’s joining the military is a public act, done on behalf of country, and that
his or her return is of public interest. Banning photographs at Dover, Mr. Gran said,
“represents an important instance of the government attempting to justify its objectives.”

But with the review prompted by Mr. Obama, the Pentagon appears to be seeking greater
balance between private and public interests. Mr. Morrell said that Defense Secretary Robert
Gates wanted to allow families to keep their privacy “while at the same time trying to bring
this process more into the open, so that the American people can see what goes on and honor
these heroes as well.”

There are also political considerations. Mr. Obama has been careful not to ruffle feathers in the
military, moving cautiously on two big campaign promises — withdrawing combat troops from
Iraq within 16 months and allowing gay men and lesbians to serve openly. It would be out of
character for him suddenly to change a controversial policy like the photo ban without building
up support for it within the military.

Moreover, no one knows what will happen in Iraq or Afghanistan, or on some other battlefield.
At some point, Mr. Obama himself will be held accountable for the coffins coming home, and he
may find that it is not in his interest, any more than it was in his predecessors’, for Americans to
have these visual reminders of the death toll. It was, after all, the embarrassment of a president
that first led to the photo ban. In 1989, the TV networks showed a split screen of President George
H. W. Bush in jocular banter with reporters on one side while on the other, the first American
casualties from Panama were returning to Dover. A veteran himself, Mr. Bush was deeply
embarrassed at the juxtaposition and asked the networks to warn the White House when they
intended to use split screens again. They declined. At the next opportunity, in February 1991,
during the first gulf war, the Pentagon banned photos of returning coffins.

It isn’t clear how much such photos sway public opinion; more than 4,000 coffins have come back
from Iraq, largely unphotographed, and public opinion still turned against the war. Of course with
photos, that opinion may have turned earlier, particularly in the beginning of the war when
Mr. Bush was up for re-election.

“If the American people believe a war is worth fighting, then pictures of returning casualties won’t
change anything,” said Ralph Begleiter, a journalism professor at the University of Delaware who
prompted the Pentagon to release hundreds of pictures of coffins returning from Iraq. “The problem
comes when there are doubts about the war itself.”

In the near term, Mr. Obama could be sending as many as 30,000 more American troops to Afghanistan;
some may well come back through Dover.
 
On a related subject :

Casualties of the Afghan War

Since the beginning of the war in Afghanistan on Oct. 7, 2001, 563 American service members
- listed here - have died in Operation Enduring Freedom, the global antiterror campaign. Of
those deaths, according to an analysis by The New York Times, 510 have occurred in Afghanistan
or are directly linked to the war.

Casualties of the Afghan War, listed by name, date of death, state or branch



Casualties of  War (in Iraq). Search for a person in last name, state or hometown (search results are ordered by date of death)

Analisis

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This is a moving story about a Marine officer that escorted LCpl Chance Phelps remains to his family and will air on the 21st.

The story:
http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/Strobl.pdf

A couple of personal accounts.

I am the corpsman who was sitting next to PFC Phelps when we got hit on April 9th 2004. I was sitting right next to Phelps in the vehicle as the enemy initiated the ambush. I am convinced that Chance died instantly but his head was in my lap and cradled in my arms just seconds after he was hit.

After the firefight, I held his hand as our convoy limped back to the FOB. I knew he was gone but I still felt the need for him to know I was still there with him. I think about him every single day without exception...

Dulce Bellum Inexpertis,

Doc Peabody.

From MG Kelly:

From:  Kelly BGen John F
Sent:  Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:38 AM
To:  Strobl LtCol Michael R
Subject:  Trip Report

Mike,

I just read your trip report forwarded to me by CO, 11 th Marines, and having done the kind of duty you report about I know the emotions and pride.  I was with the Marine you escorted, nearly right next to him, when he was killed instantly along side a road named ASR San Juan .  The closest village is Jurf as Sakhr, and it sits right on the Euphrates River with Fallujah 25kms to the N, and Baghdad perhaps 45 to the NNE.  This is an ugly little section of Iraq and full of extremists that hate us for some reason.  Don’t know why, but that’s the way it is.  We were in five vehicles and were caught in a complex ambush.  They initiated it with an IED that caught the lead vehicle, disabled it, and wounded two of the three Marines inside.  After the IED there was immediate massed MG, AK, RPG, and mortar fire that certainly defined for me the term “withering.”  The second vehicle was also caught in the kill zone, but they it did a 180 and out – two WIA aboard from the initial volley.  The third vehicle was outside the KZ, but seeing #1 disabled and the Marines in extremis drove in, dismounted, set up a base fire, and started to work the comms. The other vehicles dismounted outside the KZ and began to seek the flank of the ambush.  Your Marine’s vehicle was called forward to try and close the back door and prevent the guerrillas escape so we could kill them, and after accomplishing the maneuver and putting his gun in action, he was hit.  Over time we shot our way out of it.  We collected up wounded, dead, and all equipment from the destroyed HMMWV, then walked out of the KZ shooting the entire time until we were clear.  All the Marines in the patrol did what we trained them to do, did it instinctively, and as if they were born to it.  Every one of them returned fire, moved to the sound of the guns, and took action.  There was certainly nothing special about any of  them, by the way, other than they were MARINES.   

Your charge started this return home with the same kind of reverence and honor you describe in your trip report, only in a very, very different way.  When we rushed into the combat base in Mahmudiyah it wasn’t for him, we knew he was already with God, but for the WIAs we had aboard.  The entire camp knew he was with us, however, and they all stood tall and were proud to simply be in the same crap hole with him and doing what they joined to do.  The Navy Docs went right to it with the WIAs and saved lives, at the same time we removed him from the vehicle it’s turret having been immediately manned by another Marine who’d himself been hit in the face, but pressed with the mission and the gun never went quiet in the process.  The dead Marine, only just out of high school last May, was of course filthy dirty and his uniform vastly different than the one you saw him in. He obviously was not wearing any ribbons, but did have his flak and all the other accoutrements of a field Marine on when we removed him.  He was also still soaked from the unbelievable sweating a fight brings on.  His buddies spent a few quiet moments and we talked about the loss, and what he meant – what he was like – to them all.  Everyone offered a vignette, most were silly or funny, but that’s the kind of guy he was.  We then withdrew as there was a detailed critique to conduct (actions on contact, who did what, what worked, what didn’t work, what could have done better, and all the what ifs that go with learning the trade and getting better), and then the platoon commander (himself quite a guy) got right to it as there were also weapons to clean, and preps to be made for the next patrol.  Life goes on doesn’t it.  This all took place, by the way, at about 1500 local on Good Friday.  Thought you should know the rest of the story.  Thanks for taking care of our Marine.

Semper Fidelis,

Kelly

The trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtmiLdzzgGE
 
New HBO movie on TV 21 Feb 09

Taking Chance

In 2004, Lt. Col. Michael Strobl volunteered to escort home the body of a 19-year-old Marine killed in Iraq. It would prove to be a life-altering experience. Kevin Bacon stars as Strobl in this profoundly moving HBO Films drama that looks at the military rituals for honoring its war dead from the perspective of one fallen soldier named Chance Phelps. Strobl never knew Phelps before taking the assignment, but as he journeys across America, he discovers the great diligence and dignity in how the military handle such dark duties--and comes to grips with his own issues of guilt when he meets Chance's gracious family and friends. Directed by Ross Katz; screenplay by Lt. Col. Michael R. Strobl, USMC (ret.) and Ross Katz, based on the journal by Lt. Col. Michael R. Strobl, USMC (Ret.)
Running time 77/85 minutes. Actors: KEVIN BACON, PAIGE TURCO, SARAH THOMPSON, TOM WOPAT

One personal review from the internet: It is the only movie I have ever seen at Sundance in five years of attendance that received four standing ovations. It is a wonderful story of respect, service, sacrifice and the dignity of life. Lt Col Mike Strobl did a great job of sharing with us through his book, and now this movie. A true story of a serviceman's journey home who has been Killed In Action (KIA). It is a moving account of the respect that the Marines give their fallen. In addition is shows the outpouring of thanks and respect that Lt Col Strobl encountered as he escorted the body Lance Corporal Chance Phelps back to his family.

Everyone should see this movie. It does not have any political or ideological agenda. It is just a great story of service and sacrifice as well as respect and honour.

Picture: Lt Col (Ret) Strobl, Director Ross Katz, Kevin Bacon






 
If anyone is interested "Taking Chance " is now playing on HBO. The story of a Marine casualty assistance officer handling that toughest of duties.
 
Coffins’ Arrival From War Becomes an Issue Again, NY Times, February 21, 2009

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Military personnel escorting coffins at
Dover Air Force Base in one of
hundreds of photographs the Pentagon
released in 2004.

Pentagon officials reconsidering the ban on news coverage of coffins arriving at Dover Air Force Base from Iraq
and Afghanistan are studying the media policies of other countries. They are also soliciting the views of families
who have lost loved ones.

Those two aspects of the review may well yield opposing perspectives. Britain and Canada, two important allies
in the war in Afghanistan, allow far more news media access to the repatriation process — the return of a fallen
soldier to his or her country — than does the United States. But many American families who have lost loved ones
say they want to keep the ban, which has been in place since the Persian Gulf war in 1991.

President Obama said on Feb. 9 that he had ordered the review, which the Pentagon said it would complete in
a few days. The new review has revived an old debate. Supporters of the ban say it protects families’ privacy and
keeps the deaths from becoming politicized; critics say the government is trying to sanitize the wars and reduce
public awareness of their human cost.

In the most recent national poll on the issue, conducted in 2003 by The New York Times and CBS News, 62 percent
of respondents said the public should be allowed to see photographs of the military honor guard receiving coffins at
Dover, in Delaware, while 27 percent opposed the idea. The poll questioned 1,042 people and had a margin of error
of plus or minus three percentage points.

Since Mr. Obama’s announcement, Families United for Our Troops and Their Mission, which represents 60,000
families of military personnel, including some who have died, has publicly opposed lifting the ban. The group also
asked its members in an e-mail message whether they favored keeping or changing the ban.

Of the roughly 600 people who responded, the group said, 64 percent said the policy should not be changed;
21 percent said that if the ban were changed, the families should be able to determine news media access on
a case-by-case basis, and 12 percent said the policy should be changed to allow cameras.

Among the respondents, the group said, was a mother, whose name it withheld to protect her privacy, who wrote:
“When our son arrived into Dover A.F.B., my husband had arranged to be there as they took him off of the plane ...
we couldn’t imagine him being all alone. It was a very private and emotional moment and one that should have
belonged only to us. We were inundated by press at our home, at the funeral and for months after, and we were
generous with their access, but were very grateful that they weren’t allowed to be present at Dover. ... This was
our precious son, not a political statement.”

But another mother who had lost her son said she favored lifting the ban. “I am in favor of controlled media
coverage at Dover because I feel people need to be made aware of the sacrifice my son and so many other
brave men and women have made for their freedom,” she wrote.

But if the views of military families suggest the repatriations should be closed, the policies of allies may suggest they
be open. Repatriation is more of a national event in Britain and Canada.

In Canada, families decide whether the news media can cover the arrival ceremonies on the tarmac at the air base at
Trenton, Ontario. “They can’t be under the nose of the family, but they can capture the event,” said Capt. Isabelle Riche,
the public affairs officer for the base.

In Britain, the Defense Ministry usually takes photographs of the arrival ceremonies at the air base at Lyneham and
releases them to the news media. Reporters are sometimes admitted but are also kept at some distance from the
families. Accepting government photographs has irritated some British journalists who want more editorial control,
particularly if something out of the ordinary happens during the ceremony. Either way, the public sees the pictures.

In Canada and Britain, a cortege leaves the air base for a mortuary about 100 miles away, and television often shows
the procession live. The Canadian procession travels to a morgue in Toronto along Highway 401. That stretch of
roadway has been renamed the Highway of Heroes, and hundreds of people often come out and pay their respects
as a convoy passes. The procession in Britain, from Lyneham to a mortuary in Oxford, first passes through Wootton
Bassett, a small town that has become the nation’s funeral parlor. Hundreds of people line the streets there in silent
tribute.

At Dover the repatriation process takes place out of public view. The mortuary is on the air base, so no public
procession takes place. When they first banned representatives of the news media, military officials said that if
cameras were allowed at Dover, most families would feel compelled to go there, often under emotional and financial
duress. Many wait instead for a military escort to bring their loved ones home, where there is often an outpouring of
support by local residents, and some families allow news coverage of the funeral.

In April 2006, Canadian officials briefly imposed a news blackout on the arrival ceremonies for the coffins, saying they
wanted to protect the families’ privacy. Critics said the government was trying to protect itself from antiwar sentiment;
they included several families who said the public ceremonies and shows of sympathy had given them some comfort.

A month later the government reversed course and allowed families to decide for themselves. The only caveat was that
all immediate next of kin had to agree on the decision. If they did not, access was denied.
 
Agreed.... damn, there's something in my eye again.
 
Wish I had HBO.  :'(  Hopefully it comes on another channel soon.
 
Wow - outstanding film.  The guys playing the Marines did an excellent job and the movie brought alot back for us who've seen our friends or family brought home from so far away.

Never fails to make me proud on how we as an institution care for our fallen warriors on their return home and on how the average citizen will take the time out of his or her day to do their part in seeing them home.
 
I watched it, and think it was very well done. So was "Section 60".
The US repatriated 233,181 of their war dead from WW2 alone:
http://www.memorialdayfoundation.org/info.asp?id=1975
 
I had the pleasure of seeing this film last week and I agree that it is a must see. It is an extremely moving experience, but more importantly it helps to put to rest the horrible lie that the military is some impersonal, unfeeling beast which consumes gullible kids and spits them out when they have served their purpose.

I can think of no other organization which cares, honours, and personalizes the loss of each and every one of its members as the military of both Canada and the US does. Watching the film and seeing how ordinary citizens responded to being a witness to the body of a young soldier returning home makes me realize that though many people may claim to believe the lie, the number that actually believe it is far lower.

My God continue to bless each and every soldier, who put the safety of foreigners and hostile countrymen above their own.
 
Great  movie, very  educational about how the Americans deal with the loss of a human in battle or by accident.
The one part where it shows the Army  Sgt waiting for his brother to be unloaded from the plane and put in the funeral coach,  he and Bacon's character both saluting made me realize how small of a world it can be when you  escort your own kin home for the final time.

Thanks to the people who work behind the scenes doing the final prep work, making the remains look better at the end then when they  got them,  It is hard work doing that day  in day  out.  I know because I did work at the now former family  business in the US when  married. I worked in final packaging, it is hard and drainign work. They  do a wonderful job at Dover Air Force Base.  Must see for any  person who has some one over there they  know.
 
We have had several accounts of escorts in the media and the thing that both moves me and is inspiring is the response of the american public when they become aware that the remains of a fallen warrior is on their flight or is being offloaded.

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Infanteer said:
Wow - outstanding film.  The guys playing the Marines did an excellent job and the movie brought alot back for us who've seen our friends or family brought home from so far away.

Never fails to make me proud on how we as an institution care for our fallen warriors on their return home and on how the average citizen will take the time out of his or her day to do their part in seeing them home.

Little late to thsi thread, but it was an excellent movie. The reason the guys playing the Marines came off so real is that many of them were actually Marines.

Here is the actual story written by LCol Strobl about the trip,

http://www.asrt-mil.org/taking_pfc_phelps_home.htm
 
First read this story in the book Blog of War.  Can't wait to watch the movie rendition.
 
For thoes who missed it, HBO will re-air Taking Chance. May be on HBO Canada for thoes who do not have HBO.

In April 2004, Lieutenant Colonel Michael Strobl (Kevin Bacon) escorted a young fallen Marine home to his family in Dubois, Wyoming. 'Taking Chance' re-airs this Memorial Weekend, Sunday at 9PM. Find out more at HBO.com.
 
I think this movie is a little less known. It was an HBO broadcast.

Anyway, the first time I saw it was before I had decided the CF was the path I wanted for myself.  It's on again this evening and it's truly touching--a very different approach to a difficult aspect of war.

Trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/#/watch?v=MtmiLdzzgGE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMtmiLdzzgGE
 
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