• Thanks for stopping by. Logging in to a registered account will remove all generic ads. Please reach out with any questions or concerns.

Saw a bunch of cadets today....

Status
Not open for further replies.
Actually, Mr. Dorosh, I was wondering if they had duties that required the commision. It wasnt snide. Unlike your comments. It was an inquiry. Kindly read over the posts of this topic and realize that your being an dink. I didnt attack you or the cadets.

Would you mind explaining my "faulty" views? Is that because they aren't yours?   Wait- not getting into a pissing contest.
 
Michael Dorosh said:
  Just one more one-stripe wonder who thinks he knows how to run the CF and the country.

This whole thing got started that word "Just". nd he was quick to correct everyone- Then he follows it up by doing the same thing. Hypocrite.
 
RopeTech said:
Michael Dorosh said:
  Just one more one-stripe wonder who thinks he knows how to run the CF and the country.

This whole thing got started that word "Just". nd he was quick to correct everyone- Then he follows it up by doing the same thing. Hypocrite.

I agree with you, especially considering he's only a 2 striper himself.
 
CIC Officers

Things are changing, but the way it used to be (IIRC) was

10 day BOQ course & 1 year as an OCDT + recommendations of CO & Local Sponsor & Cadet League Representative  & approval of Area Cadet Officer
10 day MOC, 10 day LTQ & 1 year as 2LT +  ''''
10 day CQ & 2 years as LT                      + ''            = 1 Cpt

Typically civilians getting involved spend a number of years as volunteers and "Civilian Instructors" before being recruited and putting on a uniform.  In my own case,
once I made formal application, it took over a year before I climbed into my blue suit.  Takes a long time to find military service records from the late '60s in the national archives!!


not to mention who knows how many shorter courses as SupO, AdmO, RSO, CO & weekend conferences etc.

A number of officers also availled themselves of the OPDP correspondence courses, In my own case, I doubt that I would have had the time if I hadn't been between spouses during that time interval....

The intent is to train leaders who can manage their staff and the cadets....

Short by the standards of the PR & RF, but CIC Officers need a different skill set.

They are redoing all of this, so please bear in mind this is probably ancient history now.

The reason for making them commissioned officers is simple - it puts them in the chain of command, and makes them subject to the chain of command.

There have been some CIC Officers (not many, but a few) that have spent time polishing floors at Griesbach

I forgot to mention that a civilian organization - The Air Cadet League of Canada is a civilian partner with DND in the Air Cadet realm, and provides financial support for the flying scholarship (and other) programs.  The Army Cadet Leagiue & Navy League work somewhat diffently, but are partners for their "elements"

I remember a couple of incidents that left a good taste in my mouth. (I tend not to remember the other kind, it is counterproductive).  I was at Griesbach on a course during the summer.  There was a special training session for youth from the far north - to give them a taste of military life.  A group of Jr NCOs (DI types, muscle on top of muscle) from the Airborne served as directing staff.  One of them was in front of me at the lunch line one day.  He turned around and asked if I was a Cadt Instructor.  When I replied in the affirmative, he responded...   "You know Sir,  I never used to have much use for Cadet Instructors..".  Then there was the private serving up breakfast who told me (I don't know how many times)  how great Cadets had been for him..

We never turned out too many CF recruits.  We had one the went ROTC (if that's still a valid acronym), and one who just about made it to RCMC (had problem with her jaw that caused her to fail the physical).  We also had a number who wanted to join but weren't accepted.

We also filled the church every Rememberance Day, and made sure that people in our community did not forget the sacrifices that members of the CF (and the RCMP) have made for their country...

That has to count for something..




 
It sure does count Grover.

Thanks for answering my question about officers.
 
When do we start telling funny stories about how we jacked up this cadet or that one for having an undone button.

Don't try to compare a CIC officer to a Reserve or regular force officer in a "combat/training" sense. Their job isn't to lead combat soldiers, it's to lead and develop  civilian teen-agers.
 
Grover said:
We never turned out too many CF recruits.  We had one the went ROTC (if that's still a valid acronym), and one who just about made it to RCMC (had problem with her jaw that caused her to fail the physical).  We also had a number who wanted to join but weren't accepted.

We also filled the church every Rememberance Day, and made sure that people in our community did not forget the sacrifices that members of the CF (and the RCMP) have made for their country...

That has to count for something..

Of course it does.  And I'll bet no one minded one way or another which cap badge they were wearing, either.

There are handicapped kids in Cadets which still benefit from the program; the 2137 corps had a Deaf Platoon, for example, and IIRC the program was a success.  You don't have to be in JTF 2 to benefit from military style training, nor should you be derided for "not being military."  Of course, any twit knows that Cadets aren't serving soldiers.  If RopeTech gets his shorts in a knot because there are some cadets who don't quite understand their place, well, I would say he has failed in his duties since it would be up to him to educate said cadet in a constructive manner - the same way I am sure his NCOs are attempting to educate him in his unit.  The military has always been best when it was about teamwork - not "sink or swim".

Oh...and one doesn't need to be a Chief Warrant Officer to give an opinion.  I may "only" have "just" two chevrons but I also have 17 years experience - which doesn't count time in cadets.  RopeTech is entitled to his opinions too.  I just happen to think they're stupid opinions formed out of ignorance.  He's entitled to wallow in it if he likes.
 
Again Dorosh on the attack.   ::) By the way Dorosh when your not telling people how experienced you are,(as you need to because your attitude sucks and doesnt show much) What is your civi job? Feel free to move this ridiculous attack to PM like the other guys who have issues with me.
 
The ONLY problem I have with the cadet system is the fact that they get to wear the same cap badge that reg force or reservists get after weeks and weeks of very intense training. That's the only thing that bugs me really, sure, maybe they should have their own version of the regimental cap badge or something, who cares, that's the way it is.  I guess crying on here about it won't make anything different. So, if this is the way it is, and cadets do get to wear the same cap badge that reg force or reservists get to wear, then boo hoo, that's the way it is. I don't agree with it but whatever, that's the way it is.

There are many, positive things about cadets as well. Not only developing an interest in the forces, but they do alot of community work and it builds them, in my oppinion, into better people. My friend, she is a cadet. She has been in for something like 6 years, I don't know exactly how long but shes a Master Warrant Officer/Sgt Major. She doesn't go around faunting her rank or anything, I've seen her on parade for the anniversary for d-day, she got the great oppertunity to head out to france and see some vets. It is a good thing for younger people, it's a great experience I'd say. I will definitly get my child into it whenever it is that I decide to be a Dad.

I'm sure there are a million and one things wrong with cadets, I'm sure someone could come on here and list alot of things on this board about what's wrong with cadets. I'm also sure that someone could easily come on here and list alot of positive things about them as well. I just listed a few things positive about my friend who's up in the ranks with her corp. But there are a few things that SOME cadets really need to get into their head, they aren't combat soldiers. SOME cadets really need to realise what they are and what their role is, they aren't combat soldiers. I say this because my friend, who I admire very much despite some of the things she does lol....Bought a camel back, an all cadpat uniform, her own rucksack, she has a combat helmet the goggles, gortex boots (dont ask me how she got em) and a tac vest. Again, I don't know why on earth she'd need all this, who knows, who cares. That's just an example of how SOME cadets really need to wake up and realise what they are and what their role is.

I have nothing major against cadets, nobody should, if everyone just started looking at both sides of it, they would either stop giving a sh*t or get a better attitude about it. Just look at it from both sides. Some of them CANT be soldiers, maybe thats why they are still cadets. But some of them, like my friend who is 19, ready to age out, with a room full of combat equipment, need to quit the game and do the real thing or stop pretending and f'in around.

Cadets ARE just cadets, Reservists ARE just reservists and Regulars ARE just regulars. I'm sure theres good and bad in all three catagories, there is good and bad in everything, just don't always look at the bad or the good look at both.

'nuff rambling for me, just my 2 cents
 
Of course, any twit knows that Cadets aren't serving soldiers

Agreed, some cadets need to be reminded this. There seems to be no short supply of privates and corporals tripping over themselves to point this out. (some here,mostly in general) It's almost like a young NCM needs to do this to keep the big ol' pecking order in check.

Ropetech, not too sure what michaels Civi job has to do with it, sounds to me your going to try and use it to make a point?

If you want to know something personal about someone you should send a PM.

EDIT for CL84: Why should it bother you?  Weeks and weeks of very intense training? Come on dude. I've met an honourary colonel who wore a capbadge and didn't serve a day in the army as far as im aware.

One of the major complaints i see about the cadets is them thinking they are soldiers.  I've met a few of them who would love to be soldiers and like role play it up but i've met a hell of a lot more privates and corporals who think they are some kind of special forces. Guys who talk about special forces this and that or go to the bars and lie to girls about being paratroopers, snipers, JTF, you name it.  It's a hell of a lot more insulting to me seeing a trained soldier try to bullshit about who and what he is than a 'cadet'.  Sure cadets by tones of army crap to look cool but our guys buy tons of shit they never are allowed to use just as much.  Not to step on any toes here but you ever see some of those airsoft.paint ball "regiments"?  Lt wolf this, captian commando that. 2nd platoon canadian airborne airrifle regiment.  These are trained soldiers pretending to be certain ranks.

Just as bad man. Cadets do dumb shit, so does the reserves and regs. Worry about yourself it makes life so much easier.
 
Im not trying to make any points. I said lets move it to PM's. This is awful OT now isnt it?
 
Yah Ghost I agree with you. I should have clarified the 'weeks and weeks of very intense training' I was just trying to make my point. The cadets get the same badge as the guys who go through the long process to get it. It really honestly doesn't bother me to the point where I'm worrying about it to death, like I said at the beginning of my post, that's the way it is, who cares.
I agree with you about the 'real' soldiers acting even more tough than they really are.
It seems to me everyone is just trying to 'be' or 'pretend to be' like the guy above him, would that be human nature? To want to be like someone above/"better" than you? I suppose everyone has goals and people they admire, some people are very silly I agree. But, that's just the way it is.
 
As always, Ghost, I enjoyed reading your post on this.  Great point about the Honourary Colonels, too.  Goes back to the main point - Regimental Family.  Especially in the times we're facing now - look what they are doing in Britain - cutting four regiments.  I should think we need all the support we can get for our Regiments; instead of making them smaller by telling cadets they're "not qualified" to belong to the family, we should be seeking to keep the franchise as broad as possible.  If some of the privates and corporals get their nose out of joint at the prospect, well, they too will grow up.
 
You guys should join the airforce or navy, no one wears the air ops badge except reg/res airforce and at that not everyone in blue wears the air ops badge, admin/log types have their own hat badges, same goes for the fishheads (sorry to any token fishheads, I mean fishheads, ah who am I kidding, I've got an XO now).  ;D

Cheers
 
Admit it Inch you love the navy...if the navy reformed its naval air arm you wold be the first to join. ;)
 
This is awful OT now isnt it?

Yup. usually when i see a topic that i think is totally unproductive (jtf, who is better, no gays in the army, why girls shouldnt join, cadets are weak) i make stupid and smart ass comments trying to drive the thread into the dirt so the mods lock it.

I used to be all hard core never wear my regiments t-shirt unless you passed ql3, cadets cant talk about "the real army" don't use a regiments avatar unless your with them. Then some of the bigger boys here sorted me out :)
 
Ghost,

You seem to think that "all" cadets are the same.  Sorry, the answer is no.  Not all cadets act as you see them. I don't know who you see trying to be all "commando" or whatever, but I'm sure the majority of them are army cadets trying to play soldier when they shouldn't.  I used to be a sea cadet for 4 years, and rarely have seen what you are referring to.
 
The local army cadets up here in Yellowknife are affiliated with the PPCLI. They wear maroon berets, PPCLI capbadges, and no one says boo about it. I was a bit surprised to see them wearing para berets, but to each their own, I guess.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top