Saw a bunch of cadets today....

[Excolis]

and jus tfor the record,  as far as i know, a reservist can go hand there uniform in whenever they want, the same as a cadet...  cadets are part of the regimental family, and should be treated like they are.  i guess i am lucky, down here in windsor, we dont have people thinking about cadets in a negitive way, our unit is extreemly helpful in all aspects to the cadets.  we get amazing support, and we appreciate that alot.  i am thankful there isn't many people here that look down on cadets.

 

[dutchie]

RE: "cadets are part of the regimental family, and should be treated like they are."

Technically, yes. But so is the ladies axillary......should we hand out cap badges to them?

The goal of the cadets is to produce good citizens, and foster an interest in the military, and in particular, interest in the parent unit of the cadet. The cadets are a civilian organization, not a military one.

Re: "i guess i am lucky, down here in windsor, we dont have people thinking about cadets in a negitive way, our unit is extreemly helpful in all aspects to the cadets."    

as is our unit.....but our cadet 'CO' is known to be a rampant sciver of t he units kit, and general thought of as a useless troll.......it is due to the fact that he is not part of the org structure that he can get away with it....only the CO can really do anything, and we all know how quick they are to act. That is not to say that our cadets aren't highly regarded....but they are kept in their rightful place.

 

[Excolis]

cadets are fully funded through DND.  if that doesn't make it a military organization i dont know what does.  it is run by military officers, not all are great i know, but still.  they are part of the regimental family, and should be allowed to wear regimental kit...  and you have a ladies aux, attached to your unit??? can you enlighten me?

 

[NavyGrunt]

"cadets are fully funded through DND.  if that doesn't make it a military organization i dont know what does"

I'm sorry did you start swearing oath's? Because I did. As for "being fully funded" by the dnd. Cadets had a completely seperate budget and doesnt actually use the "militarys" budget as far as I know. If one of the other board members could enlighten us...

 

[rdschultz]

The air cadet squadron my brother was in most certainly wasn't fully funded through DND.  I don't know specific numbers or percentages, but I know a large part of their income came from fundraising (working bingos and casinos for instance).  Some sort of convoluted scheme where the Parents association raised money, gave it to the Rotary Club, and then the Rotary Club donated the money back to the air cadet squadron

I think the fundraising was mostly for extra activities (trips and whatnot), so the funding of the day-to-day activities of the squadron may well have been provided by DND, I have no idea.  I'm just countering the point that all cadet activities are funded through the DND.

 

[patt]

Cadet cores are funded by there affilated unit, some by the legion and some by fundraiseing i should know cuz when i was in cadets money went missing in my core that the unit gave to us and there was a big investigation about it i know what happend but i cannot say

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Well, all I have to say is that if anyone here really feels threatened by the fact that cadets are allowed to wear the same regimental badges as them, they are a sad, pathetic little creature and probably have no pride in themselves to begin with - thus the need to knock everyone else down a peg or two.

Our cadet corps in Calgary has produced some very upstanding citizens, many of whom have gone on to achieve great things both in our Militia regiment, and also on operations with the Regular Force (and in at least one case I know of, the British Army).

Luckily,the decision is out of the hands of the prejudiced like RopeTech and I don't see any changes on the horizon anytime soon, so to all the cadets out there lucky enough to be affiliated with a regular or reserve unit - wear your badges with pride and don't let anyone tell you that you don't deserve to do so.

 

[Excolis]

i agree mike, and yes cadets have a budget that comes from their detachment.  mine is in London, and they get so much money each year, yes from DND.  all of the staff are paid through DND.  yes some corps do a lot of fundraising to help keep their corps well maintained, but all weekend activities, ect... are funded by the budget.  and it is wrong to say that the corps are funded through there affiliated units, because i know of some units that give nothing to the cadet corps...

still anyone have any info on the ladies aux???

 

[highground]

The biggest thing I don't like about cadets is when they wear the OD combats or I have seen some in  Cadpat (do ask me where they got it) and they ware the uniform like its nothing to them.  Shirt undone â “ boot untied- Pants not bloused, and their wearing your cap badge. Now people see this and they think of your whole unit like that.  Now anyone tell me if they have don't have problem with that?  

Now for you Cadets out there, why and when do you wear combats??  And are you shown how to wear them right?

 

[Excolis]

the cadpat combats the cadets wear they buy from the internet and they are not the same as the CF issue.  and i agree cadets that look like bags of shit all the time is not a good example to the CF.  i blame that on their officers.  they should take charge, and make these kids shape up, or ship out...  a new order came out saying cadets are only allowed to wear combats when out in the field.  they are supposed to wear their uniform at the LHQ.

 

[NavyGrunt]

Prejudiced?Why because I pointed out where the other side is coming from? You truly are  sad creature yourself. As for the upstanding citizens. Im sure they're are some. Thats not what Im debating. Im saying that as a youth organization. Good on them. They are not military though. Which when they wear a regiment's cap badge they get it in their little knoggins that they are. I mean look at the comment-

cadets are fully funded through DND.  if that doesn't make it a military organization i dont know what does

Proofs in the pudding. The kid thinks he's military. And your helping him along. Not only that, you've resorted to petty name calling. Nice work "MOD"


Sorry your so defensive about having been a cadet.
Cheers

As a another note- I want to point out that I don't mind cadets. It takes dedication and they should be allowed to take pride in their organization. I wouldnt take attacks on my accomplishments so I wont crap on theirs. However I'm just pointing out the difference. Different isnt bad. I dont call them names or go out of my way to tease them. Actually I come from an ununderprivilegedamily and I have a cousin who is worse off than me.When he was 14 he joined air cadets. Gave him opportunities he would never have had. So I applaud the Cadets. However I at the same time remain mindful and cocognisantf the difference.

 

[dutchie]

Cadets should be proud of their affiliation with their regiment. But they should remember that they are not members of the Regiment, but rather they are members of the 'Regimental Family'. ONLY serving members of the Regiment are 'Seaforths', for instance.

However, the cadets (in our unit at least) are highly regarded as an entity. Their officers are not, and some individual cadets are not (usually the ones who join the Regiment and start saying things like, "I was a Sergeant-Major in the cadets, so I know more thanyou, Corporal".

Proud to be a cadet - you should be, but if you want to be proud to be a 'Seaforth', 'Eddy', 'Cal High', etc., you have to be a SWORN member first.

Get a grip Dorosh....your no longer a cadet....

 

[Villy]

Re: Cadet Budgets

while the ND budget for cadets is substational, it does not (unless things have changed in the last 4 or 5 years) cover all of their activities.

Funding is available for "Mandatory Training" - which in essence means a specified number of days in the field.  Sometimes, extra $$ might be made available, but significant additional funding (from sponsors etc) is necessary if you wish to have a vibrant and active squadron or corps.

All summer camp based training is paid for by ND.  Uniforms (not combats) are supplied by ND, and of course Officers pay as well.

Officers were paid for a max of 21 days per year ( + mandated training (i.e. Officers' training, not cadet training) at the normal reserve rate.  Some years there were extra paid days available for special events.  21 days per year covers the 1 night per week of LHQ training for the cadets.  We used to run a half day or more every Saturday morning, and a full weekend four or five times per training year.   Add the overhead, administration, trips to the detachment and the average hourly pay for a 10 year Captain was well under the Provincial minimum wage.

Officers could of course bid on postings to the summer camps - if you were a teacher, retired, or un-employed.... (otherwise how would you get the summer off ??)

ND's budget for cadets is substantial - no doubt about that.  Even wages are a significant issue when you consider that the CIC has  (If I remember correctly) has more officers than all of the rest of the CF combined (RF & PR)

Is it worth it -  I spent over 9 years with a local air cadet squadron, the last four years as CO.  I can't remember how many business people have told me that they give preference to ex cadets when they are hiring.  Why - because they have learned self discipline, and know how to get a job done.

There are a large number of really outstanding young people in the cadet movement, and I really believe that these youngsters will be the future leaders of our communities...

 

[Jarnhamar]

I was always told cadet budgets come from a different org. then the DND.

I see the argument as pretty futile. (Like resisting the borg)

Cadets wear a units capbadge, kilt, maroon beret, balmoral, whats the big deal.

"They didn't earn it"
Have you seen the people passing basic and trade courses today?
On my course a soldier passed who ran PT maybe 6 times and did a whopping 200 meters meters into the FTX before "tripping". They passed anyways and wore the balmoral with slip ons and cap badge.

I'd rather "just a cadet" watching my back then this cap badge wearing soldier.  To some it may mean a lot and if they feel they've earned it then thats awesome but isn't this making a big deal over it? A cadet isn't a soldier. If they are representing my regiment and doing a good job, recruiting cadets who later become soldiers and keep MY regiment alive, then more power to them.

If someone is a seaforth cadet then thats what they are. If they call themselves a seaforth every now and then whats the big deal? It's like guys from #1,2,3RCR freaking out over a reservest from 4RCR calling himself a "royal".
One of the best pictures i've ever had taken is myself, a young cadet and a ww2 vet all wearing a "glens" T-Shirt from my old regiment chatting.

 

[Eowyn]

cadets are fully funded through DND.  if that doesn't make it a military organization i dont know what does

Proofs in the pudding. The kid thinks he's military.

Ummm Rope Tech, that kid isn't a kid.  He is in the military as a commissioned CIC officer.  But I agree with you, Cadets isn't military but a youth organization.

 

[NavyGrunt]

OOPS! Good enough he is in the Military his "underlings" are not. That is a bizarre system. Just a question- why does a cadet instructor require a commission?

 

[tree hugger]

Hope this doesn't add fuel to the fire, but do CIC officers have to attend IAP/BOTP?

 

[D-n-A]

I think CICs just have to attend a 1 week course to get their training.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Note that I said wear the uniform "with pride."

Kids are kids.  My corps, when I was in, didn't tolerate sloppy uniforms.  In that sense, the badges of the parent regiment should be considered a privilege.  Wear your uniform properly or get the hell out.  I agree completely with that.

Kids being kids, you sometimes have to remind them several times of the right and wrong way to do things.  That doesn't mean being a dick about it; we had plenty of those when I was a cadet.  If someone is wearing the uniform incorrectly, it is within your power - even if you are a private in the Militia - to take the cadet aside at an opportune time and gently explain what he is doing wrong, but more importantly, why we do things the correct way.

Yelling across a four lane street "Do up your jacket numbnuts!" is not the way to go about it.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

LOL

Ropetech doesn't know politics when he sees it. 

Does someone have time to explain to RopeTech the political realities at play here, or what the definition of "military" is?  I don't think I can speak at a level low enough that he'll understand. Nor can I defend the use of my time in such a manner.

Bottom line - nothing will change based on his faulty understanding of the world around him, so I wouldn't be too terribly worried by his comments.  Just one more one-stripe wonder who thinks he knows how to run the CF and the country.