Rumour regarding Medium Lift
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Back to the topic about the "rumour" regarding the Sea Kings....this may be a possibility, according to the article below:
http://www.canada.com/news/national/story.html?id=342719a6-2e8b-4690-8b5e-8b9548d3850d
http://www.canada.com/news/national/story.html?id=342719a6-2e8b-4690-8b5e-8b9548d3850d
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Lets wait and see if General Hillier has anything to say about it?
Using the Seathings over there would be a nightmare for anyone accociated with the whole project. I hope someone sees sence and goes looking for the right kind of chopper before this nonesence actually takes on any kind of a life of its own!
Cheers
Using the Seathings over there would be a nightmare for anyone accociated with the whole project. I hope someone sees sence and goes looking for the right kind of chopper before this nonesence actually takes on any kind of a life of its own!
Cheers
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Well, if there is a plan to send the machines over there, the techs will do whatever it takes to make it happen, as will the crews and ground pers. They always do.
I guess the CF has to use the assets they have to the best of their ability. LOL- Is there an air drop torpedo in inventory that can take out a bunker??
Best of luck to those who might have to go.
I guess the CF has to use the assets they have to the best of their ability. LOL- Is there an air drop torpedo in inventory that can take out a bunker??
Best of luck to those who might have to go.
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To my mind, concepts like the one discussed here go to the very heart of what true transformation is all about. Transformation is, at its very heart, all about changing the way we see the world, its challenges, and our way of approaching those problems. Taking existing equipment, people, and doctrine and changing the way we employ them by changing the way we think about their capabilities is a very powerful transformative approach.
Fundamentally, we need to reconsider how we are using our people and equipment to ensure that we are using them to the greatest advantage of the people of Canada. In this specific case it raises the questions about whether it is more important to maintain a capability to maybe someday hunt submarines or contribute to the very real tasks and responsibilities associated with nation building in Afghanistan. The question then becomes: what is the impact to the relevance to the Sea King community of not transforming to be useful to the current challenges and missions?
As well, when considering an issue like employing the Sea King in a non-traditional role, our analysis cannot simply consider the platform under discussion. Wemust also consider the risks to the mission and the personnel in the PRT of NOT having the capability within the force structure. How great is the risk to soldiers who must spend more time moving by vehicle because air transport is not available? How great is the risk to a patrol when they don't have the support of a QRF because it can't get to them in time? What happens to a casualty's chances of survival when an air CASEVAC is not available and the time required to get them to a medical facility goes up exponentially?
Lastly, I will say that I believe in the men and women who fly and maintain the Sea King helicopter fleet. If such a mission were proposed to them, I have no doubt that they would execute it with professionalism and vigour. The Sea King is a robust "pick-up" truck flown and maintained by some of the best professionals in the world. I will value their counsel over that of Senator Forrestall.
Sam
Fundamentally, we need to reconsider how we are using our people and equipment to ensure that we are using them to the greatest advantage of the people of Canada. In this specific case it raises the questions about whether it is more important to maintain a capability to maybe someday hunt submarines or contribute to the very real tasks and responsibilities associated with nation building in Afghanistan. The question then becomes: what is the impact to the relevance to the Sea King community of not transforming to be useful to the current challenges and missions?
As well, when considering an issue like employing the Sea King in a non-traditional role, our analysis cannot simply consider the platform under discussion. Wemust also consider the risks to the mission and the personnel in the PRT of NOT having the capability within the force structure. How great is the risk to soldiers who must spend more time moving by vehicle because air transport is not available? How great is the risk to a patrol when they don't have the support of a QRF because it can't get to them in time? What happens to a casualty's chances of survival when an air CASEVAC is not available and the time required to get them to a medical facility goes up exponentially?
Lastly, I will say that I believe in the men and women who fly and maintain the Sea King helicopter fleet. If such a mission were proposed to them, I have no doubt that they would execute it with professionalism and vigour. The Sea King is a robust "pick-up" truck flown and maintained by some of the best professionals in the world. I will value their counsel over that of Senator Forrestall.
Sam
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FULLY SUPPORT what Sam has said! SK folks have done wonders with their lot in life. I would be glad honoured to assist such a capability as part of any Tac Avn contribution (HQ/Comd/MTH TTPs, old t-shirts, etc...) to assist my MH brethren if they we sent to support the guys and gals in the PRT.
...hmmmm...I have to wonder; however, if the gov't is really looking to make this particular option work, or is this one of the opening moves in a long chess game? ???
Cheers,
Duey
...hmmmm...I have to wonder; however, if the gov't is really looking to make this particular option work, or is this one of the opening moves in a long chess game? ???
Cheers,
Duey
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Duey said:
Don't be surprised if you see the MH and MP sqn designators dissapear over the next few years.
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aesop081 said:
Actually, aesop, I was thinking more along the lines of what to folks higher up the food chain want to see in theatre...is it any MTH cap ASAP (for which the SK most definitely qualifies) or is it actually something else and there's a little bit of...how shall we say/comment ça veut dire...."trial balloonage"? ???
Keep a xlose eye on the "Letters to Editor" of the major papers and see where the Dept. goes from there..... [sinister mystery music in background]
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Duey said:
Gotcha......I was making my comment as the words " overland ops" is now part of the aurora vocabulary
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Is it just me, or is anyone else annoyed that Senator Forrestal saw fit to comment on what is a purely military operational decision (to deploy or not to deploy the SK), even before that decision was made?
I have a towering rant in mind, but will check fire...!
I have a towering rant in mind, but will check fire...!
Teddy Ruxpin said:
My vote is on Sam69 sending an e-mail to Senator Forrestal pointing out his comments are "absurd" and that his comments also then suggest that the Brits are "absurd" for using the Mk4's in a wide variety of operational theatres for the last 20 years or so ...
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ch124xx said:
You show me yours and I'll show you mine!! ;D
Sam
Medium lift helicopter aircraft could be leased from Canadian operators like Canadian Helicopter
Corporation (CHC) of NF and BC (plus worldwide) and or Kelowna Flightcraft, BC, plus (probably)
Skylink, Toronto. The all white Russian helicopters flying for the UN in Bosnia, for instance were
leased from CHC UK. Craig Dobbin's CHC is the largest operator of rotary wing commercial aircraft
in the world - bought some UT Sikorsky S-92's last year. But the CF "Sea King" is just not up to
Afghanistan, despite the great quality of the aircraft, and the CF maintenance which has kept in
going. Most of the RN "Sea Kings" are much newer that the CF 1963 models, because Westlands
Yeoville UK kept the aircraft in production (OEM's) for many years, right up to the late 'seventies
as I recall. The defining fact in all these posts however remains; the CF are underequipped because
of political decisions, and an apathetic public. MacLeod
Corporation (CHC) of NF and BC (plus worldwide) and or Kelowna Flightcraft, BC, plus (probably)
Skylink, Toronto. The all white Russian helicopters flying for the UN in Bosnia, for instance were
leased from CHC UK. Craig Dobbin's CHC is the largest operator of rotary wing commercial aircraft
in the world - bought some UT Sikorsky S-92's last year. But the CF "Sea King" is just not up to
Afghanistan, despite the great quality of the aircraft, and the CF maintenance which has kept in
going. Most of the RN "Sea Kings" are much newer that the CF 1963 models, because Westlands
Yeoville UK kept the aircraft in production (OEM's) for many years, right up to the late 'seventies
as I recall. The defining fact in all these posts however remains; the CF are underequipped because
of political decisions, and an apathetic public. MacLeod
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We cant seem to get the ones we own flying on a regular baisis due to some manufacturing deficts. And the maintenece for them is all civillian.
Besides
Thats all we need is something we bought for SAR used as a combat helo and having the tail rotor fall of.
Besides
Thats all we need is something we bought for SAR used as a combat helo and having the tail rotor fall of.
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There is a medium lift version of the EH-101, so it shouldn't be discarded out of hand.
However, buying the Chinook makes sense for all sorts of reasons - operational commonality with the US and UK not being the least of them. I agree that getting rid of ours was a mistake (and a decision that I still don't understand). However, they'd be getting long in the tooth themselves by now and in need of replacement.
However, buying the Chinook makes sense for all sorts of reasons - operational commonality with the US and UK not being the least of them. I agree that getting rid of ours was a mistake (and a decision that I still don't understand). However, they'd be getting long in the tooth themselves by now and in need of replacement.
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