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Royal Canadian Air Force headed to mission in Africa ‘very soon’: top general

A reasonably detailed outline of the various asks Canada's reportedly considering (and, in some cases, already turned down), via CBC.ca's Murray Brewster, shared under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42) ...
The United Nations has presented Canada with a long list of peacekeeping requests that not only include fronting a dangerous mission in Mali, but separate military and police training deployments, including one in the volatile Central African Republic.

The list, obtained by CBC News under access to information legislation, paints the clearest picture yet of the expectations of the international community following Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's declaration that "Canada is back" on the world stage.

The documents also hint at some of the diplomatic arm-twisting that's been underway, both before and after the Liberals announced last summer they would commit 600 troops and 150 police officers to international peace support operations.

Much of the content also helps explain some of the dismay, particularly among European allies at the UN, over the Trudeau government's indecision on the missions.

A spokesperson for Global Affairs reiterated in an e-mail that no decision has been made and that options are being "carefully and thoughtfully" weighed.

Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan has been opaque about where troops might end up, but informally many government officials at National Defence and Global Affairs Canada have signaled that Mali, Democratic Republic of Congo and Central African Republic were among the contending missions.

The documents, dated May 11, 2017, outline what precisely the UN and the European Union want to Canada to undertake in most of those troubled nations.

The ask for Mali is the largest and most significant.

Canadian troops are being asked to "replace (the) Dutch contingent" this year and that would involve taking over the role of being the eyes and ears of the UN mission, conducting reconnaissance and gathering intelligence on local insurgents and Islamic extremists who remain a persistent and deadly threat.

The Dutch have about 290 troops in the West African country, which is down from 400 after they withdrew their helicopter contingent.

Peacekeepers and military training

There have also been separate "repeated expressions of interest" for Canada to undertake a military training mission in Mali along the European Union, the records show, and to provide helicopters to the UN's stabilization mission there.

The German foreign ministry has sent two separate letters and the UN secretary general made a direct appeal last September, according to the documents.

Canada turned down a request that came in last August around the time the Liberal government made its announcement. The response said the country was "not yet in a position to make a decision on specifics" of the Canadian military contribution.

The Germans were particularly antsy last year because they relied on Dutch helicopter support to protect their troops.

Police reform

The UN has also requested Canada contribute to police reform and training in Mali to help instruct local security forces in counter-terror operations, deal with organized crime and gather intelligence.

Mali is the deadliest UN mission on the books right now, with more than 100 peacekeepers killed since the deployment began in 2013.

The mission is a significant challenge for the UN, said analyst Evan Cinq-Mars.

"The tactics by the armed groups, including targeting the UN mission with improvised explosive devices, really hinder the ability of the mission, not only to protect civilians but to also protect itself," said Cinq-Mars, who works out the Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect in New York.

"I think it's important for the UN and member states like Canada to really ensure that considerations for deployments are made, and that troops and police that are willing and ready and trained to perform and are fit for purpose."

On Friday, the UN debated whether to allow five African countries in the region to set up a joint counter-terrorism force to tackle extremist threats — a measure the U.S. opposes.

In addition to Mali, there was a request for Canada to undertake a military training mission — alongside France and the European Union — in the Central African Republic, where UN troops have been accused of sexual violence. It also a nation where international forces have faced increasingly attacks, including one last month that left four dead and 10 wounded.

The documents list the request as "closed," but also note that National Defence was "against" the deployment.

As well, there is separate call for "several specialized police teams" in the Central African Republic, and similar pleas for "joint patrols and community police in South Sudan." International Development Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau is expected to make a significant aid announcement for South Sudan Monday.

Marquee postings

Interestingly, Canada has been offered several marquee command positions under the UN flag, almost all of which have met with resistance at National Defence.

It is widely know that the UN asked for a lieutenant-general to lead the mission in Mali, but the documents show the ask was made twice before a Belgian general took up the post.

National Defence advised against taking that one, according to the documents.

Canada also turned down these high-profile posts:

    Brigadier-general to Kabul as a senior military adviser to the Afghan government
    Deputy commander for UN mission in Democratic Republic of Congo
    Deputy commander for UN mission Central African Republic
    Task force commander role in the Central African Republic

Canada did agree to send an officer to serve as chief of staff at the UN's military affairs branch in New York.

Cinq-Mars says peacekeeping operations in the field rely on exceptional leadership and in the absence of that there have been "breakdowns in how these missions operate" and carry out their mandates.

"I think it's a big testament that there have been a number of requests to Canada to lead particular missions," he said. "I am not particularly sure about how the UN has responded to the denials."
 
milnews.ca said:
... Meanwhile, elsewhere in Africa ... "As many as 25 Canadian soldiers, based out of Valcartier, Que., will soon take part in a revamped mission to train security forces in the troubled western African country of Niger.  Last summer, CBC News reported that regular army troops would take over an ongoing deployment, known as Operation Naberius, from Canada's elite special forces.  A handful of the highly-trained soldiers have since 2013 helped train the Niger Armed Forces in marksmanship, reconnaissance and other basic military skills ..."
An update, via French-language media - Google Translate in quote:
45eNorthern.ca learned that as part of Operation NABERIUS, approximately 24 instructors and a small coordination element in the Canadian Army Theater have recently been deployed to Niger to conduct the first of two sets of training planned for 2017 ...
IIRC, this may not count towards Canada's U.N. ask.
 
YZT580 said:
total bafflegab.  Was it at the UK meeting that he pledged troops to Africa or was that earlier?  How about creating an environment where it is safe for women to walk and children to attend school by eradicating those who would implement slavery instead i.e. Boka Harem or ISIS or those bastards who set off the ambush in Egypt?

While that sort of military action is necessary to establish peace, it is not "peacekeeping" as implied in the official Liberal mythology. If you can do the job without a Blue Helmet, then it doesn't fit the narrative.
 
Thucydides said:
While that sort of military action is necessary to establish peace, it is not "peacekeeping" as implied in the official Liberal mythology. If you can do the job without a Blue Helmet, then it doesn't fit the narrative.

That's rather baseless, considering that the Liberal ministers have gone to great lengths to explain how peacekeeping today is not the blue helmet affair of the 90s.
 
jmt18325 said:
That's rather baseless, considering that the Liberal ministers have gone to great lengths to explain how peacekeeping today is not the blue helmet affair of the 90s.

The 90's is when peacekeeping died.

Ask any Canadian on the street what our military does and I'll bet the farm they'll say Peacekeeping nine times out of ten. That is the mythology that the current government is half heartily changing the channel on.
 
FSTO said:
The 90's is when peacekeeping died.

Ask any Canadian on the street what our military does and I'll bet the farm they'll say Peacekeeping nine times out of ten. That is the mythology that the current government is half heartily changing the channel on.

I worked for two people from Yugoslavia.  Husband and wife. 

Wife:  "My country is gone."

Husband: "Why were you there?" 

To be clear and for the record - he was talking about Canada in general and the Army in particular.  I never served there.
 
jmt18325 said:
That's rather baseless, considering that the Liberal ministers have gone to great lengths to explain how peacekeeping today is not the blue helmet affair of the 90s.
In your own words or even someone else's could you explain for me what today's peacekeeping is?
 
Today's peacekeeping is war, quite simply.  It would be a lot more like Afghanistan than Cyprus.
 
One or the other. It cannot be both simultaneously.
 
jmt18325 said:
Today's peacekeeping is war, quite simply.  It would be a lot more like Afghanistan than Cyprus.

Straight from the UN page on Peacekeeping:

UN Peacekeeping is guided by three basic principles:

Consent of the parties;
Impartiality;
Non-use of force except in self-defence and defence of the mandate.

http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/operations/peacekeeping.shtml

As Loachman says, blue-helmet peacekeeping cannot be like Afghanistan, as we definitely did NOT have the consent of the Taliban and we used force for more than just self-defence.
 
JMT,
So we should stop using/ get rid of the erroneous name and stop manipulating the public?

 
jmt18325 said:
Today's peacekeeping is war, quite simply.  It would be a lot more like Afghanistan than Cyprus.

Thats "peacemaking", not peacekeeping. Two different things entirely.
 
What we call it really doesn't matter.  It's war.  Call it peacemaking if it makes you feel better.
 
Terminology matters a lot. Imprecise terminology leads to imprecise understanding, which can lead to much more serious things.
 
jmt18325 said:
What we call it really doesn't matter.  It's war.  Call it peacemaking if it makes you feel better.

Thanks ever so much, you have no idea how much that means to me.
 
Loachman said:
Terminology matters a lot. Imprecise terminology leads to imprecise understanding, which can lead to much more serious things.

They still call it peacekeeping, but you can;t have peace with terrorists groups.
 
jmt18325 said:
They still call it peacekeeping, but you can;t have peace with terrorists groups.

Yes you can. If you elect them to high political office, like they did with Gerry Adams in NI. Or Mugabe, or Mandela etc...
 
daftandbarmy said:
Yes you can. If you elect them to high political office, like they did with Gerry Adams in NI. Or Mugabe, or Mandela etc...

I don't think the ones that we're dealing with now are interested in that.
 
jmt18325 said:
What we call it really doesn't matter.  It's war.  Call it peacemaking if it makes you feel better.

That's the thing. The liberals campaigned on more PEACEKEEPING  missions and we know that a lot of canadians have  a romanticized/confused /disjointed view on what peacekeeping is.

Whats the end result? The government pulls back fighter planes that are helping kill nasty murdering terrorists  but decide 500 soldiers are going to deploy SOMEWHERE, they're just not sure yet, to get some peacekeeping done.  Somewhere in Africa which is a shit hole. Believe it was Mali where a UN peacekeeper was getting killed every 11 or 13 days?

That harmless terminology may very well get someone on this bored killed.
 
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