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Reuters: Somali Pirates Form Investment Cooperative

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Somali Pirates Form Investment Cooperative

Wednesday, December 2, 2009 12:32 AM

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HARADHEERE, Somalia - In Somalia's main pirate lair of Haradheere, the sea gangs have set up a cooperative to fund their hijackings offshore, a sort of stock exchange meets criminal syndicate.

Heavily armed pirates from the lawless Horn of Africa nation have terrorised shipping lanes in the Indian Ocean and strategic Gulf of Aden, which links Europe to Asia through the Red Sea.

The gangs have made tens of millions of dollars from ransoms and a deployment by foreign navies in the area has only appeared to drive the attackers to hunt further from shore.

It is a lucrative business that has drawn financiers from the Somali diaspora and other nations -- and now the gangs in Haradheere have set up an exchange to manage their investments.

One wealthy former pirate named Mohammed took Reuters around the small facility and said it had proved to be an important way for the pirates to win support from the local community for their operations, despite the dangers involved.

"Four months ago, during the monsoon rains, we decided to set up this stock exchange. We started with 15 'maritime companies' and now we are hosting 72. Ten of them have so far been successful at hijacking," Mohammed said.

"The shares are open to all and everybody can take part, whether personally at sea or on land by providing cash, weapons or useful materials ... we've made piracy a community activity."

Haradheere, 400 km (250 miles) northeast of Mogadishu, used to be a small fishing village. Now it is a bustling town where luxury 4x4 cars owned by the pirates and those who bankroll them create honking traffic jams along its pot-holed, dusty streets.

Somalia's Western-backed government of President Sheikh Sharif Ahmed is pinned down battling hardline Islamist rebels, and controls little more than a few streets of the capital.

The administration has no influence in Haradheere -- where a senior local official said piracy paid for almost everything.

"Piracy-related business has become the main profitable economic activity in our area and as locals we depend on their output," said Mohamed Adam, the town's deputy security officer.

"The district gets a percentage of every ransom from ships that have been released, and that goes on public infrastructure, including our hospital and our public schools."

In a drought-ravaged country that provides almost no employment opportunities for fit young men, many are been drawn to the allure of the riches they see being earned at sea.

Abdirahman Ali was a secondary school student in Mogadishu until three months ago when his family fled the fighting there.

Given the choice of moving with his parents to Lego, their ancestral home in Middle Shabelle where strict Islamist rebels have banned most entertainment including watching sport, or joining the pirates, he opted to head for Haradheere.

Now he guards a Thai fishing boat held just offshore.

"First I decided to leave the country and migrate, but then I remembered my late colleagues who died at sea while trying to migrate to Italy," he told Reuters. "So I chose this option, instead of dying in the desert or from mortars in Mogadishu."

Haradheere's "stock exchange" is open 24 hours a day and serves as a bustling focal point for the town. As well as investors, sobbing wives and mothers often turn up there seeking news of male relatives missing in action.

Every week, Mohammed said, gang members and equipment were lost to the sea. But he said the pirates were not deterred.

"Ransoms have even increased in recent months from between $2-3 million to $4 million because of the increased number of shareholders and the risks," he said.

"Let the anti-piracy navies continue their search for us. We have no worries because our motto for the job is 'do or die'."

Piracy investor Sahra Ibrahim, a 22-year-old divorcee, was lined up with others waiting for her cut of a ransom pay-out after one of the gangs freed a Spanish tuna fishing vessel.

"I am waiting for my share after I contributed a rocket-propelled grenade for the operation," she said, adding that she got the weapon from her ex-husband in alimony.

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lol!
 
Why wouldn't they? All of our organized gangs do the same thing.....
 
Cruise missile 1 : Pirate stock exchange 0

Seems to me that for the cost of one ransom, a good number of pirates could be vaporised.
 
VIChris said:
Seems to me that for the cost of one ransom, a good number of pirates could be vaporised.

And how is that strategy working out against the Taliban ?

You would kill a bunch of pirates sure. Theres hundreds+ to replace them.

Net gain : Nothing.
 
I would think it's a tougher go against the Taliban, as they're motivated by a sense of twisted ideals, whereas the pirates are motivated more by greed, and the desire to make a quick buck. Make that buck harder to get, and many will lose motivation. Take the fight to their safe zones, and the people who harbor them will be less willing to help out, no?

Looking at the issue of the Taliban, that's a case of us jumping into a fight that's been raging since before our civilization began, and is a much more uphill battle. On the cosmic scale, the Somali pirates are a much smaller problem, with shallower roots. Most, if not all of them are first generation bandits. It's not too late to make a big dent in their will to fight. That being said, I understand that many chose to plunder, as there is little other opportunity for them to provide for their communities, and piracy seems to be the viable option. I know that providing opportunities to these people will require a major shift in thinking on their part, and a very major effort on the part of the world community. My usual cynicism doubts either will occur in the foreseeable future.

What I don't understand is how it is that they have essentially advertised a bad guys hangout that is left untouched. Should this not be the kind of golden opportunity to deny them more advanced capabilities against the ships upon which they prey?
 
VIChris said:
whereas the pirates are motivated more by greed, and the desire to make a quick buck. Make that buck harder to get, and many will lose motivation.

It is much more complex than that. In fact, you are basicaly ignoring the wider issues of the situation in Somalia.


Take the fight to their safe zones, and the people who harbor them will be less willing to help out, no?

Their "safe zone" is Somalia as a whole. Some pirates are motivated by greed but large numbers are simply trying to make money to survive in a country with nothing in the way of industry or ways to make a living. They have a choice between piracy and starving to death. Do you honestly think that you can convince them to stop by sending a bomb their way ?

On the cosmic scale, the Somali pirates are a much smaller problem, with shallower roots.

The roots of the piracy problem in the region are much deeper than you think. Nothing short of fixing Somalia in its entirety will stop this.


I know that providing opportunities to these people will require a major shift in thinking on their part,

The shift in thinking, IMHO, needs to be on our part. We are trying to stop arterial bleeding with a band-aid.......


My usual cynicism doubts either will occur in the foreseeable future.

You dont see a big line of countries willing to invade Somalia do you ?

Should this not be the kind of golden opportunity to deny them more advanced capabilities against the ships upon which they prey?

Deny them what exactly ? Blow up one building will accomplish what ?

Kill one pirate and another will take his place. The solution will require much broader involvment that what you are suggesting. It will also seem to require a much better understanding of the problem than you seem to have.
 
Aviator is right. There are serious issues with that country, or any country enduring a civil war. Monkhouse touched on a great analagy. As far as a "kill'em all, let god sort them out" mentality goes, it is just not realistic to think that in a country of 9 million poor and starving, that no one will fill the boots of those killed. The lure of risk vs reward is too great to pass up. These people see a few hundred dollars a year for income if they are lucky. The word travels fast, as you could imagine, when a group of pirates can pull a few million dollars for a weeks work. Just another Alaskan gold rush, with similar motives even... IMO
 
Aviator, you do make good points about the complexity of the situation in Somalia, and I agree wholeheartedly. That's why I mentioned it won't be resolved without action from the rest of the world in my second post.

To my original post, I'm not suggesting the whole problem will be fixed with one raid, ten raids or even a hundred, I know the problem lies deeper than that. To expand my thought further, lets relate it to the war on drugs in north america. It's fairly obvious that raiding meth labs, crack houses and grow ops will never stop the problems we see in our own backyards. Education and social support are required to help stem the demand, but realistically, it's an uphill battle unlikely to be sorted out. That doesn't mean we should just give up the efforts, however. The labs need to be shut down, the pushers need to be locked up, and the grow ops torched. That's all I'm suggesting here. There's a big operation out in the open in the form of that bad guy co-op, and it's existence serves to further threaten the livelihood of all the sailors trying to earn a living in the waters off the Somali coast. Why not shut it down? Similar tactics have been used in the form of predator strikes against Taliban leadership. The results may be questionable, but doing nothing guarantees failure.

As to your point of comparing the issue to that of the Taliban, I stand behind my feelings on the matter. They are similar problems with much different roots. And while similar tactics may work as band aids to garner small victories - which is all I'm advocating - the root issues must be dealt with differently.

Willellis, I'm not saying kill em all. I'm saying knock out the obvious hot spots.

Again, just my two bits. And please, don't take anything I'm saying as an attack on your opinions. I find these kinds of debates dicey at best over the internet, as we lose all the nuances of a face to face meeting. I'm sure if we were discussing this over a pint, it could be done so in a constructive manner.

-Chris
 
I think we should launch just enough tomahawks and hellfires to knock the smug off them.  That's all.  Do it out of sheer vitriol.  The total free for all they have now is unacceptable. 
 
zipperhead_cop said:
I think we should launch just enough tomahawks and hellfires to knock the smug off them.  That's all.  Do it out of sheer vitriol.  The total free for all they have now is unacceptable.

What difference will that make beyond somehow making some of us feel better?

 
mellian said:
What difference will that make beyond somehow making some of us feel better?

Nope, that's it.  Killing for the sake of it.  Just to make them look up every once in a while and wonder if their day is about to end badly. 
Making a difference and making a statement are two different things. 
 
zipperhead_cop said:
Nope, that's it.  Killing for the sake of it.  Just to make them look up every once in a while and wonder if their day is about to end badly. 
Making a difference and making a statement are two different things.

Even then, would they get the statement? We are talking about a country that is a defacto anarchy where people killing each other, getting bombed by mortars, etc is a regular occurrence. If life goes on for many of them despite all that, what difference or statement would bombing them make?

 
The statement would be "we too can reach out and touch you from time to time.  Fair warning; we shall obliterate you at our leisure". 

I already stated there is no attempt to make a difference with this.
 
zipperhead_cop said:
The statement would be "we too can reach out and touch you from time to time.  Fair warning; we shall obliterate you at our leisure". 

I already stated there is no attempt to make a difference with this.

Then what is the point then?

They will continue to do what they need to do to survive, no matter if from time to time get bombed by some country from the other end of the world. Heck, may piss off a few to point of create new terrorists too.
 
mellian said:
Then what is the point then?

I think his point was that he agrees with you, that sending a few good-morning bombs is stupid, hence the "killing for the sake of killing" and "making a difference and making a statement" comments.
 
zipperhead_cop said:
The statement would be "we too can reach out and touch you from time to time.  Fair warning; we shall obliterate you at our leisure". 
I already stated there is no attempt to make a difference with this.

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It was demonstrated that air control saves money and lives. The first use of air control was in Egypt in 1919. In 1920, the practice was put to use again in the Sudan and then Somaliland. It was in Somaliland that the forces of a rebel leader, Mohammed bin Abdullah Hassan, also known by the British as the “Mad Mullah”, were defeated
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