PAT Platoon and Young Family Problems/Questions
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To be honest, I tried the shelter for a weekend here around Christmas and seriously, it was even worse. I had to beep in, beep out, cameras on me 24/7, people asking you and psycho-analyzing you for any fresh 'kill'. It was seriously a nightmare. At my Mother's she pretty much leaves me alone unless she wants something like money or for me to clean because her bf is coming over for the weekend....kind of like today.
Foodbanks in the area... There are 3 and I have used them a few years ago when money was tight. They give you food once a month which consists of a bag of non-perishable groceries of things like chickpeas, water chestnuts and other weird things I have yet to even wonder if it's edible. I have had stuff like cheerios that had glass in it and my 1 year old daughter (at the time) almost ate it. I stopped going to food banks after that.
I relayed all this information to my husband and he said he'll go there today and see what he can do. Yesterday was a very bad day for me and for him I guess because he thought I spent all the money because some people got about 1500 (back pay from March?). We both figured out that we're NOT getting the separation thing (so we're not considered married or having children) AND they don't think we pay rent. They have yet to meet my mother. I've considered kidnapping her and taking her car for a drive to St. Jean and dropping her off so they can see what she's like....but I don't fancy having my baby in jail, so I won't do that. Most parents don't charge their kids rent, but most parents love their kids and try to support and help them. I have to take my kids in the bathtub WITH me because she's 'too busy', 'too tired', or 'doesn't feel like it' for watching them for 10 min while I take a shower.
Anyways onto other things....
Watching you guys rant on about the family support thing was pretty funny. Technoviking's pictures made me laugh hysterically! At least I'm getting cheered up a bit ;D Thanks a lot. If anyone has any other advice on what I could do, tell my husband or even post more burning pictures, I'd be totally up for it!! :nod:
Foodbanks in the area... There are 3 and I have used them a few years ago when money was tight. They give you food once a month which consists of a bag of non-perishable groceries of things like chickpeas, water chestnuts and other weird things I have yet to even wonder if it's edible. I have had stuff like cheerios that had glass in it and my 1 year old daughter (at the time) almost ate it. I stopped going to food banks after that.
I relayed all this information to my husband and he said he'll go there today and see what he can do. Yesterday was a very bad day for me and for him I guess because he thought I spent all the money because some people got about 1500 (back pay from March?). We both figured out that we're NOT getting the separation thing (so we're not considered married or having children) AND they don't think we pay rent. They have yet to meet my mother. I've considered kidnapping her and taking her car for a drive to St. Jean and dropping her off so they can see what she's like....but I don't fancy having my baby in jail, so I won't do that. Most parents don't charge their kids rent, but most parents love their kids and try to support and help them. I have to take my kids in the bathtub WITH me because she's 'too busy', 'too tired', or 'doesn't feel like it' for watching them for 10 min while I take a shower.
Anyways onto other things....
Watching you guys rant on about the family support thing was pretty funny. Technoviking's pictures made me laugh hysterically! At least I'm getting cheered up a bit ;D Thanks a lot. If anyone has any other advice on what I could do, tell my husband or even post more burning pictures, I'd be totally up for it!! :nod:
I know what places are close enough for support and such. My husband never left information, but I have ways of obtaining what I need >
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hmmmmm
Did he declare common law when he joined or did he wait until he arrived at the school? This should actually be an easy process. There are 2 forms that should have been completed and placed on his pers file - Common-Law Partnership Application, and Statutory Declaration –Recognition or Re-establishment of a Common-Law Partnership. Been a long while but I believe at least one of the forms had to be signed by you. Without these forms the clerks hands are tied as far as getting him seperation allowance or exempt from paying R&Q. If they are on file along with all the statements you have stated have been provided I fail to understand the hang up.
Haven't looked but never heard of the requirement to provide a statement from the Landlord, receipts and a lease - used to be the statement was in place of a lease as not everyone has one. I have rented on a few occasions without a lease which in Halifax at that time made it a month to month rental.
Best bet is for him to have his chain of command run with it as the others have stated. They should be able to straighten things out in short order.
Now a suggestion on the home front - your mother sounds a lot like my mother-in-law (except she wanted us to give her money without living with her). Once the dust has settled and he is getting the proper pay look for some where else to live on a month to month lease.
Due first week May? My son is due 12 May and looking forward to the 9 months off again, although for some reason D9 thinks I should be working around the house and taking care of the other kids instead of fishing. I figure with a 16 year there I should be able to fish while he takes care of his siblings. Then again he can't take care of himself so maybe she has a point.
Chin up - there is a light at the end of the tunnel and hopefully it is not car headlights coming at you.
Did he declare common law when he joined or did he wait until he arrived at the school? This should actually be an easy process. There are 2 forms that should have been completed and placed on his pers file - Common-Law Partnership Application, and Statutory Declaration –Recognition or Re-establishment of a Common-Law Partnership. Been a long while but I believe at least one of the forms had to be signed by you. Without these forms the clerks hands are tied as far as getting him seperation allowance or exempt from paying R&Q. If they are on file along with all the statements you have stated have been provided I fail to understand the hang up.
Haven't looked but never heard of the requirement to provide a statement from the Landlord, receipts and a lease - used to be the statement was in place of a lease as not everyone has one. I have rented on a few occasions without a lease which in Halifax at that time made it a month to month rental.
Best bet is for him to have his chain of command run with it as the others have stated. They should be able to straighten things out in short order.
Now a suggestion on the home front - your mother sounds a lot like my mother-in-law (except she wanted us to give her money without living with her). Once the dust has settled and he is getting the proper pay look for some where else to live on a month to month lease.
Due first week May? My son is due 12 May and looking forward to the 9 months off again, although for some reason D9 thinks I should be working around the house and taking care of the other kids instead of fishing. I figure with a 16 year there I should be able to fish while he takes care of his siblings. Then again he can't take care of himself so maybe she has a point.
Chin up - there is a light at the end of the tunnel and hopefully it is not car headlights coming at you.
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Bzzliteyr said:newmet,
There are many more details but it was a failure in the process of how they pass info on.. the information might have gotten to me faster if they had a better way to communicate with the boys and girls in the sandbox.
makes me want to gag actually.
Apparently, putting both legs in the air is supposed to quell that, or so I've been told ;D
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There's been lots of good input in this thread.
I'm not qualified to give you an answer, but remember, the CF requires specific documentation to do certain things. This is true for everything. So, in your case, if the CF requires a signed lease and you cannot provide one, that may be part of the issue.
Ask your husband to follow his chain of command. From my experience, those at CFLRC St. Jean do what they can to lessen the 'personal family issues' so you can concentrate on BMQ. They did a good job when I did it.
I'm not qualified to give you an answer, but remember, the CF requires specific documentation to do certain things. This is true for everything. So, in your case, if the CF requires a signed lease and you cannot provide one, that may be part of the issue.
Ask your husband to follow his chain of command. From my experience, those at CFLRC St. Jean do what they can to lessen the 'personal family issues' so you can concentrate on BMQ. They did a good job when I did it.
Hello,
My husband graduates end of May/beginning of June. He gets shipped out to Borden within the day and was told he'll likely be waiting for a few months before his training as a Supply Technician. I'm just curious when those courses start and how long he may be waiting there. I have a 3 1/2 year old and 19 month old and I am having another baby at the end of May. I don't know if we get to go with him but he wants us to even if he can't get a PMQ. Can he apply and/or get one?
I have also heard that they will only pay to move you from where you were recruited from to where you are going to be posted to after training. Is this true?
Any pointers, tips, answers and or information would be greatly appreciated! I've never known anyone in the CF and it's like learning a new language! Thanks to anyone and everyone that can help out!
My husband graduates end of May/beginning of June. He gets shipped out to Borden within the day and was told he'll likely be waiting for a few months before his training as a Supply Technician. I'm just curious when those courses start and how long he may be waiting there. I have a 3 1/2 year old and 19 month old and I am having another baby at the end of May. I don't know if we get to go with him but he wants us to even if he can't get a PMQ. Can he apply and/or get one?
I have also heard that they will only pay to move you from where you were recruited from to where you are going to be posted to after training. Is this true?
Any pointers, tips, answers and or information would be greatly appreciated! I've never known anyone in the CF and it's like learning a new language! Thanks to anyone and everyone that can help out!
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Your husband should be able to get a PMQ. When he arrives in Borden he should be posted to PRETC. He should write a memo requesting a PMQ and complete a Request to Vacate Single Quarters. In his memo he must detail his situation, ie children, that you are expecting or have a newborn, etc.
The CF should pay for your move, however there are many factors that effect whether you can move to Borden or not. Our QL-3 students (nor supply cadre) that have been moved to Borden normally have their move processed through R&D, which arranges for the movers to actually move their possessions and pays for the movers. They are not entitled to many of the other benefits, posting allowance, etc.
After trades training (QL-3) they are posted to their new unit and they are posted again. For this posting they receive all of the benefits and the move is processed through IRP (Brookfiteld Relocation Service).
I do not recommend moving yourself to Borden/Angus/Barrie if you cannot get a PMQ. This causes numerous administrative problems which can be sorted out, but it takes time. Also Base Policy does not allow QL-3 students to live on the economy but it does allow students to live in PMQ's.
The CF should pay for your move, however there are many factors that effect whether you can move to Borden or not. Our QL-3 students (nor supply cadre) that have been moved to Borden normally have their move processed through R&D, which arranges for the movers to actually move their possessions and pays for the movers. They are not entitled to many of the other benefits, posting allowance, etc.
After trades training (QL-3) they are posted to their new unit and they are posted again. For this posting they receive all of the benefits and the move is processed through IRP (Brookfiteld Relocation Service).
I do not recommend moving yourself to Borden/Angus/Barrie if you cannot get a PMQ. This causes numerous administrative problems which can be sorted out, but it takes time. Also Base Policy does not allow QL-3 students to live on the economy but it does allow students to live in PMQ's.
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To add to ammocat's reply, if you move without authority, the CF will not pay for anything.
I've always understood that whether or not a member can apply for a PMQ depends on the length of their course or duration of stay in Borden. That being said, as ammocat stated, QL3 students are not allowed to live on the economy (e.g. get their own place). They either live in quarters or in a PMQ (if they can get one).
I've always understood that whether or not a member can apply for a PMQ depends on the length of their course or duration of stay in Borden. That being said, as ammocat stated, QL3 students are not allowed to live on the economy (e.g. get their own place). They either live in quarters or in a PMQ (if they can get one).
Hello,
My husband graduates end of May/beginning of June. He gets shipped out to Borden within the day and was told he'll likely be waiting for a few months before his training as a Supply Technician. I'm just curious when those courses start and how long he may be waiting there. I have a 3 1/2 year old and 19 month old and I am having another baby at the end of May. I don't know if we get to go with him but he wants us to even if he can't get a PMQ. Can he apply and/or get one?
I have also heard that they will only pay to move you from where you were recruited from to where you are going to be posted to after training. Is this true?
Any pointers, tips, answers and or information would be greatly appreciated! I've never known anyone in the CF and it's like learning a new language! Thanks to anyone and everyone that can help out!
My husband graduates end of May/beginning of June. He gets shipped out to Borden within the day and was told he'll likely be waiting for a few months before his training as a Supply Technician. I'm just curious when those courses start and how long he may be waiting there. I have a 3 1/2 year old and 19 month old and I am having another baby at the end of May. I don't know if we get to go with him but he wants us to even if he can't get a PMQ. Can he apply and/or get one?
I have also heard that they will only pay to move you from where you were recruited from to where you are going to be posted to after training. Is this true?
Any pointers, tips, answers and or information would be greatly appreciated! I've never known anyone in the CF and it's like learning a new language! Thanks to anyone and everyone that can help out!
Just thought I'd add a question as well. Is it possible for him to take parental leave until his course starts? Just another avenue maybe of thought. I have heard that it's "frowned upon". We want to do everything right but I'm open to any option. Living with my Mother is driving us all nuts!
My husband graduates BMQ this week and will be shipped off to Borden and put on a PAT platoon until his training starts (next training course starts on Sept 7th for Supply Techs). I'm curious if he'll be able to get any kind of leave and if on his first weekend (he arrives on Friday) if he'll be permitted to come home this weekend.
The thing is I just had a new baby by emergency c-section that wasn't planned and living with my Mom and my sister (who just moved in) offer no help at all. I'm actually supposed to sit in bed for the first two weeks which will not happen given I have two older children and have no help at all.
I am aware that he could likely get parental leave but we've discussed this and he feels that this wouldn't be such a good idea this soon in the start of a military job. I agree. I'm just curious if he'd be able to get a couple of weeks off or anything. If anyone has any ideas or advice I'd be gratefully thankful!
The thing is I just had a new baby by emergency c-section that wasn't planned and living with my Mom and my sister (who just moved in) offer no help at all. I'm actually supposed to sit in bed for the first two weeks which will not happen given I have two older children and have no help at all.
I am aware that he could likely get parental leave but we've discussed this and he feels that this wouldn't be such a good idea this soon in the start of a military job. I agree. I'm just curious if he'd be able to get a couple of weeks off or anything. If anyone has any ideas or advice I'd be gratefully thankful!
Far more informative people than me will probably respond, but I wonder why not utilize a month or 6 weeks of Parental Leave if he's only going to be sitting in PAT?....as long as there are no repercussions, I don't see a problem....
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