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Hybrid Electric Vehicles
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Doing my part, with a fully-CAPEX’dLEV that was manufactured in a Net-Zero factory.
Conveniently, I spent all of about 8 minutes filling up with some ULS dino juice once on a 2800km roadtrip to visit family for Christmas…oh, and did grab some dilute liquid urea at destination to top up the unicorn clean fluid tank…[summer pic, but my winter tires are slightly taller than my summers so it balances out the ever so slightly higher winter consumption]
…and after swiping a finger in the exhaust pipe…I sleep comfortably at night knowing I’m doing my part for a cleaner environment.
…when hydrogen arrives in town, I’ll give it a serious look…
lenaitch
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Although one year does not a trend make, I'm not surprised. New vehicles are expensive and EVs even moreso. Most people probably don't look at the long term cost analysis as they do the out-the-door sticker shoke. With the current prices, I doubt many people can buy cash and ss far as I know, lending agencies still use the traditional income-debt load analysis.Despite what the government wants us to do? I'm shocked...
Canada faces declining EV interest, report shows, despite push to boost sales
As Canada continues its work towards net-zero carbon emissions, including through its mandate for at least 20 per cent of car sales to be electric vehicles (EVs) by 2026, a new report showing a declining interest in the products is raising questions whether that goal is doable.
On Monday, AutoTrader.ca released its 2023 top search data into some of the most popular vehicles searched on their marketplace this year and while it showed a rise in popularity of trucks, the number showing an intent to purchase an EV has declined from one year prior.
In 2022, the data found about 68 per cent of car shoppers who did not own an EV showing an intent to purchase one amid the record high gas prices faced and the growing inflation. This year, that purchase intention has dropped to 56 per cent and while that’s still more than half of Canadians surveyed, it was still a major drop.
Canada faces declining EV interest, report shows, despite push to boost sales - National | Globalnews.ca
The data found about 68 per cent of car shoppers in 2022 who did not own an EV showed an intent to purchase one, but that dropped to 56 per cent this year.globalnews.ca
It's a seller's market so there's not a lot of deals to be had. Even if you had it, there are reports of some dealers refusing cash deals. They want you to finance the purchase through them so they get a cut.
Add that into uncertainties with the new technology such as battery life and replacement costs. Most people aren;t mechanics but we're had over a centruy to get comfortable with the technology that has evolved over that same period.
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More common sense which this Trudeau government Doesn't have.
why did they wait so long? The problems with electric vehicles has been know since the early 20th century. That is why we have ICE in the first place. The battery and rare earth mineral thing is also well known and documented. GB, Germ. Sweden are all backtracking on overall commitments due to cost and unreliability. One would almost suspect that the automotive people were milking the system for all the grants they could garner and only when the well ran dry did they start calling for a reality check
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The transformer upgrade cost sounds about right, and certainly answers the question about who’s paying for the infrastructure.
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Adding a potential 80A single load is significant and the problem will only get worse if/when EVs grow in popularity. That's roughly 40% of a typical 200A residential service to do one thing. Unless the guy in the article does long distances pretty much every day (or hauls a trailer or is hedging against EVs lower range in the cold) he can probably get by with a lower overnight charge rate. A lot of EVSEs are getting smarter and can adjust charging to time of day, total house draw, etc.
A bit of a pedant: the charger is in the vehicle, the thing you hang on the wall to plug it into is a 'charging stations (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment - EVSE)
A bit of a pedant: the charger is in the vehicle, the thing you hang on the wall to plug it into is a 'charging stations (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment - EVSE)
reports suggest that an EV doesn't begin to break even with regards to carbon savings below 100000 km. At 20 km a day that is 15 years of continuous service and that doesn't take into consideration the fact that an IC generator is required to produce most of that power in the territories. So where is the advantage?
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The EV fiasco has descended into farce. Just ask Hertz
Whether it's heat pumps or electric cars, the Government's ambitions are running well ahead of public appetite
www.telegraph.co.uk
Hertz sells off 20,000 electric cars as drivers stick with petrol
Rental giant expects to take £190m hit after blaming weak demand and high repair costs
www.telegraph.co.uk
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The chickens of folly are coming home to roost.
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Electric cars will never dominate market, says Toyota
Japanese car giant insists appeal of EVs is limited, and denies it has fallen behind rivals
www.telegraph.co.uk
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Lot's of people who follow the car market are saying that the leading edge/innovators/early adopters market has been serviced and now are not ready to buy again for sometime. The rest of the market is not eager to take risks and wants, reliable cost effective vehicles that fit their needs. Down in the US, there is a bit of a panic as the high end pickup market is also stalled, the prices of new trucks is so high that people just are not buying them. Prices of good older vehicles is staying strong. Toyota is introducing a $10,000USD ICE truck to the rest of the world and that might come here as well.
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The bolded bit is the hard part these days. Companies have pushed prices so high that most normal people can't afford them. I've been poking around a few manufacturers websites, and for zero down you're looking at $700-800+/month for 60-84 months, for vehicle like a Tucson, RAV4, Sportage, etc., depending on the trim.
That's getting outside the realm of possible for a lot of people given the rising cost of everything else as well.
Unfortunately by the time they put dual air bags, ABS, our crash protection standards and all the government required spyware/engine kill/drunk driving sensors/tire pressure sensors/back up camera etc the truck would cost $40,000 CDN or more. I would love it if they would build a truck like my Grandfather ordered new in 1970. He bought a F-100 Custom, manual windows, locks and steering, 302 with a 4 speed manual and front disc brakes. That truck served him well and though badly rusted out now is still used on the family farm to this day. Sadly there isn't any profit margin in that and the government wouldn't like the lack of add ons they demand on new vehicle which is part of what drives the price through the roof.
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