Halifax Rifles returned to Order of Battle?

[Nfld Sapper]

Do you realiaze the amount of maintenance that is required for tracked vehicles? Most if not all reserve units can not support this.

 

[CountDC]

Do you realiaze the amount of maintenance that is required for tracked vehicles? Most if not all reserve units can not support this.

Don't know about anyone else here but as I do not maintain tracked vehicles so I do not know, nor do I know how much is required for any of the other vehicles we have including ships. My knowledge of tank maintenance is that an associate in the 80's did not like to fix the tracks in the mud of Gagetown when he was armoured. I do know that reserve truckers have trucks, artillery have guns, sailors have ships so I would expect that Armoured would have at least a few tanks.

Maintenance of the army, including reserve, vehicles in Halifax was done mainly by civilians and regular force vehicle techs so I would expect the same for any tracked vehicles the reserves would have.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Reserve Armoured Units have G-Wagons to preform their tasks.

 

[George Wallace]

OK  CountDC

Drop it.  You are not a little bit outside of your Lanes; you are completely outside of your Lanes and totally taking this topic down the tubes. 

STOP NOW while you still can.

 

[aesop081]

so I would expect that Armoured would have at least a few tanks.

They dont.

 

[CountDC]

Reserve Armoured Units have G-Wagons to preform their tasks.

ah - thank you for that information.  So would it be safe to assume that they do most of their work in the G-Wagons and do their training/courses requiring hands-on armoured in Gagetown or some other base using regular force tanks?

 

[Nfld Sapper]

AFAIK NO.

But I'm sure someone from the Armoured Corps will be around to say what they train on.

 

[ArmyRick]

CountDC

Who ever said that the only thing the armoured corps ever used was tanks? Notice that it is the Armoured Corps not Tank Corps. The armoured corps currently uses Leopard 1 and 2, Coyote, LAV III, Bison, M113 and G-wagon just to name a few.

I notice you have an outdated cap badge as your icon. Your statement reveal alot about how little you know.

 

[George Wallace]

ah - thank you for that information.  So would it be safe to assume that they do most of their work in the G-Wagons and do their training/courses requiring hands-on armoured in Gagetown or some other base using regular force tanks?

No.  They DO NOT train on regular force tanks, with the exception of a few lucky soles who have managed to get into a Regular Force Tank Troop deploying to Afghanistan.  If you want more information on Reserve Armour Units and their role and employment, please paruse the ARMOUR Forum and perhaps some of the Units in Army.ca Wiki pages.  Other than that, perhaps this may also be of some assistance:


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[CountDC]

AFAIK NO.

But I'm sure someone from the Armoured Corps will be around to say what they train on.

ok, thanks again for your information. Hopefully you are right and someone from the armoured will clear that.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

so I would expect that Armoured would have at least a few tanks.

The Reserve side of the Corps gave up the Armour role a few years back.  All PRes Armd units that weren't Armd Recce before were rerolled Recce.  There was not a 1 for 1 exchange of the new Comm's systems or vehicles.  Life is not as it once was.

 

[George Wallace]

OK

Can we return the Halifax Rifles now?

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Armoured Recce Soldier:

Overview

You will operate and maintain reconnaissance vehicle, its weapon systems and its communication equipment You will be trained to fight as members of the Combat Arms team.

What They Do

As a member of a recce vehicle crew trained as a driver or an observer, an Armoured Recce Soldier has the following primary duties : Drive and maintain the recce vehicle;
Load, fire and maintain the recce vehicle’s machine-guns;
Maintain and operate the recce vehicle’s radio equipment; and
Gather and relay information about the enemy and the terrain.


Our main operational vehicule is the Gelaendenwagen vehicle, or G-Wagon. This venicule was developped by Mercedes-Benz Canada.

This vehicule is used by both the Regular and Reserve units to provide tactical transport for the following functions of command and control, liaison, reconnaissance and military police. For reconnaissance, the vehicule can be equipped with armoured doors and front windshield and additional armour protection systems kits.

 

[CountDC]

CountDC

Who ever said that the only thing the armoured corps ever used was tanks? Notice that it is the Armoured Corps not Tank Corps. The armoured corps currently uses Leopard 1 and 2, Coyote, LAV III, Bison, M113 and G-wagon just to name a few.

I notice you have an outdated cap badge as your icon. Your statement reveal alot about how little you know.

Good point - I just always associated armoured with tanks along with most people I know.

My choice of cap badge is another subject totally that now that you have mentioned it I will have to do a search and see if there is a discussion about it already.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

ok, thanks again for your information. Hopefully you are right and someone from the armoured will clear that.

Just to be clear here...

George Wallace was Armour for...I'm going to say 30+ years both Reg and Res (correct me if I'm wrong).  

 

[George Wallace]

Good point - I just always associated armoured with tanks along with most people I know.

My choice of cap badge is another subject totally that now that you have mentioned it I will have to do a search and see if there is a discussion about it already.

Lunch Break is over.  Now let's get down to business.

The problems with most of the Reserves today is the Clerical Staff.  They are the ones not getting the administration done, and if they do, it is often not in a timely fashion.  Reservists bear the brunt of these screw ups in Pay and Administration and leave in droves.  This announcement now creates yet another opportunity for people who have risen to a level above their level of competence to further screw up the lives of Reservists, in the mismanagement of yet two more (perhaps even more) Reserve Units.  As we can already see, a decision as to what kind of units these are going to be hasn't even been made, just names and locations, and even that isn't completely true.

Arguments that a metropolitan area the size of Halifax/Dartmouth and surrounding areas can not support another Reserve Unit are not logical or well thought out. 

The problems of Equipment and infrastructure have to be addressed a bit more in the future to solve the problem of the "Robbing Peter to Pay Paul" fix that seems to be the state we have once again put ourselves in with the creation of these new units.

 

[CountDC]

No.  They DO NOT train on regular force tanks, with the exception of a few lucky soles who have managed to get into a Regular Force Tank Troop deploying to Afghanistan.  If you want more information on Reserve Armour Units and their role and employment, please paruse the ARMOUR Forum and perhaps some of the Units in Army.ca Wiki pages.  

Thank you. A few lucky souls indeed - to go armour and not get the tanks somehow seems like being short changed to me. I'm sure some would be happier with the other vehicles mentioned but I know I would alway want to get to at least drive the tanks if I was armoured.

 

[aesop081]

- to go armour and not get the tanks somehow seems like being short changed to me.

Thats why the reserve MOC is called "armoured recce crewman" ......pretty much says it all.

 

[CountDC]

Lunch Break is over.  Now let's get down to business.

Arguments that a metropolitan area the size of Halifax/Dartmouth and surrounding areas can not support another Reserve Unit are not logical or well thought out. 

The problems of Equipment and infrastructure have to be addressed a bit more in the future to solve the problem of the "Robbing Peter to Pay Paul" fix that seems to be the state we have once again put ourselves in with the creation of these new units.

I would agree that Halifax is large enough in population to support a new unit but will this population give them enough qualified recruits? After the earlier post of PLF having a waiting list of recruits it may have enough recruits available. With a brigade recruiting team (also mentioned earlier by someone) instead of the individual units recruiting these people could be offered a position with the new unit. I do worry about whether or not they will be able to sustain it and do we really need another unit there? Is there not another location that would benefit more from having a new unit located there?

If I was a local CO I would be concerned about losing some of my members, especially leaders, to a new unit. The unit will need leaders to run the show and train the recruits.

There is also the problem of locating the unit (nothing new there). The armouries has always been prime space that was overcrowded with the units there. Maybe this would be a good chance for them to hit the MND up for a new armouries.

 

[Michael OLeary]

While it may be a new unit, there's been no guarantee that the announcement involves 100 new positions.  Until that additional announcement occurs (if it occurs) we should assume it's a reallocation of existing positions, either locally, regionally or nationally.