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Now if only they had a small fitness test at the recruiting center for reg f. And if anything just start using the same one they use for reserves.
Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
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Good day,
I am about to attend one of the "FORCE Clinics" that PSP is setting up to showcase the new test at my base. I've self-tested myself on everything thus far except for the sandbag drag as its not set up at our gym. From what I've read on this forum, most of you seemed to have little or no difficulty with the drag. Is there anyone here who has had difficulty? I'm asking 'cause I'm 150lbs and 5'9" and have been working on my core, back, and legs for the past few weeks. I would like to hear from "skinny" guys or gals (or friends of such) and hear any comments or advice they may have.
Thanks!
I am about to attend one of the "FORCE Clinics" that PSP is setting up to showcase the new test at my base. I've self-tested myself on everything thus far except for the sandbag drag as its not set up at our gym. From what I've read on this forum, most of you seemed to have little or no difficulty with the drag. Is there anyone here who has had difficulty? I'm asking 'cause I'm 150lbs and 5'9" and have been working on my core, back, and legs for the past few weeks. I would like to hear from "skinny" guys or gals (or friends of such) and hear any comments or advice they may have.
Thanks!
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Haggis said:
Thanks Haggis, that definitely lends some idea of what it'll be like. :nod:
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UnwiseCritic said:
When I joined the Reg Force in 1988, I had to do a weightlifting test before my intgerview - like a clean and jerk with a minimum weight requirement for the various trades. I seem to recall it wasn't around long...but it was there. They gave you a workout guide as well to prepare you for recruit school...if you failed the intake test in Cornwallis, you were on daily remedial PT until the next scheduled PT test in week 4 or 5. That was done every evening after dinner, so you had to do that AND get caught up on your kit and quarters stuff.
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It would be interesting to see what the fitness tests of the CF were from 1950 - current. And see what the differences are. I'm guessing they are substantially easier now.
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I don't think anyone who's in hasn't seen this by now, but for those who are contemplating joining, here's what's coming down the pipe regarding physical fitness testing and standards:
https://www.cfpsa.com/en/AboutUs/PSP/DFIT/Fitness/FORCEprogram/Pages/default.aspx
I know a couple of stokers who aren't going to be too happy.
https://www.cfpsa.com/en/AboutUs/PSP/DFIT/Fitness/FORCEprogram/Pages/default.aspx
I know a couple of stokers who aren't going to be too happy.
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Yep. Standards slipping EVEN lower.
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Jacky Tar said:I don't think anyone who's in hasn't seen this by now, but for those who are contemplating joining, here's what's coming down the pipe regarding physical fitness testing and standards:
https://www.cfpsa.com/en/AboutUs/PSP/DFIT/Fitness/FORCEprogram/Pages/default.aspx
I know a couple of stokers who aren't going to be too happy.
You mean this MASSIVE 18 page thread here [merged]
Chernoble said:BFTA's (Basic Fitness Training Assitant) and AFTA's (Advanced...) are able to conduct PT tests currently, they just cannot sign the CF EXPRES sheet. The training is available in Borden, hell it's even at no cost to the Unit to get on those courses! The only change they would have to make is to allow a qualifited BFTA or AFTA to sign the sheet saying you passed or failed.
As for the comments about trade specific tests, I can see it in elite fighting Units and high demand trades like SAR and Combat Diver but I don't agree that a standard combat arms soldier requires a different standard. A combat arms soldier may be required to conduct more physically demanding things on a daily basis but it is by no means extreme from my experience with 10 years in the Patricia's. I am in way better shape since leaving the Infantry than I was at any point while with it and I had zero problems conducting any of my duties to a high standard while I was.
Don't get me wrong, my job as an AC Op is much jammier physically than combat arms on a daily basis, but you don't need to be fit to be combat arms and do the job. Look around
CANARMYGEN 006 - PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING IN THE CA is out.
Para 9 states "ADMINISTRATION OF FORCE EVALUATION. THE FORCE EVALUATION WILL BE ADMINISTERED BY PSP PERS UNTIL SUCH TIME AS CA UNIT PERS HAVE BEEN TRAINED IN THE EVALUATION PROTOCOLS. TRG OF CA PERS ALREADY QUALIFIED PLQ/BMOQ-L WILL NOT OCCUR PRIOR TO JAN 2014. THE PT MODULE OF PLQ/BMOQ-A WILL BE AMENDED IN DUE COURSE TO INCLUDE ADMINISTERING THE FORCE EVAL PROTOCOL."
So it looks like testing in the army will be driven down to the unit level.
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EME101 said:
Thank god.
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The BFT will officially die for the CA starting FY14/15, FORCE is the new PT standard for the Army. This year is all pers attempt FORCE, if they fail they can do a BFT. If they fail BFT they can do EXPRES. Next year only FORCE will be accepted.
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PuckChaser said:
Post the reference for that please.
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New CANARMYGEN. I'll throw some of the text up tomorrow.
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CANARMYGEN 006/13 COMD CA 019/13
REF: A. CANFORGEN 038/13 041728Z FEB 13, LAUNCH OF NEW CAF FITNESS
EVALUATION
B. LFCO 24-02, PHYSICAL FITNESS
C. CANLANDGEN 001/09 201909Z JAN 09, LFCO 24-02 PHYSICAL FITNESS
D. B-GL-382-003/PT-001, ARMY FITNESS MANUAL
E. CANLANDGEN 026/11 041819Z OCT 11, LFCPFS AND CL A RESERVISTS
1. IN 2010, CMP AUTHORIZED THE DIRECTOR OF FITNESS (DFIT) TO REVIEW
THE MINIMUM PHYSICAL FITNESS STANDARDS (MPFS) WITH A VIEW TO
PRODUCING A NEW MPFS AND FITNESS EVALUATION. PROJECT FORCE WAS
INITIATED AND CONDUCTED IN THREE PHASES WITH CA INPUT AND SUPPORT OF
EACH PHASE. IN DEC 12, ARMED FORCES COUNCIL APPROVED THE FORCE
EVALUATION AS THE NEW CF FITNESS TEST, AS ANNOUNCED AT REF A.
2. REF E IS HEREBY RESCINDED AND REFS B THROUGH D WILL BE AMENDED IN
DUE COURSE TO REFLECT THE ADOPTION OF THE FORCE EVALUATION AS THE NEW
PHYSICAL FITNESS STANDARD FOR THE CA.
3. WHILE MY INTENT REMAINS TO HAVE ALL REG F AND RES F MBRS OF THE CA
COMPLETE A PHYSICAL FITNESS TEST EVERY YEAR, I ACK THAT THE CA DOES
NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY TO PROVIDE THE RESOURCES
NECESSARY TO TEST ALL CLASS A RESERVISTS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. I
CONSEQUENTLY ACCEPT THE RISK OF MAKING PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING A
NON-MANDATORY REQUIREMENT FOR CLASS A RESERVISTS, EXCEPT WHEN FITNESS
TESTING IS A PREREQUISITE, INCLUDING SENIOR OR COMMAND APPOINTMENT,
CAREER OR LEADERSHIP TRAINING, CLASS B OR C RESERVE EMPLOYMENT,
PROMOTION, ETC. FOR SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES, PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING
SHALL BE DONE IAW ALL APPLICABLE DIRECTIVES, INSTRUCTIONS AND ORDERS.
4. PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING IN FY 13/14. SUBJECT TO PARA (3), ALL CA
PERS WILL ATTEMPT THE FORCE EVALUATION DURING FY 13/14. IF THE FORCE
EVALUATION IS NOT LOCALLY AVAL, OR IN CASE OF A FAILED FORCE
EVALUATION, CA PERS WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE LFCPFS (I.E.
COMPLETE THE BFT). THOSE WHO FAIL BOTH THE FORCE EVALUATION AND
LFCPFS DURING FY 13/14 WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE THE
CF EXPRES TEST, RECOGNIZING THAT NO CF EXPRES QUOTE EXEMPTIONS
UNQUOTE WILL BE GRANTED BEYOND FY 13/14, EXCEPT FOR SUCH EXEMPTION
EARNED DURING FY 12/13, WHICH CONTINUES TO HAVE EFFECT FOR TWO YEARS
AFTER THE TESTING DATE, AS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.
THOSE WHO ARE CF EXPRES EXEMPT FOR FY 13/14 STILL HAVE TO ATTEMPT THE
FORCE EVALUATION DURING FY 13/14. SHOULD THEY FAIL THE FORCE
EVALUATION, THEIR CF EXPRES EXEMPTION WILL REMAIN VALID, I.E. THEY
WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO REDO A CF EXPRES TEST IN FY 13/14.
5. PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING IN FY 14/15. EFFECTIVE 1 APR 14, THE
FORCE EVALUATION WILL BE THE PHYSICAL FITNESS STANDARD FOR THE CA,
INCLUDING ALL DEPLOYMENTS. ADDITIONAL FITNESS TEST REQUIREMENTS (E.G.
ENDURANCE OR LOAD-BEARING COMPONENT) WILL BE ADDRESSED IN
MISSION-SPECIFIC DIRECTIVES AND GUIDANCE, AS APPROPRIATE.
6. SENIOR OR COMMAND APPOINTMENTS. THOSE CA PERS NOMINATED FOR SNR
OR COMD TM APPOINTMENTS IN FY 13/14 MUST COMPLETE THE FORCE
EVALUATION OR LFCPFS, WITHIN SIX MONTHS BEFORE THEIR APPOINTMENT.
THOSE NOMINATED FOR APPOINTMENTS IN FY 14/15 MUST COMPLETE THE FORCE
EVALUATION WITHIN SIX MONTHS BEFORE THEIR APPT.
7. FITNESS TESTING OF RESERVISTS. SUBJECT TO PARA (3), WHEN PHYSICAL
FITNESS TESTING IS REQUIRED, THE TEST TO BE USED WILL BE AS DESCRIBED
IN THIS CANARMYGEN. CO OF RES F UNITS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT
PHYSICAL TRAINING AND TO TEST PHYSICAL FITNESS OF MBRS OF THEIR UNIT
IF THEY HAVE THE REQUIRED RESOURCES AND OP FLEXIBILITY.
8. FITNESS TEST FOR RES F RECRUITS. CURRENT PRACTICE HAS P RES
RECRUITS DOING CF EXPRES TEST BEFORE THEY ARE ACTUALLY ENROLLED.
THIS PRACTICE WILL CONTINUE DURING FY 13/14. SUBORDINATE HQ S WILL
BE INFORMED IN DUE COURSE OF THE NEW PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING MODEL
TO BE USED FOR RES RECRUITS STARTING IN FY 14/15.
9. ADMINISTRATION OF FORCE EVALUATION. THE FORCE EVALUATION WILL BE
ADMINISTERED BY PSP PERS UNTIL SUCH TIME AS CA UNIT PERS HAVE BEEN
TRAINED IN THE EVALUATION PROTOCOLS. TRG OF CA PERS ALREADY
QUALIFIED PLQ/BMOQ-L WILL NOT OCCUR PRIOR TO JAN 2014. THE PT MODULE
OF PLQ/BMOQ-A WILL BE AMENDED IN DUE COURSE TO INCLUDE ADMINISTERING
THE FORCE EVAL PROTOCOL.
10. FITNESS REPORTING. LISTED BELOW IS WHAT CONSTITUTES A QUOTE
PASSED UNQUOTE PHYSICAL STANDARD FOR CFPAS (PER) PURPOSE FOR FY
13/14:
A. SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED FORCE EVALUATION, OR
B. SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED A BFT DURING FY 13/14, OR
C. SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED A CF EXPRES TEST, OR
D. A CF EXPRES QUOTE EXEMPTION UNQUOTE EARNED DURING FY 12/13.
11. QUESTIONS CONCERNING PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING IN THE CA CAN BE
DIRECTED TO THE ARMY G1 SVCS AT CSN 971-7279.
12. SIGNED BY LGEN P.J. DEVLIN, COMMANDER CANADIAN ARMY
REF: A. CANFORGEN 038/13 041728Z FEB 13, LAUNCH OF NEW CAF FITNESS
EVALUATION
B. LFCO 24-02, PHYSICAL FITNESS
C. CANLANDGEN 001/09 201909Z JAN 09, LFCO 24-02 PHYSICAL FITNESS
D. B-GL-382-003/PT-001, ARMY FITNESS MANUAL
E. CANLANDGEN 026/11 041819Z OCT 11, LFCPFS AND CL A RESERVISTS
1. IN 2010, CMP AUTHORIZED THE DIRECTOR OF FITNESS (DFIT) TO REVIEW
THE MINIMUM PHYSICAL FITNESS STANDARDS (MPFS) WITH A VIEW TO
PRODUCING A NEW MPFS AND FITNESS EVALUATION. PROJECT FORCE WAS
INITIATED AND CONDUCTED IN THREE PHASES WITH CA INPUT AND SUPPORT OF
EACH PHASE. IN DEC 12, ARMED FORCES COUNCIL APPROVED THE FORCE
EVALUATION AS THE NEW CF FITNESS TEST, AS ANNOUNCED AT REF A.
2. REF E IS HEREBY RESCINDED AND REFS B THROUGH D WILL BE AMENDED IN
DUE COURSE TO REFLECT THE ADOPTION OF THE FORCE EVALUATION AS THE NEW
PHYSICAL FITNESS STANDARD FOR THE CA.
3. WHILE MY INTENT REMAINS TO HAVE ALL REG F AND RES F MBRS OF THE CA
COMPLETE A PHYSICAL FITNESS TEST EVERY YEAR, I ACK THAT THE CA DOES
NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY TO PROVIDE THE RESOURCES
NECESSARY TO TEST ALL CLASS A RESERVISTS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. I
CONSEQUENTLY ACCEPT THE RISK OF MAKING PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING A
NON-MANDATORY REQUIREMENT FOR CLASS A RESERVISTS, EXCEPT WHEN FITNESS
TESTING IS A PREREQUISITE, INCLUDING SENIOR OR COMMAND APPOINTMENT,
CAREER OR LEADERSHIP TRAINING, CLASS B OR C RESERVE EMPLOYMENT,
PROMOTION, ETC. FOR SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES, PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING
SHALL BE DONE IAW ALL APPLICABLE DIRECTIVES, INSTRUCTIONS AND ORDERS.
4. PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING IN FY 13/14. SUBJECT TO PARA (3), ALL CA
PERS WILL ATTEMPT THE FORCE EVALUATION DURING FY 13/14. IF THE FORCE
EVALUATION IS NOT LOCALLY AVAL, OR IN CASE OF A FAILED FORCE
EVALUATION, CA PERS WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE LFCPFS (I.E.
COMPLETE THE BFT). THOSE WHO FAIL BOTH THE FORCE EVALUATION AND
LFCPFS DURING FY 13/14 WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE THE
CF EXPRES TEST, RECOGNIZING THAT NO CF EXPRES QUOTE EXEMPTIONS
UNQUOTE WILL BE GRANTED BEYOND FY 13/14, EXCEPT FOR SUCH EXEMPTION
EARNED DURING FY 12/13, WHICH CONTINUES TO HAVE EFFECT FOR TWO YEARS
AFTER THE TESTING DATE, AS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.
THOSE WHO ARE CF EXPRES EXEMPT FOR FY 13/14 STILL HAVE TO ATTEMPT THE
FORCE EVALUATION DURING FY 13/14. SHOULD THEY FAIL THE FORCE
EVALUATION, THEIR CF EXPRES EXEMPTION WILL REMAIN VALID, I.E. THEY
WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO REDO A CF EXPRES TEST IN FY 13/14.
5. PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING IN FY 14/15. EFFECTIVE 1 APR 14, THE
FORCE EVALUATION WILL BE THE PHYSICAL FITNESS STANDARD FOR THE CA,
INCLUDING ALL DEPLOYMENTS. ADDITIONAL FITNESS TEST REQUIREMENTS (E.G.
ENDURANCE OR LOAD-BEARING COMPONENT) WILL BE ADDRESSED IN
MISSION-SPECIFIC DIRECTIVES AND GUIDANCE, AS APPROPRIATE.
6. SENIOR OR COMMAND APPOINTMENTS. THOSE CA PERS NOMINATED FOR SNR
OR COMD TM APPOINTMENTS IN FY 13/14 MUST COMPLETE THE FORCE
EVALUATION OR LFCPFS, WITHIN SIX MONTHS BEFORE THEIR APPOINTMENT.
THOSE NOMINATED FOR APPOINTMENTS IN FY 14/15 MUST COMPLETE THE FORCE
EVALUATION WITHIN SIX MONTHS BEFORE THEIR APPT.
7. FITNESS TESTING OF RESERVISTS. SUBJECT TO PARA (3), WHEN PHYSICAL
FITNESS TESTING IS REQUIRED, THE TEST TO BE USED WILL BE AS DESCRIBED
IN THIS CANARMYGEN. CO OF RES F UNITS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT
PHYSICAL TRAINING AND TO TEST PHYSICAL FITNESS OF MBRS OF THEIR UNIT
IF THEY HAVE THE REQUIRED RESOURCES AND OP FLEXIBILITY.
8. FITNESS TEST FOR RES F RECRUITS. CURRENT PRACTICE HAS P RES
RECRUITS DOING CF EXPRES TEST BEFORE THEY ARE ACTUALLY ENROLLED.
THIS PRACTICE WILL CONTINUE DURING FY 13/14. SUBORDINATE HQ S WILL
BE INFORMED IN DUE COURSE OF THE NEW PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING MODEL
TO BE USED FOR RES RECRUITS STARTING IN FY 14/15.
9. ADMINISTRATION OF FORCE EVALUATION. THE FORCE EVALUATION WILL BE
ADMINISTERED BY PSP PERS UNTIL SUCH TIME AS CA UNIT PERS HAVE BEEN
TRAINED IN THE EVALUATION PROTOCOLS. TRG OF CA PERS ALREADY
QUALIFIED PLQ/BMOQ-L WILL NOT OCCUR PRIOR TO JAN 2014. THE PT MODULE
OF PLQ/BMOQ-A WILL BE AMENDED IN DUE COURSE TO INCLUDE ADMINISTERING
THE FORCE EVAL PROTOCOL.
10. FITNESS REPORTING. LISTED BELOW IS WHAT CONSTITUTES A QUOTE
PASSED UNQUOTE PHYSICAL STANDARD FOR CFPAS (PER) PURPOSE FOR FY
13/14:
A. SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED FORCE EVALUATION, OR
B. SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED A BFT DURING FY 13/14, OR
C. SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED A CF EXPRES TEST, OR
D. A CF EXPRES QUOTE EXEMPTION UNQUOTE EARNED DURING FY 12/13.
11. QUESTIONS CONCERNING PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING IN THE CA CAN BE
DIRECTED TO THE ARMY G1 SVCS AT CSN 971-7279.
12. SIGNED BY LGEN P.J. DEVLIN, COMMANDER CANADIAN ARMY
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Thanks MJP, I wasn't heading back to work to copy and paste. >
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