Domestic and Arctic Mobility Enhancement Project

[Prairie canuck]

The BvS10 is a troop carrier, that's it. At most it has been outfitted with a RWS. It does not tow 155mm artillery, it is not capable of 105mm cannons, it is not even 25mm cannon capable, and adding armor adds weight of course which reduces any portable armament it can carry. On paper it can have a radar and a few missiles. So if all you need in the arctic is troops then it's great. If you want some artillery or heavier crew support weapons then a larger all terrain ALL WEATHER vehicle or vehicles are required. The US does not build any larger arctic capable vehicles, military or commercial. American Oil exploration in arctic Alaska uses either Canadian or Russian built vehicles. Canada does build commercial ones and in fact is a leader in building them. They can be of a standard configuration or custom built for the customers specific needs. I don't see adding armour as a big issue.

 

[Kirkhill]

The BvS10 is a troop carrier, that's it. At most it has been outfitted with a RWS. It does not tow 155mm artillery, it is not capable of 105mm cannons, it is not even 25mm cannon capable, and adding armor adds weight of course which reduces any portable armament it can carry. On paper it can have a radar and a few missiles. So if all you need in the arctic is troops then it's great. If you want some artillery or heavier crew support weapons then a larger all terrain ALL WEATHER vehicle or vehicles are required. The US does not build any larger arctic capable vehicles, military or commercial. American Oil exploration in arctic Alaska uses either Canadian or Russian built vehicles. Canada does build commercial ones and in fact is a leader in building them. They can be of a standard configuration or custom built for the customers specific needs. I don't see adding armour as a big issue.

Kind of ish?

The BvS10 is a troop carrier. And you are right about the light armament on the front cab. But the rear platform is used for radars, mortars and rockets and the Bv206 has been used to tow trailers (wheeled and skidded) as well as 105mm light guns.

It will never be confused for a tank. But it is a very capable truck.

 

[Prairie canuck]

Kind of ish?

The BvS10 is a troop carrier. And you are right about the light armament on the front cab. But the rear platform is used for radars, mortars and rockets and the Bv206 has been used to tow trailers (wheeled and skidded) as well as 105mm light guns.

It will never be confused for a tank. But it is a very capable truck.

So Canada will restrict itself to "light" infantry north of the 59th?

Missiles, rockets, and radars are proposed but haven't been trialed yet.

 

[Kirkhill]

So Canada will restrict itself to "light" infantry north of the 59th?

Possibly. Or they could fly in proper tanks if necessary. The Norwegians, Finns and Swedes all operate Leopards in those latitudes. Where the ground permits.

 

[Prairie canuck]

Possibly. Or they could fly in proper tanks if necessary. The Norwegians, Finns and Swedes all operate Leopards in those latitudes. Where the ground permits.

Same latitudes but Canadian Tundra is like no other terrain. Narrow tracked heavy vehicles will not fair so well. Mineral or petroleum exploration is done with wide tracked vehicles for a reason. Another option is large Terra Tires (balloon).

 

[OldSolduer]

Like this bus

 

[daftandbarmy]

Same latitudes but Canadian Tundra is like no other terrain. Narrow tracked heavy vehicles will not fair so well. Mineral or petroleum exploration is done with wide tracked vehicles for a reason. Another option is large Terra Tires (balloon).

Or focus on operating more effectively in the winter, when the ground is frozen.

 

[Prairie canuck]

Or focus on operating more effectively in the winter, when the ground is frozen.

As long as whomever the opposition is cooperates by only dropping in during the winter.

 

[Prairie canuck]

Like this bus

I believe those were built by Anything Custom in Winnipeg.

 

[Prairie canuck]

Kind of ish?

The BvS10 is a troop carrier. And you are right about the light armament on the front cab. But the rear platform is used for radars, mortars and rockets and the Bv206 has been used to tow trailers (wheeled and skidded) as well as 105mm light guns.

It will never be confused for a tank. But it is a very capable truck.

As a side note, this cold be a reason to replace/retain the 105mm light guns?

 

[childs56]

The BV series of vehicles are all built under contract from GDLS systems of Hagglunds.
The Beawolf, Viking etc are all models of similar vehicles. Some armoured, some not.

It makes no sense for me to buy a BV series vehicle from an American Company when we have a company here in Canada who has already manufactured and supported similar builds in the past.

The design of the original BV was of the time leading edge for how it was designed.
The newer generation is more impressive with all the power, transmission and systems upgrades possible.

 

[lenaitch]

Like this bus

Or a Sherp. And they're amphibious.




One problem with balloon tires is a lack of speed.

 

[KevinB]

The BV series of vehicles are all built under contract from GDLS systems of Hagglunds.
The Beawolf, Viking etc are all models of similar vehicles. Some armoured, some not.

BAE owns Hägglunds. GDLS has zero to do with it.

It makes no sense for me to buy a BV series vehicle from an American Company when we have a company here in Canada who has already manufactured and supported similar builds in the past.

The design of the original BV was of the time leading edge for how it was designed.
The newer generation is more impressive with all the power, transmission and systems upgrades possible.

BAE sure as shit is not going to let Canada build any BV product when it has whelched on them before, and BAE just stood up a product line down here.

 

[childs56]

BAE owns Hägglunds. GDLS has zero to do with it.

Sorry just re read that and it should have been BAE Systems Land & Armaments

BAE sure as shit is not going to let Canada build any BV product when it has whelched on them before, and BAE just stood up a product line down here.

Not sure which deal you are referring to. Canada has backed out on so many deals with various companies it is laughable.

I find it funny that our own procurement ignores the fact that we have companies in Canada who can manufacture, build and maintain this type of equipment.

 

[childs56]

Sorry just re read that and it should have been BAE Systems Land & Armaments

Not sure which deal you are referring to. Canada has backed out on so many deals with various companies it is laughable.

I find it funny that our own procurement ignores the fact that we have companies in Canada who can manufacture, build and maintain this type of equipment.

I even messed that one up. It should be
BAE Systems Land systems Hagglunds

 

[KevinB]

Not sure which deal you are referring to.

The BV206 fleet expansion

Canada has backed out on so many deals with various companies it is laughable.

Agreed, which unfortunately makes many companies unwilling to build product lines in Canada or to license product for Canadian production.

I find it funny that our own procurement ignores the fact that we have companies in Canada who can manufacture, build and maintain this type of equipment.

Canadian companies get so many advantages already in Canadian procurement.

But the Canadian Government has made the market so unappetizing that many companies won’t pursue opportunities.

 

[daftandbarmy]

The BV206 fleet expansion

Agreed, which unfortunately makes many companies unwilling to build product lines in Canada or to license product for Canadian production.

Canadian companies get so many advantages already in Canadian procurement.

But the Canadian Government has made the market so unappetizing that many good companies won’t pursue opportunities.

There, FTFY

 

[Prairie canuck]

Or a Sherp. And they're amphibious.

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One problem with balloon tires is a lack of speed.

The Sherp only has a max speed of 30kph compared to the BvS10 at 60kph. However the Sherp has a range of 4000km vs the BvS10 at 1000km (or 4 fuel caches compared to one, logistics logistics.)

 

[Greenleaf]

Just for your knowledge we have a Canadian made sherp : The fat truck with a 4x4 or 8x8 version: Vehicles - Models - Fat Truck - Industrial off-road utility vehicles.

And they already work with rheinmetall for the Mission Master XT, an extreme-terrain unmanned ground vehicle (UGV)

Rheinmetall

Rheinmetall Mission Master is a unique family of Autonomous Unmanned Ground Vehicles to support military troops in dangerous missions with difficult conditions.

www.rheinmetall.com

 

[Kirkhill]

The Sherp only has a max speed of 30kph compared to the BvS10 at 60kph. However the Sherp has a range of 4000km vs the BvS10 at 1000km (or 4 fuel caches compared to one, logistics logistics.)

Is a 4000 km at 30 km/h (133 hours of travel time) a realistic application of the vehicle? Suppose the vehicle were employed in conjunction with a hamlet? The hamlet provides the fuel cache. 1000 km at 60 km/h (17 hours of travel time). The range might be less but the response time within the useful range will be halved. And both vehicles can haul additional POL with them to extend their range.