Component transfer to army infantry

[kimbrian]

I think I heard that the infantry is not but that is my first choice.
If not infantry, I would like to transfer to field artillery soldier or armoured.

I want to join the reg force asap. How long would it take til I get transferred and start training in my new trade?

 

[brihard]

Infantry is currently very overmanned. Nobody here can speak to your chances in any strict sense, but I'll say good luck and don't hold your breath. The infantry is trying to occupation transfer people out at a good rate. It's a bad time to be trying to get into reg force combat arms.

 

[PJGary]

Put it this way;

There are currently a number of well qualified infantry Cpl/MCpl types (I would assume others as well, but I can't speak to that), some with multiple tours, who have been sitting on a CT for a year plus (and that is just in my small network of friends).

Don't hold your breath, but if you really want it, go for it. There really isn't any harm in trying.

Have you ever considered putting in an OT to the infantry reserves in the meantime?

 

[kimbrian]

what is OT? officer training?
and is getting into infantry reserves or combat arms trade reserves more open? and how long would I wait after putting in the transfer request?

 

[MikeL]

what is OT? officer training?
and is getting into infantry reserves or combat arms trade reserves more open? and how long would I wait after putting in the transfer request?

OT is Occupational Transfer,  it means changing your job/trade in the Canadian Forces.

As for wait times,  etc it varies there is no golden answer that applies to all.

For positions available in Reserve Combat Arms units,  depends on the unit, some may have spots open, others may not.  Call the unit you are interested in to find out.

 

[dimsum]

I see you're at HMCS YORK.  There are plenty of Reserve units in Toronto which I suspect would be easier to get in than OT'ing to Reg F at the moment. 

 

[kimbrian]

i have no idea how it works in the army reserves. If I want to work 3 or 4 times a week, are there more training nights etc in the army? because as a naval band, we only meet up on Wednesdays and every month theres one training saturday . so only like 4-5 times a month.
In the army reserves, will i be able to complete SQ, occupational training whenever they are happening? because I won't be going to school next year. What I'm hoping to do then is to OT into an army reserve in Toronto and put in my CT request for reg force and wait until I'm picked up for reg force army.

 

[PJGary]

i have no idea how it works in the army reserves. If I want to work 3 or 4 times a week, are there more training nights etc in the army? because as a naval band, we only meet up on Wednesdays and every month theres one training saturday . so only like 4-5 times a month.
In the army reserves, will i be able to complete SQ, occupational training whenever they are happening? because I won't be going to school next year. What I'm hoping to do then is to OT into an army reserve in Toronto and put in my CT request for reg force and wait until I'm picked up for reg force army.

There are often opportunities to work more than just scheduled parade nights, including odd days (Class A) or contracts (Class B). However, you are often required to be at least trade qualified for some of them, and it is all dependant on what is going on and who needs a helper in exchange for a days pay. As far as unit training, it all depends what unit you are with, and their respective training schedule, so I can't give you a for sure answer. However, in my time at my current unit there is usually at least the chance to get two weekends of work per month on average.

As for your next question, are you saying "Will I be able to get my training done? Because I won't be in school." or "I wont be in school so I want to go reg force."?

You should have plenty of opportunity to do your branch and trade training. The brigades are very good at running courses on schedules that allow all different types of people with different civvy lives the chance to become fully trained. Therefore if you aren't in school or doing anything else, you should have no problem finding the time to be course loaded.

 

[kimbrian]

When I go in for training night tomorrow night I'm going to put in request for component transfer to either Infantry (which i believe is more than closed... probably trying to get guys transferred OUT) or to combat engineer (it says on force.ca browse jobs that they are accepting applications.. though I don't know if it's accurate or if they update it often)

I'm going from Navres to reg force and... I'm hoping to start at September or October but hopefully no later... Until then it is 8 months of time...
Do you guys think that my first choice (infantry) will get through by that time?
If not, how long would I have to wait until I get into combat engineer reg force (since it's more open than inf)?

btw I've completed BMQ at NRTD borden 2011 and was told that I won't have to do it again to transfer to reg force.
My medical, security, and pt is also upto date.

And are there any way for me to keep informed about trade openings and closings? Through this forum or even any else?

Lastly! haha.  if i get into combat engineer regiment for that minimum 3 years service, can i not request transfer to infantry before that 3 years is finished? (I'm guessing not).

 

[blacktriangle]

Are you absolutely dead set on something in the combat arms, or would you be willing to try something else if it was available? You might find a good fit for yourself in another trade, if you haven't taken the time to look. If you have looked and are dead set on Cbt Arms, do not give up and just make sure to find ways to keep busy while you wait.

Good luck!

 

[kimbrian]

I've decided that I want to component transfer into infantry for sure.

I'm going to be putting in the request for the transfer next Wednesday.

What are some tips in how to help the process go through faster?
(ex.  online vs paperwork)

I'm aware that they would choose primary reservists transferring over civilian applicants. Is that true?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Just some terminology stuff:

Component Transfer means tranferring between components (Reg, Reserve, Supplementary Reserve Force)

Occupational Transfer/Remuster means switching trades from one to another.

You can apply for a CT (staying in current MOC, changing components), an OT (changing trades but not components) or a CT/OT (if I need to explain that...).

If you are staying in the PRes Component and are looking for an OT/remuster, then you need to read CFAO 49-11.

If you want to do a CT/OT to Reg Force infantry, you'll have to put in a CT application. 

Also, try searching thru the Occupational and Component Transfer threads/board as lots of your questions might already have been answered.

 

[Demosthanes]

Kimbrian:
Your best bet for cbt arms is field artillery followed by bird gunner, then infantry.  Cbt Eng is even more bloated than Inf.  If you really want to be regular force, stick with the musician side and then do an OT once you have reached the functional occupation point in your trade.  You should hit that inside of three years barring injury.
The selection boards for CT are twice per year and they focus on the trades that are under strength, which are Musn and Fd Arty.  Given the previous post that stated over a year for experienced P Res Inf, I believe you will have a long wait...

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Kimbrian:
Your best bet for cbt arms is field artillery followed by bird gunner, then infantry.  Cbt Eng is even more bloated than Inf.  If you really want to be regular force, stick with the musician side and then do an OT once you have reached the functional occupation point in your trade.  You should hit that inside of three years barring injury.
The selection boards for CT are twice per year and they focus on the trades that are under strength, which are Musn and Fd Arty.  Given the previous post that stated over a year for experienced P Res Inf, I believe you will have a long wait...

For  Reg Force NCM OTs and Reassignments, the applicable policy is still CFA0 11-12, which requires 48 months service (except for MOCs falling under LOTP) and QL4 qual (QL3 if the MOC has no QL4).

The draft DAOD (5002-OT) that will replace CFA0 11-12 while introduce the OFP (Operationally Functional Point) into the OT process/policy but...its still a draft at this time. 

IMO, having taken a quick look thru the 16 page draft DAOD ( v4) its a huge improvement and removed some of grey areas and "consolidated" info nicely.

Just pointing out that OFP isn't going to play a part yet.

 

[kimbrian]

48 months of service?
Is that not the case if you're already in reg force and you wish to do OT?
I'm currently PRes fresh out of basic wanting to start my full time career in the reg force.

So right now the most open combatarms trade is field gunner?
And Demosthanes, what do you mean selection boards focus on trades under "strength" like musn and fd arty?

Demosthanes, by long time how long do you mean? Because I'm doing my QL3, 4, and NBNR during the summer as PRes musician
I'm requesting CT (to reg) and OT (to inf/ arty)  next Saturday  21 Jan.  and willing to wait 8-12 months from that date.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

If you are staying in the PRes Component and are looking for an OT/remuster, then you need to read CFAO 49-11.

If you want to do a CT/OT to Reg Force infantry, you'll have to put in a CT application. 

The 48 months of service applies to Reg Force NCM OTs. 

If  you are staying PRes...read the CFAO identified above.

 

[kimbrian]

........ third time saying I'm  CT/OT        FROM PRes musn  TO Reg combat arms

 

[brihard]

........ third time saying I'm  CT/OT        FROM PRes musn  TO Reg combat arms

Yes, we caught that. As he said above, read the applicable CFAO to understand where you sit. If you're looking at committing yourself to the regular force, you'd be well advised to do some basic research before jumping in blind with both feet.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

........ third time saying I'm  CT/OT        FROM PRes musn  TO Reg combat arms

So you are suggesting this thread contains clear, concise info from you and I am stupid and just missed it...

I want to join the reg force asap. How long would it take til I get transferred and start training in my new trade?

and is getting into infantry reserves or combat arms trade reserves more open? and how long would I wait after putting in the transfer request?

In the army reserves, will i be able to complete SQ, occupational training whenever they are happening? because I won't be going to school next year. What I'm hoping to do then is to OT into an army reserve in Toronto and put in my CT request for reg force and wait until I'm picked up for reg force army.

When I go in for training night tomorrow night I'm going to put in request for component transfer to either Infantry (which i believe is more than closed... probably trying to get guys transferred OUT) or to combat engineer

I'm going from Navres to reg force and... I'm hoping to start at September or October but hopefully no later... Until then it is 8 months of time...
Do you guys think that my first choice (infantry) will get through by that time?
If not, how long would I have to wait until I get into combat engineer reg force (since it's more open than inf)?

I gave you the goddamn CFAOs for Reg and Res OT/remuster.  I ALSO indicated if you wish to CT, you need to do a CT application.

If you want to do a CT/OT to Reg Force infantry, you'll have to put in a CT application. 

It's twerps like you who piss people like me off, when I answer questions you should be taking to your fucking Chain of Command in the first place, and then you get your attitude going when your confusing posts lead people like me to cover basically how to do any of the possible combinations, and thats not even good enough for you.  :facepalm:

IF YOU WANT TO CT FROM PRES ANYTHING TO REG FORCE ANYTHING, YOU SUBMIT A COMPLETED CT APPLICATION.


Is that clear enough now?  :facepalm:

 

 

[Demosthanes]

So right now the most open combatarms trade is field gunner? - Of the choices you've mentioned, yes.
And Demosthanes, what do you mean selection boards focus on trades under "strength" like musn and fd arty? - Each trade has an ideal number of personnel.  Full strength is when the ideal number is bang on. Those occupations with numbers below the ideal will get more attention from recruiters and intake specialists to bring the numbers up to ideal.  The CT folks at HQ are part of the intake specialists.

Demosthanes, by long time how long do you mean?  - Depends on the trade, for INF, the wait could be years.  Depends on your file being complete before the boards sit.  Missing any data needed for the board and you wait another six months.  The folks you're dealing with are going flat out every day due to the huge amount of files that are processing.  If a files is one of 30 they are looking at and it's the only one not complete then your wait will be longer.  Because I'm doing my QL3, 4, and NBNR during the summer as PRes musician
I'm requesting CT (to reg) and OT (to inf/ arty)  next Saturday  21 Jan.  and willing to wait 8-12 months from that date.