CFHA Residential Housing Unit (RHU)-old PMQ [MERGED]

[pfl]

Why the hell are single people allowed to get PMQ's? Roomates?! wtf  This is the military not f'ing lets play while the parents are away.
If when I get to Borden I have to wait for a PMQ due to other military personnel w/familes I dont mind, if theres a bunch of frat party retards Im gonna flip. Or just move off base lol

 

[Snafu-Bar]

Well me being single, why should we be left out if we feel that staying on base is better than renting an apt at higher costs? Sure availability should have priority when it comes to wives and children, but if there's vacancies why shouldn't a couple of guys be able to accupy it in the mean time?

Cheers.

 

[SupersonicMax]

SNAFU, availability now doesn't mean availability later.  The PMQ you will take now may be required in a year or two by a family....

 

[Franko]

SNAFU, availability now doesn't mean availability later.   The PMQ you will take now may be required in a year or two by a family....

They can't evict you unless there is a shyte load of complaints against them either.

Believe me, it took over 2 years to get rid of 3 monkeys around my old Q...the final complaint was them beating their dog.

SPCA, charges placed and they were gone.

But again, I digress.

Anyone in the know...why are the Qs not being replaced?

Regards

 

[Snafu-Bar]

If a family is taking over so be it, then i consider that reasonable grounds to be forced to take an APT. If it's just sitting empty then i consider it a waste.

 

[vonGarvin]

If a family is taking over so be it, then i consider that reasonable grounds to be forced to take an APT. If it's just sitting empty then i consider it a waste.

See the previous two posts.  And remember that the "M" in PMQ stands for "married", not "for single dudes if there aren't married people around."
There are Single Quarters, and there are Married Quarters.  Single people in one, married in the others.

Anyway, I digress

As for why they aren't building new ones, I haven't the foggiest idea.  It may have to do with some obscure rule about square footage allowed to CFHA, or it may have to do with $, in other words, they dont' have to pay to upgrade rotting infrastructure.  Or to heat it.  Or maintain it.

 

[pfl]

There are Single Quarters, and there are Married Quarters.  Single people in one, married in the others.

+1

 

[Mjohns]

Having PMQed in Gagetown and Edmonton the problem remains.  G-town consistently condemns PMQs as soon as tenants leave them.  I don't know about the last few years but when I was there there was no drive to rebuild/replace those Qs.  They remained vacant and condemned. 

I can certainly attest to the fact that my current Q could be condemned

There seems to be some short sightedness in the CFHAs plan (not a huge surprise).  Yes the Qs need to be replaced... but it would help if there was something to move into in the mean time.  I know WATC put the huge rush on and got Qs... maybe this is indicative of something else??  They don't want to build small scale?

I dunno but it is very frustrating to be sure.

Matt

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Why the hell are single people allowed to get PMQ's? Roomates?! wtf  This is the military not f'ing lets play while the parents are away.
If when I get to Borden I have to wait for a PMQ due to other military personnel w/familes I dont mind, if theres a bunch of frat party retards Im gonna flip. Or just move off base lol

Perhaps, rather than "flipping" as a no-hook Private  : on a Training Base, you can start by reading up on some of the applicable regulations such as (which I am sure the Chief Clerk at 16 Wing - CFSATE is familiar with):

1)  QR & O Vol I, Chap 28.

28.08 – ALLOTMENT OF FAMILY HOUSING
 
(1) Subject to articles 28.06 (Entitlement to Occupy Family Housing) and 28.30 (Family Housing for Civilians), family housing shall be allotted in accordance with orders issued by the Chief of the Defence Staff.
   
(2) No officer or non-commissioned member to whom family housing has been allotted shall be dispossessed of the family housing without the approval of the officer commanding the command.

* note - students of CFSATE do not meet the rank requirements in 28.08(2).

2)  DAOD 5024 which refers to the DND Living Accomodation Instruction  (the .pdf file is 656kb in size so its too large to attach).

The ways in which PMQ are allotted changed DRASTICALLY in recent years.  You might want to start researching directives, policies and the like before you go 'sorting people out'. 

 

[pfl]

Well Eye in The Sky believe it or not I'm actually going to Thank You for the info ;D

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Yes the Qs need to be replaced...

I do not accept this premise.

How about we tear them all down, stand down CFHA, and take all of the funds that go to being an exceedingly average landlord, and allocate same to a housing allowance so that all soldiers can afford decent housing?

And before anyone throws in the "there is no rental housing in Petagagemonton", if the private sector is given enough heads up, they will provide.

 

[navymich]

Sorry RBD to continue this off topic conversation, but to add to Eye's post: for those of you unable to get to the intranet to see the link that was posted, you can view an article on the same topic here in the Maple Leaf.

The allocation of DND Living Accommodations will fall solely to the CF Housing Agency (CFHA). Allocation will be based on household size, on a “first come, first served” basis. So, except for Designated Houses, your position, rank and marital status will not be used to determine where you are on the waiting list, nor will these determine the housing allocated to you.

 

[vonGarvin]

And before anyone throws in the "there is no rental housing in Petagagemonton", if the private sector is given enough heads up, they will provide.

"Build it, and they will come"...or rather "They will come, and they will build it"...or "They build because they are coming"....or words to that effect.

 

[geo]

IIRC, some years ago, the Australian gov't started dealing with entrepreneurs - to provide housing.
It tendered out guaranteed occupation for XX years at $yyy in rental income.  At the end of same said years, the contract could be renewed or the gov't could turn around and put out new tenders for new housing.

Not certain how this deal turned out (where's Wes when we need him ?) but, going to the private sector instead of maintaining this monstrosity called CFHA might be a good start.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Well Eye in The Sky believe it or not I'm actually going to Thank You for the info ;D

Well, it was just some advice, and hopefully a pointer for you to start looking up some of the policies you will find yourself head-scratching your way thru in the CF.  It wasn't a "hey dummy" post. 

 

[mckie0514]

See the previous two posts.  And remember that the "M" in PMQ stands for "married", not "for single dudes if there aren't married people around."

Actually the "M" now stands for Military...Private Military Quarters.  This changed last year I believe.

 

[Mjohns]

Geo:

When I was working as an AdC a month ago I was escorting an Aussie Wng Comdr and that was the exact plan they laid out.  Effectively the Mil bought a subdivision and leased it, very low cost, to its members.  Once the houses reached a certain age (10 years I believe) they sold them off and took over a new "subdivision".  This is grossly simplified of course, but basically how they went about doing it.  According to him it has been a rousing success.

For those members not within a reasonable distance to the "subdivision" for their employment a subsidy program was established.

PPCLI Guy:

You're point is valid.  Imagine if we had sold Griesbach with the intent to actually re-inhabit it on a large scale... guaranteed purchase to the developers.  They'd probably jump at the chance.

Matt

 

[Eye In The Sky]

RBD,

I am not sure about everywhere else but, some of the PMQs here in Shearwater are being redone, completely.  One was torn to the guts, just the frame left up and now its back up complete.  

I think CFHA is behind the 8 ball; the 'big drive' to recruit new soldiers, sailors and airmen/women, and then not enough housing to hold all the people who, for various reasons, don't or can't buy a house off base.

I also do not think the prioritization of the available PMQs is being done correctly;  IMO, a 'family' should have the first shot over single people with no dependants (as defined by the CF).  I would suggest that rather than correcting the previous way, they overcorrected to the point it is TOO wide open now.

My biggest pet peeve is how CFHA charges based on CMHA (cough Mafia cough) assessment of the real value in todays market, for MQs that were build decades ago, and have not, for the most part, had ANY significant improvements in a long time.  These properties were most likely paid for ages ago, and yet they still charge more and more each year for the MQs.  They can't even use 'rising fuel costs' for the Shearwater ones, as all heating is out of the occupants wallet.

I realize CF mbrs should pay a reasonable shelter charge but...this CMHA BS for assessing how much that is goes outside of that reasonable part IMO.  What with rising heating costs, that surely, are offset with PLD (which is really only 66% of what is actually allotted as 1/3 is sucked back in taxes...awesome beneift  :) but I don't think the formula and amounts are right yet.

Before the pile up starts...no I do not live in a PMQ  ;D but I DID in Shearwater in the past and what I said is based on what I see and know from being here in NS, the highest taxed English province in Canada.

 

[kratz]

In Borden, as the PMQs are vacated, they are alos being gutted to the frame and built back up. There is one down the street from us that has been undergoing this process for the pas t two months and still does not any drywall up yet.

I agree rental rates are crazy. I understand they are to match local conditiions, but as mentioned above these places have been paid for years ago, many times over. As well, the square footage of the PMQs is smaller than what the rental rates are being charged IMO. As with Shearwater, you pay for your own heating in the Qs here in Borden.

 

[Strike]

WRT priorities, not sure how it works although I do know that Trenton uses them.  Friend of mine was considered a Pri 3 (Civvie working for the base) and could easily get bumped down the waiting list by higher priorities.  But once she got a Q she no longer had to worry about being bumped.