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CFB Borden gets first female commander

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So, let's put this headress tangent to bed and quit veering the original topic off course please.

You guys and your hats, I swear.......

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A change in command parade in short sleeves?
I never seen that during my time in.
When I seen it on the news yesterday to me it looked 2nd class.
When I was in I didn't particularly like dressing up for change of command parades but they at least looked more professional.
 
X Royal said:
A change in command parade in short sleeves?
I never seen that during my time in.
When I seen it on the news yesterday to me it looked 2nd class.
When I was in I didn't particularly like dressing up for change of command parades but they at least looked more professional.

Yup. Sticking troops out on a parade square wearing full uniforms in 35+ degree heat, for the sake of looks, is what we've all come to expect of The RCR. Health & welfare be damned. Just so long as they look good, passed out face down, on the pavement. ;)
 
recceguy said:
Yup. Sticking troops out on a parade square wearing full uniforms in 35+ degree heat, for the sake of looks, is what we've all come to expect of The RCR. Health & welfare be damned. Just so long as they look good, passed out face down, on the pavement. ;)

Wait, are you supposed to be joking?  ;D
 
Although I congratulate her on her new command she looked like a bag of crap in her over sized uniform.
Maybe it's unreasonable to expect commanders of our major bases to look professional. :o
 
X Royal said:
Although I congratulate her on her new command she looked like a bag of crap in her over sized uniform.

Maybe she was reading army.ca fitness section and lost a lot of weight and didn't get replacement DEUs in time?

Personally I get put off by stories like this. Should we highlight when a base gets a first native american commander? Or first gay commander? Or first black Jewish commander?

I think there is good intentions behind stories like this but to me it comes across a little embarrassing. If I were in her shoes my response would have been "Yea I'm a female get over it I have shit to do"
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X Royal said:
A change in command parade in short sleeves?
I never seen that during my time in.
When I seen it on the news yesterday to me it looked 2nd class.
When I was in I didn't particularly like dressing up for change of command parades but they at least looked more professional.

Canada's Army did short sleeve C of C parades all the time in the summer in the thirties.  Short sleeve order and pith helmets was regular summer training dress during the period of empire.
 
ObedientiaZelum said:
Maybe she was reading army.ca fitness section and lost a lot of weight and didn't get replacement DEUs in time?

Personally I get put off by stories like this. Should we highlight when a base gets a first native american commander? Or first gay commander? Or first black Jewish commander?

I think there is good intentions behind stories like this but to me it comes across a little embarrassing. If I were in her shoes my response would have been "Yea I'm a female get over it I have crap to do"
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I disagree, we need to highlight women as equals in our military.  In that way the crapheads like Gen Menard cannot use their rank and our military as their own personal sexual hunting ground. 
 
fraserdw said:
I disagree, we need to highlight women as equals in our military.  In that way the crapheads like Gen Menard cannot use their rank and our military as their own personal sexual hunting ground.

I disagree with you disagreeing, sir.

I feel people's minds are already made up.  if you think women are below you and lesser, highlighting a female officer as a base commander will likely not change your perspective on their gender. I don't know how many times I've heard a reaction to a woman's rank or accomplishments as "wonder who she slept with". I think that mentality is garbage. 

I'm a (handsome) while straight male so I've never experienced racism or prejudice directed towards me but if you don't mind me respectfully asking to use you as an example Fraserdw;  I think you've identified yourself as being native?  If so, how would it make you feel if you were singled out for being native when you achieved an accomplishment?
First native american soldier to win a MSM (or something). Would you feel like your accomplishment is diminished because you're race was a key factor in a story about you?  Or am i taking it totally out of context.
 
X Royal said:
A change in command parade in short sleeves?
I never seen that during my time in.

My unit did that a few weeks ago. It was 42 degrees outside.
 
95 or 96 Base change of command for Borden was out side on the S parade square. SS order All was great till the rain came. Air force blue is transparent when wet as one poor Female MCpl discovered. Next day Base RO's posted dress reg's stating that a bra will be worn under SS order.
 
X Royal said:
Although I congratulate her on her new command she looked like a bag of crap in her over sized uniform.
Maybe it's unreasonable to expect commanders of our major bases to look professional. :o

I would be more likely to blame that on the cut of the DEU pants for women.

Also going to a change of command parade in Halifax next week where dress is 3Bs.
 
Congratulations to Col Harris on her new command.

A change in command parade in short sleeves?
I never seen that during my time in.
When I seen it on the news yesterday to me it looked 2nd class.
When I was in I didn't particularly like dressing up for change of command parades but they at least looked more professional.

We were in short sleeves last year for several change of command parades; It happens all the time for parades in hot weather.

Photographic evidence:

1 Cdn Air Div: http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/vital/v2/nr-sp/images/2011/07/wg2011-0269-22.jpg
2 Cdn Air Div: http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/vital/v2/nr-sp/images/2011/07/wg2011-0267-07.jpg (Hey, I can see myself!)
Also for 17 Wing / AFTC, but I can't find a picture.

 
Guy Incognito said:
Congratulations to Col Harris on her new command.

We were in short sleeves last year for several change of command parades; It happens all the time for parades in hot weather.

Photographic evidence:

1 Cdn Air Div: http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/vital/v2/nr-sp/images/2011/07/wg2011-0269-22.jpg
2 Cdn Air Div: http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/vital/v2/nr-sp/images/2011/07/wg2011-0267-07.jpg (Hey, I can see myself!)
Also for 17 Wing / AFTC, but I can't find a picture.

The Air Div CWO's holstered BB is a nice touch...  ;)
 
ArmyVern said:
No. She's wearing her beret which is a no-no IAW Dress Regs. Only tan people get to do that.  ;)

Sorry, ArmyVern - check A-AD-265-000/AG-001 Annex C. Beret is authorized for RCAF No 3 order of dress. And let's keep the racism down in the mess, please.
 
Jacky Tar said:
Sorry, ArmyVern - check A-AD-265-000/AG-001 Annex C. Beret is authorized for RCAF No 3 order of dress. And let's keep the racism down in the mess, please.

A fact that was already pointed out on the first page of this thread.
 
Ostrozac said:
My copy of the Dress Pam (Version 2011-06-01) certainly says that wearing a beret with Air Force DEU is approved with number 3 (service dress). Air Force DEU number 1 (ceremonial) remains no berets. Chapter 5, Para 5. So I think that picture of the Colonel in number 3 (DEU Tunic and Ribbons) is perfectly legit.

Has there been a change? Sometimes higher headquarters will order changes, but not actually update the pam.

New CANAIRGEN:
CANAIRGEN 2012

01  01  021939Z AUG  12  ZZ      UUUU                C AIR FORCE

NDHQ C AIR FORCE OTTAWA

CANAIRGEN

UNCLAS C AIR FORCE 30/12

SIC WAF

BILINGUAL MESSAGE/MESSAGE BILINGUE

CANAIRGEN 019/12


 
SUBJECT: RCAF HEADDRESS
Original word document



REFS: A. CANAIRGEN 15/11 REINSTATEMENT OF ROYAL CANADIAN AIR FORCE
B. A-DH-265-000/AG-001, DATED: JUN 11
SUBJECT: RCAF HEADDRESS

1. AS INDICATED IN REF A, THE RCAF NAME WOULD BE REINTRODUCED IN A
PHASED APPROACH. PART OF THAT PROCESS INCLUDES THE SAFEGUARD OF THE
TRADITIONAL IMAGE OF THE RCAF. THIS IMAGE INCLUDES THE WEARING OF
THE WEDGE CAP AS THE OFFICIAL RCAF HEADDRESS. AS SUCH THE WEARING OF
THE RCAF BLUE WEDGE CAP WITH NO COLOURED INSERT WILL BE MANDATORY
FOR ALL MEMBERS WEARING THE RCAF ORDER OF DRESS 1 AND 1A.  THE WEAR
OF OTHER HEADDRESS WITH OPERATIONAL AND SERVICE DRESS WILL BE IN
ACCORDANCE WITH REF B


2. RCAF CWO BRIEFED THOSE CHANGES TO THE AIR COMMAND CLOTHING AND
DRESS COMMITTEE AND THE NATIONAL DEFENCE DRESS AND CLOTHING
COMMITTEE. MODIFICATIONS TO REF B ARE FORTHCOMING. NECESSARY DETAILS
OF THIS POLICY WILL BE FORWARDED THROUGH RCAF COC FOR FURTHER
DISSEMINATION
3. IN THE EVENT OF AN EXCEPTIONAL FORMAL CEREMONY, IE FUNERALS,
INTERNATIONAL COMMENDATIONS, UNITS OR SPECIFIC GROUPS MAY REQUEST
THE WEAR OF THE BERET IN WRITING TO 1 OR 2 CDN AIR DIV COMDS. EACH
REQUEST WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR APPROVAL BY APPROPRIATE DIVISION
COMMANDERS.


4.THIS WILL NOT ALTER THE RIGHTS OF RCAF PERSONNEL TO WEAR THE YUKON
HAT OR THE SIKH COMMUNITY TO WEAR A TURBAN WHEN AUTHORIZED TO DO SO
5. IDENTIFICATION AND SENSE OF BELONGING TO SPECIFIC TRADES, GROUPS
AND COMMUNITIES WILL STILL BE DISPLAYED ON RCAF UNIFORMS WITH
ENVIRONMENTAL, FLYING, SPECIALIST AND OCCUPATION BADGES


6. FROM THE PUBLICATION DATE OF THIS CANAIRGEN THERE WILL BE A 30
DAY TRANSITION PERIOD FOR THE APPLICATION OF THIS POLICY


7. QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ARE TO BE DIRECTED TO THE EA RCAF CWO, MWO
A DONALDSON-DILELLO CSN 995-0519 OR RCAF CWO, CWO M BARHAM CSN
995-4245.



 
Jacky Tar said:
Sorry, ArmyVern - check A-AD-265-000/AG-001 Annex C. Beret is authorized for RCAF No 3 order of dress. And let's keep the racism down in the mess, please.

Holy fuck; nothing like necroposting a few months late eh?

We figured that out two months ago. 

Racism!!?? Where the heck is that?? Link please - that's a pretty serious statement to be making about someone.
 
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