CF 18 loses parts over Lake Ontario

[TCBF]

"It's a good thing his Pepto Bismol, inflatable sheep and '51 Chateau Cabernet didn't fly out of the open luggage bin too "

- Not to mention all of the Lobsters:  "ONE THOUSAND, TWO THOUSAND, THREE THOUSAND, FOUR THOUSAND, CHECK CANOPY..  Wait!  I'm a freakin LOBSTER!  What am I doing here ahhhhhhhhhhh...."

 

[aesop081]

First McDonnell-Douglas Northrop F-18A Hornet came into CF strength in July 1982. It became
the CF-18A Hornet -

The US designation is F/A-18A Hornet...the Canadian designation is CF-188

 

[Inch]

There have been incidents like this in the past, that have brought down the aircraft, although that is much more commin in rotor wing flight, than fixed wing.
Just my 2 cents.

You've got proof of that? I fly helos and an open compartment on a helo isn't a huge concern, hell, we fly with the windows open all the time and the door open on occasion. Speed is the problem when your aerodynamics are changed (ie open cargo compartment, etc), since speed isn't a huge factor in helos, open compartment aren't usually a problem either unless it's something that can contact the rotor.

and MacLeod, it's officially known as the CF-188A/B. You should know that all our aircraft have 2 letter and 3 number identifiers.

 

[mover1]

It's a good thing his Pepto Bismol, inflatable sheep and '51 Chateau Cabernet didn't fly out of the open luggage bin too ;D

And I always get slammed for making irrelevant posts.

Actually I belive with the recent upgrades its now being called the  CF-18M

Note: The CF-18 is officially designated the â Å“CF188â ? in Canadian use, although that identity is rarely employed except in the most official or technical documentation.) (quote from the official airforce web site)

 

[Inch]

Note: The CF-18 is officially designated the â Å“CF188â ? in Canadian use, although that identity is rarely employed except in the most official or technical documentation.) (quote from the official airforce web site)

Yes true, like pilot log books that we fill out after every flight.

 

[Sam69]

First McDonnell-Douglas Northrop F-18A Hornet came into CF strength in July 1982. It became
the CF-18A Hornet

Just to jump on the pedant bandwagon - because I delight in such things - the first CF-188 delivered to the CF was a "B" model and became the CF-188B.

Sam

 

[Gill557]

It's a good thing his Pepto Bismol, inflatable sheep and '51 Chateau Cabernet didn't fly out of the open luggage bin too ;D

Or maybe his golf clubs or tennis racket.  ;D  LOL

 

[mover1]

These are from the Bi weekly safety breifs. this one from the 16-30 June.
Sea King
AIRFRAME:  UNSECURED DRIVESHAFT COVER: During the pre-flight walk around, the driveshaft cover was found unsecured by a member of the start crew.

Griffon
OIL CAP FOUND INSECURE:  While conducting the Pre Flight Inspection, the Flight Engineer noticed the 42 degree Tail Rotor Gear Box Cap appeared insecure.

THINGS FALLING OFF AIRCRAFT/TFOA:  While ferrying the helicopter from Borden to Calgary, the crew felt a disturbance in the controls (moreso in the cyclic than in the pedals). Rather than simply attributing it to turbulence (possible bird strike?), they elected to conduct a precautionary ldg to a field loc so as to carry out a visual inspection. Visual inspection conducted with engines at idle, nothing abnormal noted. Crew elected to continue to Regina where, upon shutdown, it was discovered that the mast rubber boot was missing. Also, the tail rotor red blade had some black streaks on it as well as a dent roughly the size of a quarter.

 

[mover1]

BTW Golf Clubs wont fit in the luggage pod.  ^-^

 

[Fishbone Jones]

And I always get slammed for making irrelevant posts.

C'mon now, not all the time 

BTW Golf Clubs wont fit in the luggage pod.   ^-^

Must be losing the ol' knowhow. We used to be able to fit two sets into the pod we fastened to the rotating missle door on the VooDoo.

 

[Gill557]

Must be losing the ol' knowhow. We used to be able to fit two sets into the pod we fastened to the rotating missle door on the VooDoo.
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No way, that's crazy  ;D

 

[mover1]

The VOODOO. 

Holy smokes you want some viagra with your laxitive or are just going to doze the afternoon away.

I happen to know that. I always get handed the golf clubs and are told to make sure they arrive at destination with the duty free booze and smokes. Because the luggage pod is of more importaint things like. A clean flight suit to wear at the bar down town and the rest of his ego.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The VOODOO.  

Holy smokes you want some viagra with your laxitive or are just going to doze the afternoon away.

You're not the first BlackHatter that's gone to the blue side

 

[jmacleod]

Well aware of the current designation of the CF-188A/B - I referred to the first aircraft delivered
to the CF in July 1982 - I worked on the NFAP and was part of the Northrop Canadian Team
headed by LCOL Herb Graves and the late Richard C. "Bud" Turner, Northrop Corporation,Aircraft
Division LA, CA (a Canadian engineer who worked for AVRO, Toronto on the CF 100 Project).
The first production aircraft to my knowledge was an "A" model, ("B" model has two seats).
In September 1982, the aircraft flew in the Canadian International Air Show, CIAS, Toronto - I think
that was in fact the first "B" model. Northrop still builds the aft section of the airframe with Boeing
-they call it the F-18, don't think they care what we call it. MacLeod

 

[medic65726]

You've got proof of that? I fly helos and an open compartment on a helo isn't a huge concern, heck, we fly with the windows open all the time and the door open on occasion. Speed is the problem when your aerodynamics are changed (ie open cargo compartment, etc), since speed isn't a huge factor in helos, open compartment aren't usually a problem either unless it's something that can contact the rotor.

and MacLeod, it's officially known as the CF-188A/B. You should know that all our aircraft have 2 letter and 3 number identifiers.

Well here is one for a start http://www.ntsb.gov/Recs/letters/1999/A99_79.pdf
There have been numerous incidents like this and sure it is not the dorr/hatch/cowling being open that directly causes the problem, unless it contacts the rotor (main or tail). The problem with cargo doors opening is what might fly out and strike the tail-rotor. I am still looking for the report, but a few years ago there was an EMS helo that lost tail rotor authourity after a blanket flew out of their unlatched cargo compartment and wrapped over the tail. Try www.concern-network.org
I also have personal knowledge (and a report that is not authourized fo release) of an engine cowling opening and contacting the main rotors, causing significant vibration, a loss of lift, and necessitated an immidate emergency landing. Apparently the burning composite cowl didn't smell too great as it moved into the engine exhaust as well.
If you would like more details or explanation please feel free to PM me.

 

[mover1]

You're not the first BlackHatter that's gone to the blue side

Nor the last I hope.....

 

[jmacleod]

Strange and interesting things happen to aircraft all the time - which current AF aircrews and techs
know better than I, most of which never appear in the media - Toronto Star reported that "the
nose cone fell off of the CF-18" - being the Toronto Star, they did not bother to check out the
actual details of the incident. We all know about the three letter "identifiers" for CF aircraft,
goes back to the days when DND bureaucrats wanted to eliminate the word "Hornet" because
from what they told McAir and Northrop, the word could not be translated into French - never
became a problem for Northrop in Spain, or Korea. First Northrop designated light-weight fighter
was the YF-17 (which became the F-18L "Cobra") which was in the USAF LWF Program bid. The
YF-17 flown by Northrop Test Pilot Hank Chouteau, flew in the CIAS Toronto in September 1977
-so did the entry level LWF Program F-16. F-16 was the fighter the CF wanted in the NFAP, but
that is another story. MacLeod

 

[Sergeant295]

You Canadian guys really rag on yourselves don't you? Just my thoughts on the matter but I ran into guys with 3rd Battalion PPCLI quite a bit in Afghanistan in 2002 and I have to say they were all trained just as good if not better then our regular infantry here in the United States. As for your plane, $%&# happens right? Every military has accidents and problems, that is a nature of the business Canada just seems to focus on them more then other countries. So be proud! I am glad to have Canada as an allied force, not only because I am a duel citizen but because the Canadian Forces is a wonderful force filled with top notch people!

 

[Slim]

So be proud! I am glad to have Canada as an allied force, not only because I am a duel citizen but because the Canadian Forces is a wonderful force filled with top notch people!

Thank you sir for your kind words.

Slim
STAFF

 

[Sheerin]

I was at the indy and saw the fly by, I had absolutely no idea something went wrong, nor did anyone else who was there. 

It was nice to see them, always enjoy hearing the roar of fighter jets.