CDN/US Covid-related political discussion

[Jarnhamar]

[quote author=dapaterson]


But the ultimate question, of course, is "How much moreare taxpayers willing to pay for better conditions at long-term care facilities?"
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I'd say our government could also stop throwing around millions of dollars outside of the country, especially trying to get a UN council seat, and put more of the tax money into stuff like this.

 

[MilEME09]

I'd say our government could also stop throwing around millions of dollars outside of the country, especially trying to get a UN council seat, and put more of the tax money into stuff like this.

Cut foreign aid, privatize the CBC, get our resources to market. Plenty of ways to allocate what we have or generate new wealth.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Paragon of democracy right here. Get rid of that whole accountability and oversight bullshit.

Liberals shut down debate over plan to extend suspension of Parliament
Https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-liberals-move-to-shut-down-debate-over-plan-to-extend-suspension-of/

 

[dapaterson]

Cut foreign aid, privatize the CBC, get our resources to market. Plenty of ways to allocate what we have or generate new wealth.

How much does Canada spend on foreign aid?  On the CBC?  How do those figures relate to overall government expenditures?  To GDP?

Where are those expenditures spent?  What impacts will there be from making those cuts?  For example, foreign aid is often used to provide Canadian goods to foreign countries.  Cutting aid will, interestingly enough, cut a support to Canadian industry.


...to say nothing of the constitutional division of powers, where the responsibility for health and social services vests not with the federal, but with provincial governments, who do not spend on foreign aid or the CBC...

 

[MilEME09]

They may be provincial jurisdiction, but health care transfers from the federal government are a thing so that in theory the standard of care is equal across canada

 

[PuckChaser]

A very well-paid PSW will get $19/hour.  RPNs start around $21/hour.

But the ultimate question, of course, is "How much more are taxpayers willing to pay for better conditions at long-term care facilities?"

Are you saying that if we paid the PSWs $21/hour and RPNs $23/hour to start, they'd actually treat people with some @%$@ human dignity? A vast majority of PSWs and RPNs get the same wage and are doing fantastic jobs at other facilities. These select few homes have terrible management, creating a terrible culture, and hiring individuals who are clearly just there for a paycheque. I've been treated better by a grocery clerk making minimum wage that I've never seen before than some of this RPNs/RNs/PSWs are treating people they are supposed to care for on a daily basis.

Throwing more money at individuals who are willing to treat others in such a disgusting manner is not the way to fix things.

 

[Cloud Cover]

How much does Canada spend on foreign aid?  On the CBC?  How do those figures relate to overall government expenditures?  To GDP?

Where are those expenditures spent?  What impacts will there be from making those cuts?  For example, foreign aid is often used to provide Canadian goods to foreign countries.  Cutting aid will, interestingly enough, cut a support to Canadian industry.


...to say nothing of the constitutional division of powers, where the responsibility for health and social services vests not with the federal, but with provincial governments, who do not spend on foreign aid or the CBC...

Well they could designate all LTCF as Marine Hospitals .... only 1 Province would object.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Provincial and Federal Government- We have no idea how this could have happened.

Also the government - 9 out of 626 homes in Ontario actually received so-called resident quality inspections (RQIs).

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/seniors-homes-inspections-1.5532585?cmp=newsletter_CBC%20News%20Morning%20Brief_985_19109

CBC News reviewed inspection reports from the last five years for all long-term care homes in the province and found that while most received a comprehensive resident quality inspection in 2015, 2016 and 2017, the number dropped to just over half in 2018 and just nine last year.

Ford and Trudeau should probably shove their crocodile tears somewhere.

 

[daftandbarmy]

'Tent of Commons'  :rofl:


Rex Murphy: We now have two national crises, and Parliament has abdicated its responsibility

Suspending the House of Commons during the COVID-19 pandemic and a horrifying crisis in the care of Canada's elderly is utterly reprehensible

Breaking news: “The Trudeau government announced, following the grim revelations about long-term care in Canada, that Parliament will be recalled in a special emergency session to deal with the scandal of abuse and neglect of its elderly citizens. ‘Parliament must weigh in,’ said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, ‘on the savage neglect of its old people. Thousands of our seniors have been abused, neglected and died. Parliament must explore this national shame.’ ” Except that didn’t happen.

That’s what everyone should have been reading Wednesday morning. What was the headline you were reading? Trudeau and Singh make deal to neuter Parliament till Sept. 21.

First, great thanks to the Canadian military for being swift and direct and effective in declaring what they saw in nursing homes. Thank God they are not “suspended” until September. There is honour left in at least one Canadian institution.

Second, we have the information now on Ontario’s LTC. Quebec’s should come next, and there is no reason to think it won’t have its alarms, too. Third, it will be a real shock if in the rest of the provinces and the territories there is not some variant of this utter scandal in the treatment of the old. Premiers have a massive responsibility. But let us not have the “jurisdictional” question cloud what is a general and national shame.

It may not be the biggest scandal we have seen, but it is surely, in the root sense of the word, the most pathetic. In other words the one that most wounds our hearts. Those who have lived the longest, and by some measure contributed the most, are the most abused. This is a matter for the national conscience.

Therefore, it is really far past time that the gutting and sidelining of Canada’s Parliament, the castration of the House of Commons, during what is now a double crisis — COVID-19, and the care of the elderly — be blasted and condemned for the shameless and cowardly abdication of debate and accountability that it is.

Mr. Trudeau has been indoors in a cottage for 50 plus days. His morning standups under the Tent of Commons have passed the tedious stage, passed dreary, passed repetitive, clichéd and annoying. They are as useless as they are arrogant. And that’s a high bar on both. One person, even a PM, is not a government.

Trudeau is either scared of the House of Commons, or he has no regard for it. Perhaps it’s both.

The prime minister is not acting as a prime minister should, or should be allowed to. He has not the right to end the deliberative and accountability functions of Parliament.


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-we-now-have-two-national-crises-and-parliament-has-abdicated-its-responsibility?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1vX0GxSAlaWCBHoJ2RBkdm6FUHZtFagz0um9ID64Nm3aPR5UFj05uBD9w#Echobox=1590601438

 

[tomahawk6]

Time to open the border.Until that happens then tourism is dead.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Time to open the border.Until that happens then tourism is dead.

I don't think our shops can handle the kind of shopping Americans are doing right now.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Why can the prime minister shut down Parliament for covid19 fears but go to a protest where people clearly aren't observing the 6 foot rule?

 

[Remius]

Why can the prime minister shut down Parliament for covid19 fears but go to a protest where people clearly aren't observing the 6 foot rule?

Photo op.  The risk of catching COVID is worth it given his checkered past on racial issues.  It made international news as being the only world/political leader to go out and march. 

Trying to rack up the points.

 

[PMedMoe]

Why can the prime minister shut down Parliament for covid19 fears but go to a protest where people clearly aren't observing the 6 foot rule?

At least he didn't hide in inspect a bunker.  :

 

[Weinie]

Heard that he paused for 21 seconds before he knelt.

 

[brihard]

Why can the prime minister shut down Parliament for covid19 fears but go to a protest where people clearly aren't observing the 6 foot rule?

Balancing risks and rewards, I guess. I think he was trying to get ahead of and ease some of the tension in the major protests that have now spreading up here. A couple more bodies in the crowd, vs. the potentially deescalating effect of the PM being these essentially saying 'we see you, we her you, we value what you have to say'.

As is often the case, he has different things to balance, and none of the available choices may be perfect. Theatrics, optics, etc etc aside- and yes, got it, that's a factor - he still has a role to play as PM and I think in the balance his actions yesterday are quite justified. The Ottawa protest DID stay pretty much entirely peaceful, and his actions may have a modest calming effect on at least some of the bigger picture here.

 

[Kat Stevens]

At least he didn't hide in inspect a bunker.  :

No, he's just been hiding in his cottage for two months.

 

[brihard]

No, he's just been hiding in his cottage for two months.

So working from home like very many other Canadians are? When the vast majority of what he actually has to do on a daily basis is very suited to that, and his residence (because that's what Rideau Cottage is - his primary residence) has been set up for it? I don't see why we would take issue with him being able to do his work in the same physical building he lives in. That's not exactly unheard of among world leaders.

 

[Kat Stevens]

So working from home like very many other Canadians are? When the vast majority of what he actually has to do on a daily basis is very suited to that, and his residence (because that's what Rideau Cottage is - his primary residence) has been set up for it? I don't see why we would take issue with him being able to do his work in the same physical building he lives in. That's not exactly unheard of among world leaders.

Right. So you're cool with the ONLY thing that can get him out of his burrow, other than his daily shadow check, oh, and breaking quarantine to sneak home and rip off a piece, is not to go back to work, but to go out in the streets with hundreds of other people in order to pander up some votes? Anyone seen him since?

 

[Remius]

If we want to compare Trudeau to Trump:

Both are working from subsidized housing.

Both came out for a photo op.

One chose to attack and disperse his fellow citizens by force to get that photo op.

One chose to stand and kneel with his fellow citizens.

Oh, and just to add a small historical fact.  One of the two lives in subsidized housing built by slaves. 

As for the protests and COVID 19, it will be interesting to see if there is a spike or if the PM gets it.  Time will tell.