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CAF Security Forces [Split from RCN Anti Drone Weapon]

Sure. Just like half the public who apply to the CAF. I see no difference.


Yah patrols. If there is a security breach on the base you call MPs. No difference in operations except now the RCAF Security does the initial detainment and hands them over to the MPs. Or shoots them*

*Case by case basis :p
Sure. The MPs response is always that they’ll prioritize a policing call over a base security call. Not quite acceptable from a force protection point of view. The current system is jacked and unless MPs re-prioritize force protection over issuing tickets, the current Force Protection concept needs to change.

The RCAF conducts operations (in the actual sense) from their Wings on a day-to-day basis.
 
Or would it just be more cost effective and simpler to house the aircraft at close to the border US bases?

Honestly, does anyone really think our training system can pump out enough trained personal to staff this, or have enough housing at our locations for the influx?

We probably will have no coming up with the doctrine, but coming up with physical?
I dont see it....
 
Sure. The MPs response is always that they’ll prioritize a policing call over a base security call. Not quite acceptable from a force protection point of view. The current system is jacked and unless MPs re-prioritize force protection over issuing tickets, the current Force Protection concept needs to change.

The RCAF conducts operations (in the actual sense) from their Wings on a day-to-day basis.

I’ll also respectfully suggest that a real threat to the sorts of assets we’re talking about is likely to be a more planned and deliberate threat. One that may well exceed the ability of one or two MPs acting on no notice to deal with.

Security and policing are distinct. The security task for the sensitive assets being procured isn’t something that should be subject to dual hatting, at least not at the inner perimeter to the actual high security areas. Those should be dedicated elements trained and equipped for The Really Bad Day- enough so that, domestically, nobody will be stupid enough to try it, and when deployed, anyone trying it would be really stupid.
 
I'll throw out a few thoughts on this:

1. Sensitive systems security is a full-rime, continuing 24/7 job - its RegF and not ResF. Period;

2. If the need to provide security for the new aircraft and new ships is required then the PYs to provide that function should have been included in the respective projects as either new PYs or a reallocation of PYs;

3. Re the role of the military police, this is a quote from the CF Provost Marshall's latest report:

Mission

The CF MP Gp provides professional policing, security, and detention services to the CAF and DND globally, across the full spectrum of military operations.
accordingly, security is already an MP function. The fact that it is rarely done because of other tasks is not a reason for not leaving it as an MP mission;

4. The military police branch is relatively small with the following authorized strength: RegF offrs - 189; NCMs - 1,215; ResF offrs - 45; NCMs - 646. (Note that at the time of the last report, the force was understrength by 213 RegF and 277 ResF);

5. A new security force will be even smaller in numbers - several hundreds perhaps - and, as such, probably incapable of providing for its own career flow, training and leadership development. A new RCAF Regiment and a Naval Infantry unit would be neither practical nor career sustainable as entities;

6. I agree with @brihard that security and policing are distinct functions but that doesn't mean one can't have the two functions in place in one organization/occupation branch running either in parallel (ie a separate security career stream and policing career stream) or in series (ie an individual performing one function first and then graduating to the other during a single career);

7. While one could assign other units, such as infantry battalions, to provide rotational security this is patently unsustainable considering that the job will need to be done for decades to come. Either new PYs are needed or will need to be permanently reallocated; and

8. While a civilian security force could be hired to provide security in Canada, it would be challenging, albeit not impossible, to have elements of a civilian force deploy with ships or aircraft to operational zones.

IMHO. It would be entirely logical to put the security tasks for these new roles into the MP branch by:

a) adding the requisite RegF PYs to the branch;

b) reorganizing the MP branch so that the security function and policing functions are both logically incorporated and run within the branch; and

c) organize and train the ResF MPs so that they can adequately provide a surge capability for security tasks (including temporary Class B augmentation) and are able to perform field MP duties as a mobilization role.

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What model did the RCAF/CAF secure the nuke storage facilities in North Bay for the Bomarcs? Surely they did not ad hoc the base police to that role?
 
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