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Arctic/Offshore Patrol Ship AOPS

The CCG ones are significantly different inside and setup for research. Depending on who you talk to the CCG is looking forward to getting these ships now. I suppose the other thing is getting a good deal with the USCG now that the Donald is coming into power again.
As far as I am aware, the fisheries patrol fleet section of the CCG in the east is pretty dated and well used. All of the ships are veterans of the Turbot Wars and originally were brought into service during the 1970's and 1980's, I'd say the CCG basically needs these ships now given that replacements seem incredibly far off.
 
There are other yards in Canada that could be subcontracted to build modules but there are yards in the states that could do the same thing. The Fins could certainly start building as well.
 
As far as I am aware, the fisheries patrol fleet section of the CCG in the east is pretty dated and well used. All of the ships are veterans of the Turbot Wars and originally were brought into service during the 1970's and 1980's, I'd say the CCG basically needs these ships now given that replacements seem incredibly far off.
the AOPS will replace the Cygnus and Cape Roger you think until the MPV or are the MPV something different?
 

LCdr Ryan Bell doing a great talk about how good the HDW was on its maiden mission. Lots of interesting facts and info in there and really demonstrates how MOR GUNZ isn't necessary for its missions.
 

Canada’s top sailor says he’s confident our navy can stop Russia or China if they send ships through the strategically vital Northwest Passage without asking for permission.

“We wouldn’t need the allies to come to our aid. We could deal with it ourselves,” said Vice-Admiral Angus Topshee.

“We have the capacity to deploy our ships up there right now to stop them.”

The country’s new Arctic and offshore patrol ships only carry a 25-mm cannon, but Topshee said that could quickly be supplemented with other weapons.

“They’re not intended to be front-line combatants,” Topshee said of the warships, dubbed AOPS (Arctic and offshore patrol ships). “They have everything they need for the missions that we anticipate that (they’ll) do. Were we to get into a wartime environment where we felt … they could come directly under threat, then there’s the capacity to install other weapons in sort of an ad hoc manner — very similar to how you would defend an army forward operating base.”
But it’s not worth the expense of adding more weapons to the AOPS now because the threat doesn’t warrant it, he said. “On both coasts we’re experimenting to make sure that these ships would have legitimate wartime roles if they needed to.”

On the east coast, the navy is focused on making sure the Arctic and offshore patrol ships have a full suite of mine counter-measures.

“The ship itself will never go into a minefield — 7,000 tons is not the type of thing you put into a minefield. But is a perfect platform for all of the sensors and effectors that you would deploy into a minefield to find the mines and disable the mines, working in concert with our clearance divers.”

On the west coast, the AOPS are more focused on anti-submarine warfare. The navy’s experimenting now with towed arrays that can detect submarines from thousands of kilometres away.

“That way you’ve got a ship that’s not got the weapons to defend itself, but it’s looking for a submarine that’s so far away the submarine doesn’t even know it’s being hunted,” Topshee said, noting the ship could feed information to the Royal Canadian Air Force to help it attack the sub.

While arrays can’t be towed in ice, he said the navy is eyeing sensors that could be rapidly deployed on the ocean floor and autonomous vessels that can patrol for submarines under the ice and report back quickly on what they find.

While the navy’s keen to use the Harry DeWolf-class ships to hunt subs, they still can’t embark with Cyclone helicopters.

“Right now, it’s got a hangar, it’s got a flight deck — that’s the easy part,” Topshee said. “The complicated piece is that, in order to be able to land that helicopter on the deck, secure it on the deck and then bring it into the hangar — there’s a couple of changes that have to be made.”

Topshee making some interesting comments regarding the AOPS and its potential future roles across the world during an interview Sunday at the Halifax International Security Forum.
 
So we all discussed mine warfare and I know I've posted stuff on the new sonar trials. I was unaware of the range they are hoping for. That is a crazy range. 1000s of km? No wonder the thing takes up 6 sea cans right now and would be installed on something as big as an AOPS.

Super informative article.
 
So we all discussed mine warfare and I know I've posted stuff on the new sonar trials. I was unaware of the range they are hoping for. That is a crazy range. 1000s of km? No wonder the thing takes up 6 sea cans right now and would be installed on something as big as an AOPS.

Super informative article.
How much drag does something like that create? Could (say) a large fishing boat handle it, or do you need a frigate- or AOPS-sized vessel to make it work?
 
How much drag does something like that create? Could (say) a large fishing boat handle it, or do you need a frigate- or AOPS-sized vessel to make it work?
It's not about drag, its about space for the processing, power, handling system etc... think big fishing fleet ships. And AOPS has the space whereas a "proper" combatant does not as its crammed through with other weapons, sensors and effectors. Shorter range sonars are more tactical and precise (sub is right here, I can drop ordinance on it) whereas long rang sonars are used more strategically ( sub is in that general direction in this body of water, not sure exactly where).

Does that sound more like the SURTASS system?

Yah it does, twin arrays towed at the same time? Its not SURTASS but its probably something similar. We're 20 years on right now from SURTASS, so with new processing and computer tech its going to be much upgraded.
 



Topshee making some interesting comments regarding the AOPS and its potential future roles across the world during an interview Sunday at the Halifax International Security Forum.
He’s exaggerating a bit on adding weapons to AOPS. It’s not like we have weapons sitting on a shelf that can be added, and ordering new stuff takes months to years, and then time to manufacture and install. Which means the ad hoc weapons come off another ship or it’s army gear that currently doesn’t exist either.

I could see box launchers, harpoon tubes, MASS, CIWS, maybe RBS 70 NG, maybe a Cyclone if it can be quickly rigged with a non torpedo weapon. I recognize the RCN did this with the IRE class in GW1 but that was a long time ago and they were fitted to an actual warship with a decent sized crew, with an expectation of fighting with Allies. Here, the good Admiral says no help would be required. Prove it at least to himself and the RCN crews with a test run.
 
He’s exaggerating a bit on adding weapons to AOPS. It’s not like we have weapons sitting on a shelf that can be added, and ordering new stuff takes months to years, and then time to manufacture and install. Which means the ad hoc weapons come off another ship or it’s army gear that currently doesn’t exist either.

I could see box launchers, harpoon tubes, MASS, CIWS, maybe RBS 70 NG, maybe a Cyclone if it can be quickly rigged with a non torpedo weapon. I recognize the RCN did this with the IRE class in GW1 but that was a long time ago and they were fitted to an actual warship with a decent sized crew, with an expectation of fighting with Allies. Here, the good Admiral says no help would be required. Prove it at least to himself and the RCN crews with a test run.
We've got those nifty Bofors still around don't we? I definitely could see some crew out on deck manually loading and firing those puppies just off the east coast of Baffin Island in mid-November.
 
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He’s exaggerating a bit on adding weapons to AOPS. It’s not like we have weapons sitting on a shelf that can be added, and ordering new stuff takes months to years, and then time to manufacture and install. Which means the ad hoc weapons come off another ship or it’s army gear that currently doesn’t exist either.

I could see box launchers, harpoon tubes, MASS, CIWS, maybe RBS 70 NG, maybe a Cyclone if it can be quickly rigged with a non torpedo weapon. I recognize the RCN did this with the IRE class in GW1 but that was a long time ago and they were fitted to an actual warship with a decent sized crew, with an expectation of fighting with Allies. Here, the good Admiral says no help would be required. Prove it at least to himself and the RCN crews with a test run.
Stop and think about that for a second...

If the RCN has done/is doing something like that, do you think the details would be unclass? Sure we publish a lot of things the CAF does but there are lots of things, like rapid response capabilities, that are not openly talked about.
 
Stop and think about that for a second...

If the RCN has done/is doing something like that, do you think the details would be unclass? Sure we publish a lot of things the CAF does but there are lots of things, like rapid response capabilities, that are not openly talked about.
Horse droppings, but sure if you say so.
 
He’s exaggerating a bit on adding weapons to AOPS. It’s not like we have weapons sitting on a shelf that can be added, and ordering new stuff takes months to years, and then time to manufacture and install. Which means the ad hoc weapons come off another ship or it’s army gear that currently doesn’t exist either.

I could see box launchers, harpoon tubes, MASS, CIWS, maybe RBS 70 NG, maybe a Cyclone if it can be quickly rigged with a non torpedo weapon. I recognize the RCN did this with the IRE class in GW1 but that was a long time ago and they were fitted to an actual warship with a decent sized crew, with an expectation of fighting with Allies. Here, the good Admiral says no help would be required. Prove it at least to himself and the RCN crews with a test run.
Weapons without sensors aren't really useful. Weapons and sensors need a combat system and operators to integrate things and do something about it. AOPs doesn't have any of that, and also has no storage for anything larger than small arms. They also have no self defence or evasion, so the only thing really going for it is a ice capable double hull to soak up some of the ass kicking.

I think it's less exaggerating a bit and more wild fantasizing, but I have to think this is political messaging and not that he's getting that much of an unrealistic briefing on what AOPs is or isn't.
 
Horse droppings, but sure if you say so.
I'm sure you have a much clearer idea of the RCN's capabilities than the CRCN does...

You do realize that he isn't talking about using the AOPVs to do all of the work right? CPFs can and do go to the arctic as well. There is also the whole, it's not just the RCN doing the deterring, we have the RCAF for a reason and they work with the RCN.
 
We've got those nifty Bofors still around don't we? I definitely could see some crew out on deck manually loading and firing those puppies just off the east coast of Baffin Island in mid-November.
In the finest traditions of the Canadian naval service. etc...
 
Does the RCAF actually have any dedicated anti shipping weapon capability?
Laser guided bombs, JDAMs, Mavericks are all in inventory and while capable of targeting and damaging/sinking ships none are exactly ideal for the role. How often does the RCAF practice anti shipping missions?

Just because the RCAF is theoretically capable of the mission doesn’t mean that we have actually configured them to do so.
 
Does the RCAF actually have any dedicated anti shipping weapon capability?
Laser guided bombs, JDAMs, Mavericks are all in inventory and while capable of targeting and damaging/sinking ships none are exactly ideal for the role. How often does the RCAF practice anti shipping missions?

Just because the RCAF is theoretically capable of the mission doesn’t mean that we have actually configured them to do so.
Shssh, don't ask detailed questions.
 
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