Arctic/Offshore Patrol Ship AOPS

[Edward Campbell]

Don't forget that the reason for 'Pearsonian Peacekeeping' in 1956 was to rescue the West from Ike's fury. Eisenhower was flaming mad at , and because they invaded Egypt in 1956 and threatened to upset years of strategy/diplomacy. He reportedly considered expelling & from NATO!

Ralph Bunche, one of the ablest strategic thinkers of the 20th century, came up with the idea of a UN force and he enlisted Lester Pearson, one of the most skilled diplomats in the UN to stick handle the notion past the 'Eastern Block' and sell the idea to one and all, including famous diplomatic stumbling blocks like Krishna Menon.

Bunche already had his Nobel Prize for "inventing"peacekeeping; Mike Pearson got his for persuading Ike to save the western alliance.

 

[Kirkhill]

More on the Donut Hole - Coast Guard vs Coast Guard

Alaska Coast Guard tracks Chinese, Russian vessels in Bering Sea

Four Russian and Chinese security ships were tracked by the Coast Guard in a sign of increased activity by key U.S. adversaries in the Arctic, the Alaska office of the Coast Guard said on Tuesday.

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An HC-130J Super Hercules airplane crew from Coast Guard Air Station Kodiak observes two Russian Border Guard ships and two Chinese Coast Guard ships approximately 440 miles southwest of St. Lawrence Island Sept. 28, 2024. This marked the northernmost location

China’s coast guard said the joint maritime patrol in the Bering Sea followed a Chinese-Russian drill and was seeking to check fishing boats and maintain order in the North Pacific, The Associated Press reported. The boats conducted search-and-rescue exercises and showed “high efficiency in coordination and cooperation.”

Last month, troops from the Army’s 11th Airborne Division and the 1st and 3rd Multi Domain Task Forces were deployed to Shemya Island in Alaska’s Aleutian Islands. The troops are part of a force projection operation to move soldiers and equipment to oarts of the North Pacific.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The issue is that went to hell when the Russians got nukes - and the whole tripwire aspect became a little fuzzy.
UN forces have generally only been successful when they either have overwhelming forces, or against Governments that generally accept the UN.
UN failures in Rwanda, and FYR show that the UN cannot do jack or shit without a Big Stick to enforce it.

Without a big stick anything a Government says or does is just vapid and empty.

Its like the talk about sovereignty in the MCDV thread. A nations sovereignty exists on the belief that its violently not worth it for others to try and take it. The big stick is that.

 

[Kirkhill]

Report to Congress on Coast Guard Polar Security Cutter - USNI News

The following is the Oct. 2, 2024, Congressional Research Service report, Coast Guard Polar Security Cutter Program: Background and Issues for Congress. From the report Required number of polar icebreakers. A 2023 Coast Guard fleet mix analysis concluded that the service will require a total of...

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Required number of polar icebreakers. A 2023 Coast Guard fleet mix analysis concluded that the service will require a total of eight to nine polar icebreakers, including four to five heavy polar icebreakers and four to five medium polar icebreakers, to perform its polar (i.e., Arctic and Antarctic) missions in coming years.

Polar Security Cutter (PSC). The Coast Guard Polar Security Cutter (PSC) program aims to acquire four or five new PSCs (i.e., heavy polar icebreakers), to be followed at some later point by the acquisition of new Arctic Security Cutters (ASCs) (i.e., medium polar icebreakers).

Coast Guard Polar Security Cutter (Polar Icebreaker) Program Congressional Research Service 15

Trilateral Polar Icebreaker Collaboration Effort (ICE Pact)

On July 11, 2024, the leaders of the United States, Canada, and Finland announced a trilateral partnership on polar icebreakers, called the Icebreaker Collaboration Effort (ICE Pact), to implement a “collaborative effort to continue building best-in-class Arctic and polar icebreakers and other Arctic and polar capabilities in each of our respective countries by sharing expertise, information, and capabilities.” The joint statement announcing the partnership stated

As leaders of Arctic nations, Canada, Finland, and the United States, recognizing the enduring importance of the region to our collective economic, climate, and national security, we resolve to deepen our cooperation to ensure thepolar and Arctic regions remain peaceful, cooperative, and prosperous. As part of this effort, we are announcing an enhanced trilateral partnership called the Icebreaker Collaboration Effort or ICE Pact.

Through ICE Pact, our governments will build on our longstanding and ongoing bilateral ties. As the first initiative under ICE Pact, we will commit to a collaborative effort to continue building best-in-class Arctic and polar icebreakers and other Arctic and polar capabilities in each of our respective countries by sharing expertise, information, and capabilities. Over the next six months, we also will jointly develop an implementation plan for this collaboration to build these highly complex and critical vessels for our allies and partners with interests and responsibilities in the Arctic and Antarctic regions.

This partnership will strengthen the shipbuilding industries in each nation with the goal of creating good-paying jobs in shipyards, marine equipment manufacturers, and many other related services across all three countries. In the Arctic, new, faster shipping lanes hold the potential to create new economic opportunities and drive down shipping costs. And in the Antarctic, our partnership can also foster increased scientific research and international collaboration.

This partnership is about more than the collective production of polar icebreakers and capabilities, including Arctic and polar-capable ships. It is about providing the capability for like-minded nations to uphold international rules, norms, and standards to sustain peace and stability in the Arctic and Antarctic regions for generations to come.42

I believe the PSC refers to a Polar Star / Diefenbaker-Arpatuuq class ice breaker while the ASC refers to a Harry de Wolf type AOPS.

 

[Kirkhill]

Interesting review.

Arctic Security Cutter – Chuck Hill's CG Blog

Posts about Arctic Security Cutter written by Chuck Hill

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[Kirkhill]

Just a reminder of what the opposition is up to

Russia’s New Multirole Arctic Patrol Ships to Feature Cruise Missiles - Naval News

The Ivan Papanin-class (Project 23550) multirole icebreaking patrol ships can be armed with Kalibr-K (NATO reporting name: SS-N-27 Sizzler) cruise missiles...

www.navalnews.com

Kalibr (missile family) - Wikipedia

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Russian Payload Delivery Systems on the rear deck of Russian AOPS with Russian Tomahawks.

I wonder what they could reach from Spitzbergen?

 

[Stoker]

Just a reminder of what the opposition is up to

Russia’s New Multirole Arctic Patrol Ships to Feature Cruise Missiles - Naval News

The Ivan Papanin-class (Project 23550) multirole icebreaking patrol ships can be armed with Kalibr-K (NATO reporting name: SS-N-27 Sizzler) cruise missiles...

www.navalnews.com

Kalibr (missile family) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Russian Payload Delivery Systems on the rear deck of Russian AOPS with Russian Tomahawks.

I wonder what they could reach from Spitzbergen?

Picture from this year, they are getting close to being operational. Would love to have a tour.

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[Kirkhill]

Picture from this year, they are getting close to being operational. Would love to have a tour.

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A bit cheeky. Stealing the pennant numbers as well as the design....
kindofish.

 

[quadrapiper]

Picture from this year, they are getting close to being operational. Would love to have a tour.

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What're everyone's guesses on the faults list on those?

 

[Stoker]

What're everyone's guesses on the faults list on those?

Offhand probably not a lot. Probably not up to the standards we are used to living wise. Technically wise probably a simpler ship but still can do the job. I wish AOPV was a lot less technical and simpler to maintain.

 

[Swampbuggy]

 

[Swampbuggy]

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Was pretty excited to get a chance to see HARRY with my own eyes today. Sure looked awesome anchored off Kingston with Fort Henry in the background and I got a few shots from the Fort grounds themselves .The closer picture was from the Wolfe Island Ferry. I was pleased to see the amount of interest the ship generated both on the ferry and in town.

 

[Furniture]

Was pretty excited to get a chance to see HARRY with my own eyes today. Sure looked awesome anchored off Kingston with Fort Henry in the background and I got a few shots from the Fort grounds themselves .The closer picture was from the Wolfe Island Ferry. I was pleased to see the amount of interest the ship generated both on the ferry and in town.

They are pretty impressive when you see one in person. I don't think most people appreciate just how large they are.

 

[Rainbow1910]

They are pretty impressive when you see one in person. I don't think most people appreciate just how large they are.

Very impressive if you've ever got to tour an AOPS and compared it to a CPF or an MCDV, it is a far more spacious and comfortable vessel in comparison to either of the former vessels.

 

[PrairieFella]

Very impressive if you've ever got to tour an AOPS and compared it to a CPF or an MCDV, it is a far more spacious and comfortable vessel in comparison to either of the former vessels.

Is there any mechanism by which Army pers can visit a Navy ship? I've always been curious to see what it's like onboard.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Is there any mechanism by which Army pers can visit a Navy ship? I've always been curious to see what it's like onboard.

Go to Esquimalt or Halifax? They aren’t coming you in Manitoba (well, maybe Churchill…).

Seriously, if you have Mil ID, most ships are probably pretty open to a quick tour.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Is there any mechanism by which Army pers can visit a Navy ship? I've always been curious to see what it's like onboard.

Offer them soup....

 

[PrairieFella]

Go to Esquimalt or Halifax? They aren’t coming you in Manitoba (well, maybe Churchill…).

Seriously, if you have Mil ID, most ships are probably pretty open to a quick tour.

I'm aware they aren't coming to Manitoba, thank you lol. If I find myself on the coast is what I'm talking about.

 

[Gorgo]

It'd be interesting to have any of the AOPS visit Churchill or Moosonee or any of the other ports in Hudson Bay or James Bay.

 

[Furniture]

Very impressive if you've ever got to tour an AOPS and compared it to a CPF or an MCDV, it is a far more spacious and comfortable vessel in comparison to either of the former vessels.

I not only had a tour, I spend nearly three months sailing in one.

VAN was outboard of us for about a week alongside in Pearl Harbor. It was interesting looking down on her hangar top from the bridge of MAX. Our flight deck was higher than VAN'S bridge.

The two man cabins were also a nice upgrade from a 6-12 man mess deck.