AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)

[Cloud Cover]

Did a little research:

Good for Davie, I think this is going to be an interesting turn of events. As for Irving, put up some private money, start showing initiative and get moving. No reason they can't work with FFS too.

QQ's about resolve:
- what type/ class landing craft are those ( it looks like either 2 or 4 can be carried); UNK
- is this a double hull vessel where the fuel tanks are? ( must be, but just asking)  - YES
- they are making statements about integrated tactical combat systems- what systems might that be? - from L3, in particular MAPP, other equipment and sensors removed from old AOR's.
- how is the RCN getting all of the necessary communications gear- have orders been placed? - being removed from older AOR's and installed on Resolve
- fitted for but not equipped with CIWS, good move- how many, and where would they be fitted? [will be taken from older AOR]
- chaff and decoy systems? UNK
- the accommodations look interesting- 2 to a room or 4? UNK
- the hospital facilities are scaled to what level? it is capable of 60 beds split into two wards.
- how will FFS crew the ship over longer duration- this ship looks like it could be at sea for very long periods. Will there be Navy style work ups, and how the heck will that work with a mixed civvie(Union) crew and reg force sailors - UNK, the language bounce between "fully crewed by FFS" to "manned by RCN (I am assuming this is combat systems)"
- did they say 2 Chinooks? New doctrine coming? the deck is engineered /designed to land Chinooks,  still not clear if Chinooks can be stored and maintained in the hangars. 
- interesting escorts vessels in the refueling part of the video. Those are large destroyers ( yet to be built) unless they are foreign

In addition, all of the the wet/dry RAS infrastructure will be removed from a Proctecteur class vessel and installed on  Resolve. In general, the RCN seems to be stripping a decommissioned AOR and providing that equipment to Resolve. Obviously that keeps Davie's costs low. Seems to me there is an inferential assumption the RCN will take this ship on strength after 5 years if the Queenston class fall behind commissioning schedules.

 

[jollyjacktar]

I asked the Davies folks at CANSEC what was the purpose of having military crew embarked, they said it was for keeping the Tanker skill sets alive such as Bosn and NavCom for example.  I asked about HT as we're the people who take care of the fuel on our present AOR and get it from the cargo tanks to the fuel dump and hoses and therefore we would need to keep those skills alive as well. 

Was told that there are no plans to include HT into the mix.  Further, the damage control duties will apparently come from the civilian crew as well, she said.  I guess we're redundant now with the trade being killed off.  :dunno:

 

[Lumber]

Did a little research:

In addition, all of the the wet/dry RAS infrastructure will be removed from a Proctecteur class vessel and installed on  Resolve. In general, the RCN seems to be stripping a decommissioned AOR and providing that equipment to Resolve. Obviously that keeps Davie's costs low. Seems to me there is an inferential assumption the RCN will take this ship on strength after 5 years if when the Queenston class fall behind commissioning schedules.

FTFY.

 

[Furniture]

I asked the Davies folks at CANSEC what was the purpose of having military crew embarked, they said it was for keeping the Tanker skill sets alive such as Bosn and NavCom for example.  I asked about HT as we're the people who take care of the fuel on our present AOR and get it from the cargo tanks to the fuel dump and hoses and therefore we would need to keep those skills alive as well. 

Was told that there are no plans to include HT into the mix.  Further, the damage control duties will apparently come from the civilian crew as well, she said.  I guess we're redundant now with the trade being killed off.  :dunno:

Who will provide crash rescue with an embarked Air Det if there are no HTs? It won't be a permenant posting, but there should still be some sailing on the AOR.

 

[jollyjacktar]

The civilian crew is going to do most everything I did/do on ship, if the lady I was discussing this topic with was correct in her information.  I do know that we're not invited to the party, hopefully that will change.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

One could start with the RFA model and then adapt it.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

My understanding was that the military personnel would only be composed of whatever detachment may be required for specific functions that have no civilian equivalent.

For instance, an air det would be deployed as a self contained team. All personnel required for all operations aspects of the deployed birds would go as a group. Similarly, if operation of the shipboard hospital is required, a complete military medical team would deploy to cover the operation of the sick bay.

Other than that, there will always be a military supply group on board any time the ship deploys, in order to process the fuel, ammunition and dry good orders and to complete all the paperwork and accounts as required.

Oh! To answer a question that was asked as to how FSS personnel will be deployed, considering the ship is likely to be at sea a lot: That is not a problem for civilians at all. They will simply follow the usual trade practices, and the various members of the crew will work onboard for three months (that is three months solid - 7 days a week), then rotate out for a month or two before going back in, etc. That's normal life for merchant seamen. 

 

[Cloud Cover]

Thanks OGBD, that's what I thought. It will be interesting to see how this all works out.

 

[JLB50]

As for the RAS infrastructure and other things removed from the Protecteur class, will that equipment still belong to Canada?  I'm just wondering what will happen once the lease is up and if Canada wants to discontinue any relationship with Resolve.

 

[Kirkhill]

As for the RAS infrastructure and other things removed from the Protecteur class, will that equipment still belong to Canada?  I'm just wondering what will happen once the lease is up and if Canada wants to discontinue any relationship with Resolve.

I would imagine it would depend on whether both the head and the haft of the axe have been replaced and how much life there might be left remaining.

 

[Good2Golf]

Just came upon this Youtube video put out by Davie on project resolve's progress. They apparently intend to do this from time to time  - smart PR :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_2_aWcd7mI

P.S.: Note the number of time they mention that they are Canada's "most experienced, highest capacity and largest shipbuilder"  [

I assume the video producers intended no association between the Phalanx CIWS mentioned concurrently with the lifeboat filled with people shown at 15:13? ;D

 

[Kirkhill]

New Zealand Orders New Fleet Tanker
Nick Lee-Frampton, Defense News 9:13 a.m. EDT July 19, 2016

New Zealand ordered a new $348 million naval tanker from Hyundai in South Korea to replace the replenishment tanker that is nearly three decades old.

Powered by diesel engines driving twin props, the ship will have provision for the installation of two mini-typhoons and a Phalanx CIWS for self-defense.The tender requires a deck with a capacity for at least 12 TEU containers in a single tier. The tanker replaces the HMNZS Endeavour, commissioned in April 1988.

"This vessel will be significantly larger, will be able to refuel two ships at a time while underway, carry and refuel Defence Force helicopters, produce and store water, and store and transport bulk goods," New Zealand Defence Minister Gerry Brownlee said. "The Government has also opted to include ice-strengthening and winterisation features, representing a very useful enhanced capability when compared to the current tanker. This will allow it to deliver fuel and other goods to support Scott Base and McMurdo Station, during summer months once an icebreaker has cleared a path."

The tender for the maritime sustainment capability  requires the new ship to spend up to 160 days at sea each year.

The new ship shall be able to operate, maintain and have hangar space for any one of the existing NZ Defence Force helicopter types, including the NH90, SH-2G, and the A109. The HMNZS Endeavour is unable to operate helicopters and is scheduled for decommissioning in 2018, two years before the replacement ship’s expected delivery.

No comment

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/2016/07/19/new-zealand-orders-new-fleet-tanker/87282602/


Additional info

South Korean shipbuilder Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) has won a NZD 493 million (USD 350 million) contract to build a naval tanker for the New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF).

The vessel, whose purchase has been approved by the New Zealand Government, is expected to be delivered by 2020.

http://worldmaritimenews.com/archives/197375/nzdf-orders-tanker-at-hhi/

It starts to look like production capacity may be starting to fill up.

 

[Underway]

Seaspan announcement from a few days ago.  I know it was going to happen, however, it's interesting to note that the contract was non-binding until this award.  Now its binding from how I understand it.

Here is the original.

March 1 (UPI) -- The government of Canada awarded Seaspan's Vancouver Shipyards with a contract to produce Queenston-class Joint Support Ships.

The project aims to replace the Auxiliary Oiler Replenishment vessels currently in service with Canada's navy, and has an estimated budget of $1.7 billion. Under the contract, Seaspan will provide production and engineering services to support the program.

Canada plans to construct two of the vessels as part of its National Shipbuilding Strategy, but is considering building a third. The government expects the first vessel to be delivered by 2021, and the second by 2022.

The announced names of the new vessels are HMCS Queenston and HMCS Châteauguay.

Seaspan received the production order after completing an initial design review for the ships based on designs by ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems Canada. The company was previously contracted in December 2015 to supply equipment, propulsion systems and generators to finalize the design.

Once completed, the Joint Support Ships will be used to provide limited sealift capabilities, offshore operations support and core replenishment duties.

 

[ekpiper]

The project aims to replace the Auxiliary Oiler Replenishment vessels currently in service with Canada's navy...

Which AORs would those be?

 

[MilEME09]

Which AORs would those be?

HMCS contracted spanish navy vassel, that one

 

[Colin Parkinson]

We have stealth AOR's, so stealthy even the crews can't find them.....

 

[jollyjacktar]

I knew the adults would shit the bed on this one.

 

[MarkOttawa]

Truly major-league up-sucking to PM Trudeau by Davie--a tweet:
https://twitter.com/chantierdavie/status/852159771440533506

Davie Shipbuilding‏ @chantierdavie

The lounges onboard the Resolve-Class AOR are built to cruise-ship standards.

Up-chuck to the max.

Mark
Ottawa

 

[FSTO]

I hope those bar chairs are bolted to the deck!

As for the PM's picture, I do believe that it should not be there.

In our unit this is the order.

Queen
GG
CDS - CWO of the CAF
MND
CRCN
followed by all the subordinates of MARPAC and NAVRES

The prime minister is not to be seen.

 

[jollyjacktar]

But it's not truly a military vessel.  Not that I like looking at the kid's face, but, it's not an HMCS.  They're not biting the hand that feeds it.  :nod:  Cruise ship standards... Disney Cruises.  No booze.