Hospital ship for Canada

[mariomike]

Much to the disdain of receiving ER doctors, who had to dig into their notes on how to safely remove MAST pants.

We were true believers in the mythology around them, and used MAST frequently in the 1970's.

There were all sorts of stories about ER doctors cutting them off ( they were $500. each ) , only to have the patient become immediately hypotensive and die.

We still have them in our museum.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Like the AOPS with Met systems that don't meet the basic requirements for marine weather observations, and are completely useless for aviation weather observations...

Wow, I remember having that arguement on the 280s with 1 Cad (and getting some random Brigadier yelling at me). And all I was looking for was the policy that says we're going to follow Canadian legislation that specifically excludes military aviation requirements so we could use that to get money for a replacement.

So weather set up isn't good enough, and the fire fighting equipment isn't up to par for helo crashes... good time!

 

[Furniture]

Wow, I remember having that arguement on the 280s with 1 Cad (and getting some random Brigadier yelling at me). And all I was looking for was the policy that says we're going to follow Canadian legislation that specifically excludes military aviation requirements so we could use that to get money for a replacement.

So weather set up isn't good enough, and the fire fighting equipment isn't up to par for helo crashes... good time!

There is a new NAVGEN(NAVORD?) that spells out all Met kit on ships that can embark a helo must have 1 CAD airworthiness approval. It was a fight that kicked off in 2018/9 regarding the MDDS on the CPFs that got the ball rolling to put things in writing and end the silliness.

There are also now a couple of DAODs that lay out who is responsible for all Met in the CAF, so that people can't just go around doing whatever they please without going through a SME. We even have a MWO at C Navy to advise the RCN on all things Met.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Like the AOPS with Met systems that don't meet the basic requirements for marine weather observations, and are completely useless for aviation weather observations...

They dont have a rock on a string ?

 

[Navy_Pete]

There is a new NAVGEN(NAVORD?) that spells out all Met kit on ships that can embark a helo must have 1 CAD airworthiness approval. It was a fight that kicked off in 2018/9 regarding the MDDS on the CPFs that got the ball rolling to put things in writing and end the silliness.

There are also now a couple of DAODs that lay out who is responsible for all Met in the CAF, so that people can't just go around doing whatever they please without going through a SME. We even have a MWO at C Navy to advise the RCN on all things Met.

That's handy, I could have used that a decade ago to get funding, but was largely OBE when the 280s and AORs self retired.

 

[Furniture]

They dont have a rock on a string ?

I don't do the inspections on ships, but apparently it's just a string... Some real bush-league stuff frankly.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I don't do the inspections on ships, but apparently it's just a string... Some real bush-league stuff frankly.

 

[OldSolduer]

The CCG had similar issue with IV certification for our Rescue Specialist, the abilty to maintain that certification was non-existent, so they gave us MAST pants to stabilise patients instead. Much to the disdain of receiving ER doctors, who had to dig into their notes on how to safely remove MAST pants.

One question: What are MAST pants? I kinda gather they keep blood in the core rather than the legs via compression? Am I close?

 

[mariomike]

What are MAST pants?

EMS Myth #1: Medical Anti-Shock Trousers (MAST) autotransfuse a significant amount of blood and save lives.

 

[Blackadder1916]

One question: What are MAST pants? I kinda gather they keep blood in the core rather than the legs via compression? Am I close?

While not pants, the other medical acronym use of "MAST" is/was "Military Assistance to Safety and Traffic". They sometimes carried MAST (the pants) in their kits.

 

[Dale Denton]

Austal USA at SNA 2023: Expeditionary Medical Ship EMS

Something to keep for short-term HADR?

An article from April 2022

The Navy’s First Medical Ship In 35 Years Will Be Unlike Any Before It​

While not a one-to-one replacement for either of the Navy’s huge medical ships, the new vessels will go places they can’t.

By February of 2028, the Navy hopes to have a catamaran-hulled medical ship that its manufacturer says will have a top speed of at least 30 knots and a range of 5,500 nautical miles at 24 knots.
In its Fiscal Year 2023 justification book released last week, the Navy said an Expeditionary Medical Ship (EMS) variant of the Spearhead class Expeditionary Fast Transport will serve that role.

 

[Stoker]

Austal USA at SNA 2023: Expeditionary Medical Ship EMS

Something to keep for short-term HADR?

An article from April 2022

The Navy’s First Medical Ship In 35 Years Will Be Unlike Any Before It​

While not a one-to-one replacement for either of the Navy’s huge medical ships, the new vessels will go places they can’t.

Aluminum hull isn't it?

 

[Spencer100]

Aluminum hull isn't it?

Yes. Parent design was a fast cat ferry.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Yes. Parent design was a fast cat ferry.

sigh......

 

[Spencer100]

sigh......

I have a feeling you are referring to this:

PacifiCat-class ferry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Which caused this:

Fast ferry scandal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also

Here is the Austal Expeditionary Fast Transport which is the basis of the Fast Hospital ship

HSC Dublin Swift - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Was used for this:

Spearhead-class expeditionary fast transport - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Dana381]

Its been working fine in Yarmouth for years. The latest one is actually owned by the US Navy.

Take the Ferry Between Nova Scotia & Maine | The CAT

Save 3.5 hours driving time traveling between Maine and Nova Scotia by choosing The Cat ferry, linking Yarmouth, NS and Bar Harbor, ME.

www.ferries.ca

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I have a feeling you are referring to this:

PacifiCat-class ferry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Which caused this:

Fast ferry scandal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also

Here is the Austal Expeditionary Fast Transport which is the basis of the Fast Hospital ship

HSC Dublin Swift - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Was used for this:

Spearhead-class expeditionary fast transport - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Actually I supported the Fast ferry as a risky gamble to save ship building here in a niche market. They also tried to incorporate the RO/RO concept into them which no fast ferry at the time had. The Tasmanian Cats are the best cats in the world, but to maintain that speed advantage you give up a lot and than means all the equipment onboard is optimized for weight, it also means less supplies onboard. Fast Cats also require more work per hour and suffer from cracking if driven to hard (unless your Scandinavian in which case the mere act of piloting theirs caused cracking). Aluminium is also highly susceptible to electrolysis. Poor equipment hook up onboard and dodgy shorepower will be a problem for these vessels.

 

[Spencer100]

Its been working fine in Yarmouth for years. The latest one is actually owned by the US Navy.

Take the Ferry Between Nova Scotia & Maine | The CAT

Save 3.5 hours driving time traveling between Maine and Nova Scotia by choosing The Cat ferry, linking Yarmouth, NS and Bar Harbor, ME.

www.ferries.ca

Yes but that is the Australia built INCAT build. INCAT and Austal are the worlds premier builder of fast cats and aluminum structure ships. Austal USA are building the EFT and the LSC 2 (cough cough)

He was referring to the BC NDP foray into building aluminum fast cat ferries in 90's, 00's. its was a disaster. Washington Marine (Seaspan) was contracted to build 3 ferries for BC ferries. See the above story. They will be the last ferries build in Canada in our lifetime.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Yes but that is the Australia built INCAT build. INCAT and Austal are the worlds premier builder of fast cats and aluminum structure ships. Austal USA are building the EFT and the LSC 2 (cough cough)

He was referring to the BC NDP foray into building aluminum fast cat ferries in 90's, 00's. its was a disaster. Washington Marine (Seaspan) was contracted to build 3 ferries for BC ferries. See the above story. They will be the last ferries build in Canada in our lifetime.

Actually I referring to both and the Scandinavian ones. I don't see any long term benefit to using a Fast Cat hull for this type of ship and I see a lot of downsides. This is the same type of thinking that lead to the LCS

 

[mariomike]

The CAF has never operated "ambulance services" in the same manner as civilian organizations so the call volume has never been enough to meet licensing requirements.

Sorry for the late post. I felt it helpful to add the legislation.

This is the Ontario Act relevant to the CAF ( in Ontario ).

R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER A.19

Holding out​

20.0.1

No person other than a paramedic acting in the course of or in relation to his or her duties as a paramedic for an ambulance service shall hold himself or herself out as a paramedic. 2017, c. 25, Sched. 1, s. 6.