AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)

[Czech_pivo]

A bit of news from our Dutch friends and the recent launching of their new version of a JSS.

Princess Amalia christens Combat Support Ship Den Helder for Royal Netherlands Navy - Naval News

Her Royal Highness the Princess of Orange christened the Combat Support Ship (CSS) Den Helder.

www.navalnews.com

Princess Amalia christens Combat Support Ship Den Helder for Royal Netherlands Navy​

 

[YZT580]

A bit of news from our Dutch friends and the recent launching of their new version of a JSS.

Princess Amalia christens Combat Support Ship Den Helder for Royal Netherlands Navy - Naval News

Her Royal Highness the Princess of Orange christened the Combat Support Ship (CSS) Den Helder.

www.navalnews.com

Princess Amalia christens Combat Support Ship Den Helder for Royal Netherlands Navy​

2 years from cutting steel to completing sea trials, impressive, So could Irving up the schedule do you think?

 

[Czech_pivo]

2 years from cutting steel to completing sea trials, impressive, So could Irvine up the schedule do you think?

Seaspan is building our JSS. Irving is on the dock for the CSC's, after they finish the remaining 2 CCG AOPS's.

 

[YZT580]

Seaspan is building our JSS. Irving is on the dock for the CSC's, after they finish the remaining 2 CCG AOPS's.

yes but Seaspan has one in the water and the other not far behind. It is Irving that that we need to step up to the plate like yesterday

 

[Underway]

yes but Seaspan has one in the water and the other not far behind. It is Irving that that we need to step up to the plate like yesterday

They've been pumping out AOPS on schedule (COVID adjusted like everything else) at this point. They are fine.

 

[Furniture]

yes but Seaspan has one in the water and the other not far behind. It is Irving that that we need to step up to the plate like yesterday

We can't blame Irving for successive governments waiting too long to buy more ships.

If/when Irving messes up the RCD builds, then we can blame them...

 

[Colin Parkinson]

yes but Seaspan has one in the water and the other not far behind. It is Irving that that we need to step up to the plate like yesterday

Seaspan has put 5 vessels into the water, Irving has put 6 as part of the NSS, mind you SS has put 3 different classes into the water, although one could argue that the AOPs are more complex than the 4 CCG vessels. But the JSS is the largest navy vessel launched in Canada.

 

[NavyShooter]

I've said before - the NSS is fine, just 10 years too late.

NS

 

[Underway]

We can't blame Irving for successive governments waiting too long to buy more ships.

If/when Irving messes up the RCD builds, then we can blame them...

Oh they will mess up the first ship for sure, that's just standard for first of class naval build programs worldwide. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, its more likely the structures and powerplants will be fine, as the UK will have messed up their first ship and transfer those fixes to us. Might be late or slow but overall I think the design of the hull and hotel systems will have most of the kinks worked out.

LMC will be the one who screws up royally with the combat systems and comms. That's going to be a shitshow for a long time, and poor Irving (sarcasm) will wear it despite the fact its LMC who are the prime for that part.

 

[BdaDug]

2 years from cutting steel to completing sea trials, impressive, So could Irving up the schedule do you think?

Seaspan is building our JSS. Irving is on the dock for the CSC's, after they finish the remaining 2 CCG AOPS's.

Two years? The article states "Exactly 48 months after the first steel was cut, the ship successfully completed its maiden sea trials in December 2024."

Further, the construction approach is very different from that specified by Canada - this hull was constructed and outfitted outside of the Netherlands (see NN video reference to sea trials in the Aegean Sea). The vessel is then to be transferred to Damen Naval, which will carry out the final work before handing the vessel over to the Dutch navy later in 2025. So not quite as impressive a timeline as it may first appear, though I'm sure the construction cost savings were non-trivial.

All that said, the Dutch CSS is a smart and modern-looking design. I've always wondered why the Germans didn't update their third of class to eliminate all the external walkways around the superstructure and create the now-conventional angled slabbed sides to reduce radar cross section. Is it too much to ask for a better-looking design? ()

 

[YZT580]

Two years? The article states "Exactly 48 months after the first steel was cut, the ship successfully completed its maiden sea trials in December 2024."

Further, the construction approach is very different from that specified by Canada - this hull was constructed and outfitted outside of the Netherlands (see NN video reference to sea trials in the Aegean Sea). The vessel is then to be transferred to Damen Naval, which will carry out the final work before handing the vessel over to the Dutch navy later in 2025. So not quite as impressive a timeline as it may first appear, though I'm sure the construction cost savings were non-trivial.

All that said, the Dutch CSS is a smart and modern-looking design. I've always wondered why the Germans didn't update their third of class to eliminate all the external walkways around the superstructure and create the now-conventional angled slabbed sides to reduce radar cross section. Is it too much to ask for a better-looking design? ()

never was very good with math, me bad

 

[Underway]

All that said, the Dutch CSS is a smart and modern-looking design. I've always wondered why the Germans didn't update their third of class to eliminate all the external walkways around the superstructure and create the now-conventional angled slabbed sides to reduce radar cross section. Is it too much to ask for a better-looking design? ()

Dunno, the external walkways add a lot to the functionality of the ship. You can quickly transfer people and equipment from place to place all in a safe breathable environment in an emergency, and also similarly its very quick to get to the outside of the ship in said emergency.

 

[suffolkowner]

Oh they will mess up the first ship for sure, that's just standard for first of class naval build programs worldwide. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, its more likely the structures and powerplants will be fine, as the UK will have messed up their first ship and transfer those fixes to us. Might be late or slow but overall I think the design of the hull and hotel systems will have most of the kinks worked out.

LMC will be the one who screws up royally with the combat systems and comms. That's going to be a shitshow for a long time, and poor Irving (sarcasm) will wear it despite the fact its LMC who are the prime for that part.

As long as Irving doesnt epoxy broken bolt heads on they will be one step ahead of BAE

 

[Underway]

As long as Irving doesnt epoxy broken bolt heads on they will be one step ahead of BAE

That's new info... and makes me feel better that dumbasses are universal. Irving workers I'm sure will have their own creative way to do less work or hide problems.

 

[suffolkowner]

That's new info... and makes me feel better that dumbasses are universal. Irving workers I'm sure will have their own creative way to do less work or hide problems.

in one of the navylookout.com articles on the type 26.
problem with culture that people are looking to hide mistakes instead of fixing them

 

[Underway]

in one of the navylookout.com articles on the type 26.
problem with culture that people are looking to hide mistakes instead of fixing them

Always been a thing unfortunately at a lot of different work environments. Hopefully as they keep building those sorts of incidents get "sorted out" as quality control improves, both for the materiel and the staff.

 

[Nvlgzr]

As long as Irving doesnt epoxy broken bolt heads on they will be one step ahead of BAE

Don’t give them ideas.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

in one of the navylookout.com articles on the type 26.
problem with culture that people are looking to hide mistakes instead of fixing them

MTU in Richmond here, will accept any mistake admitted, go back and fix it. If you try to cover up your mistake, they fire you.

 

[suffolkowner]

MTU in Richmond here, will accept any mistake admitted, go back and fix it. If you try to cover up your mistake, they fire you.

my experience is sorta the opposite while still top down. That covering of mistakes instead of fixing is driven by management not by workers