Active Shooter / Hostile Event ( ASHE ) prevention / response

[BrianWL]

In today's news,

Uvalde school massacre report 575 pages,

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/18/us/uvalde-school-shooting-report/index.html

wow! thats quite a voluminous way of saying that this call was pooched because a mouse was given responsibility that would have been better handled by an experienced street patrol officer and/or patrol sergeant. most of the senior police leaders I have worked with and for - are administrators, not cops any more. there are exceptions and those exceptions are trained to be good at running operations, but the other larger group - would go completely into the black as this chief did......

 

[mariomike]

Not sure what their Field Trauma Triage guidelines for MCIs are, but that part of the report also made interesting reading.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Well, that was unexpected...

Uvalde shooting parents 'dumbfounded' after report exonerates police officers​

Independent report commissioned by city says Uvalde officers acted 'in good faith'​

Veronica Mata says she can't understand how the police officers who stood in a school hallway for more than an hour while children and teachers were being slaughtered in a classroom could possibly have been doing their jobs by the book.

But that was the conclusion of a new municipal report released Thursday into the May 24, 2022, shooting at Robb Elementary School, in which a gunman killed 19 students and two teachers.

"We don't understand. Like, everybody knows what went on. Everybody was there," Mata, whose 10-year-old daughter Tess was among those killed, told As It Happens host Nil Köksal.

"Everybody saw that these police officers stood there for 77 minutes and did nothing to protect our children. Nothing."

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/uvalde-city-report-1.7138603

 

[NavyShooter]

Here's a group of heros....

 

[The Bread Guy]

Here's a group of heros....

Yeah, a recent FB post by the force at the high school career fair didn't fare well on social media, either .....

 

[Remius]

Yeah, a recent FB post by the force at the high school career fair didn't fare well on social media, either .....
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[Cloud Cover]

Some footage of the gunfight in Charlotte. Looks “hazardous” …

I can’t tell if buddy laying by the fence is beaned or not, it looks like he attempted to apply a compress to his abdomen.

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[KevinB]

Having spent a few years doing USMS Violent Fugitive TF work, it has the potentially to be really messy and if you aren’t selective about where you try to take the offender, then it has the potential to be absolutely ugly like the tragedy in Charlotte.

RIP to the fallen LE.

 

[Booter]

Having spent a few years doing USMS Violent Fugitive TF work, it has the potentially to be really messy and if you aren’t selective about where you try to take the offender, then it has the potential to be absolutely ugly like the tragedy in Charlotte.

RIP to the fallen LE.

Where and when are almost your most important planning pieces.

Terrible incident. Dangerous work.

 

[Cloud Cover]

For crap pay as well.
RIP to the fallen and best wishes to the wounded and injured.

 

[OldSolduer]

Having spent a few years doing USMS Violent Fugitive TF work, it has the potentially to be really messy and if you aren’t selective about where you try to take the offender, then it has the potential to be absolutely ugly like the tragedy in Charlotte.

RIP to the fallen LE.

My condolence to the families and speedy recoveries to the wounded.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Having spent a few years doing USMS Violent Fugitive TF work, it has the potentially to be really messy and if you aren’t selective about where you try to take the offender, then it has the potential to be absolutely ugly like the tragedy in Charlotte.

RIP to the fallen LE.

Like the Saanich shootout...

Twin brothers killed in Saanich, B.C. bank shooting ‘wanted to shoot and kill police’: report | Globalnews.ca

Police said the suspects, 22-year-old twins Issac and Matthew Auchterlonie, were motivated to shoot and kill police. They had no interest in money in the bank.

globalnews.ca

 

[Cloud Cover]

Unfortunate last names of those two suspects in Saanich.

 

[OldSolduer]

Legit question here:

What kind of brief does a Tac team get before they deploy? Is it like a SMEAC?

 

[Booter]

Legit question here:

What kind of brief does a Tac team get before they deploy? Is it like a SMEAC?

Depends. But there are multiple versions of the five paragraph order- usually it is some variation like that.

But not every team uses them for every type of operation- and not every team uses them well. I’m not sure about the USMS

 

[brihard]

Legit question here:

What kind of brief does a Tac team get before they deploy? Is it like a SMEAC?

Some organizations definitely do. I think in Canada it’s taught on the critical incident command training at the Canadian Police College. Last time I was part of a search warrant execution doing cordon for our tactical team that’s how they briefed.

 

[KevinB]

USMS VFTF’s vary a great great deal.

I’ve seen some that have been conducted like Tier 1 Military HR Ops, Extensive mission planning, with surveillance on the target prior to the team launching.

Others have been legitimately clown shows. With a nary a thought in the world put into anything.

Depends on the team, and the Deputy Marshalls.

On the later type I almost shot a Marshall as he came in the back door with no deconfliction while we had an active scene going on.

Federal TF’s are really hit and miss. It really depends on the TF organizer, meaning the senior Fed, some are really stringent on who can be on them, and will have teams do courses etc together for a baseline and SOP work — some are ‘less so’ and will take any swinging dick with a badge, which can result in no tactical experience, or very low experience the team.

Also some of the support LEA’s are equally as erratic. Some will go get Fed grants, and have super high support throughout the entity. So highly trained people with cutting edge technology. Others will send any one available, which may mean folks with no tactical knowledge

 

[brihard]

USMS VFTF’s vary a great great deal.

I’ve seen some that have been conducted like Tier 1 Military HR Ops, Extensive mission planning, with surveillance on the target prior to the team launching.

Others have been legitimately clown shows. With a nary a thought in the world put into anything.

Depends on the team, and the Deputy Marshalls.

On the later type I almost shot a Marshall as he came in the back door with no deconfliction while we had an active scene going on.

Federal TF’s are really hit and miss. It really depends on the TF organizer, meaning the senior Fed, some are really stringent on who can be on them, and will have teams do courses etc together for a baseline and SOP work — some are ‘less so’ and will take any swinging dick with a badge, which can result in no tactical experience, or very low experience the team.

Also some of the support LEA’s are equally as erratic. Some will go get Fed grants, and have super high support throughout the entity. So highly trained people with cutting edge technology. Others will send any one available, which may mean folks with no tactical knowledge

Jesus. The thought of any deliberate warrant execution without prior surveillance gives me the shudders.

 

[OldSolduer]

Jesus. The thought of any deliberate warrant execution without prior surveillance gives me the shudders.

THAT was my next question. Do the various LEOs - and I am going to assume the big ones do - recce the target area prior to the actual arrest?

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[KevinB]

Jesus. The thought of any deliberate warrant execution without prior surveillance gives me the shudders.

Yup.
Especially since the targets are violent felons. who usually aren’t too keen on going back to prison.