2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[RangerRay]

Yes they are because they don’t understand the definition of Public Sector.

Go look at their policy platform. It clearly says “public sector pensions” not “public service pension plan”.

https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/23175001/990863517f7a575.pdf

P. 10 para 33.

For reference to what exactly a public sector plan is.

Funding Policy for the Public Sector Pension Plans - Canada.ca

The Government of Canada sponsors defined benefit pension plans for members of the public service, the Canadian Forces (Regular Force and Reserve Force) and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP). These plans are collectively referred to as “the public sector pension plans” or “the plans.”

www.canada.ca

You don’t have to read the whole thing. Just the two first paras.

I wouldn’t put it past them…

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yes they are because they don’t understand the definition of Public Sector.

Agreed.

I believe its a badly worded policy release, 100%.

I believe the intended target of the policy is the Public Service, but the author was either lazy or unknowing of the differences.

But as I said, maybe I am wrong. And maybe they will go after my pension.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I wouldn’t put it past them…

It would a fumble of epic proportions to cut CAF pensions right now.

But the CPC does like to kick own goals every now and again.

It makes me feel dirty to use a soccer reference.

 

[Remius]

Agreed.

I believe its a badly worded policy release, 100%.

It’s badly worded because that is what you want to believe. I can’t help you there.

I believe the intended target of the policy is the Public Service, but the author was either lazy or unknowing of the differences.

If that is the case then the CPC shouldn't go anywhere near being in gvt. And they should not be making any policy at all in regards to pensions if they are lazy or unknowing.

But as I said, maybe I am wrong. And maybe they will go after my pension.

Maybe. I suspect they are being intentionally vague in where and how they will cut bureaucracy when it comes to tax payer funded stuff because they know what reaction that will elicit.

 

[Remius]

It would a fumble of epic proportions to cut CAF pensions right now.

But the CPC does like to kick own goals every now and again.

It makes me feel dirty to use a soccer reference.

Oh it’s not a cut. It’s a fundamental change from defined benefit to defined contribution.

So something like what bell Canada has

 

[brihard]

I think people are interpreting this the way they want too.

And I would be shocked if CAF/RCMP pensions were lumped into this should the CPC form a Gov and move forward on this.

Its the Civilian PS that Canadians want reduced, cut, and benefits lowered not the CAF.

But who knows, maybe I'm wrong and the CPC wants to go after my pension too.

The source for this is the CPC Policy Declaration. It speaks broadly of changing all “public sector” pensions to Defined Contribution.

https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/23175001/990863517f7a575.pdf

 

[Halifax Tar]

It’s badly worded because that is what you want to believe. I can’t help you there.

If that is the case then the CPC shouldn't go anywhere near being in gvt. And they should not be making any policy at all in regards to pensions if they are lazy or unknowing.

Maybe. I suspect they are being intentionally vague in where and how they will cut bureaucracy when it comes to tax payer funded stuff because they know what reaction that will elicit.

Oh it’s not a cut. It’s a fundamental change from defined benefit to defined contribution.

So something like what bell Canada has

The source for this is the CPC Policy Declaration. It speaks broadly of changing all “public sector” pensions to Defined Contribution.

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https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/23175001/990863517f7a575.pdf

Like I said, maybe I am wrong and they will come after my pension.

Right now I don't see it as politically expedient to attack CAF pensions, its bad politics. PS pensions, yes that's good politics.

I'm willing to wait see what they actually do, if they get the opportunity, before I cry the sky is falling.

 

[Remius]

Like I said, maybe I am wrong and they will come after my pension.

Right now I don't see it as politically expedient to attack CAF pensions, its bad politics. PS pensions, yes that's good politics.

I'm willing to wait see what they actually do, if they get the opportunity, before I cry the sky is falling.

Of course. And I am sure they are banking on people thinking that when it comes to this.

From a conservative/libertarian perspective all publicly funded pensions are bad so I’m sure they will be pleased.

A race to the bottom indeed.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Of course. And I am sure they are banking on people thinking that when it comes to this.

From a conservative/libertarian perspective all publicly funded pensions are bad so I’m sure they will be pleased.

A race to the bottom indeed.

I think the nomenclature used that is at fault. I think for many (Most?) people when they talk about publicly funded __________ they don't know what that actually means. And while I think they want cuts to the PS and their benefits, I don't think they want the same for the CAF, or EMS ect; at those levels of Gov.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Oh it’s not a cut. It’s a fundamental change from defined benefit to defined contribution.

So something like what bell Canada has

The 'gold standard' in pensions is the defined benefit.

The defined contribution is definitely a 'tier 2' pension.

 

[Quirky]

Seems this election might see a very wide divide between those over age 55 and those under 55.

A wide divide with different priorities.



Young people don’t seem to care about “dealing with trump” while the seniors are worried about keeping their trips to Florida. It’s no longer the left vs right, but younger vs older. With the latter gaining more and more votes due to an aging population. Canada is f*cked long term if this type of thinking keeps up.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I think the nomenclature used that is at fault. I think for many (Most?) people when they talk about publicly funded __________ they don't know what that actually means. And while I think they want cuts to the PS and their benefits, I don't think they want the same for the CAF, or EMS ect; at those levels of Gov.

I think the policy people that came up with this don't care at all and are looking at it as a line item, and I also think it's naive not to think they won't lump in CAF, RCMP and others in with standard public service. Our benefits have been cut arbitrarily by every government since I joined 20 years ago, and don't expect PP to be any different.

When they talk spending, they want sexy things like fighter jets, which is probably why our infra is falling apart from decades of underfunding RPOPs (and CE and whatever came before that).

 

[lenaitch]

I'm 73 and have never been to Florida. Of my circle of about 15, two are regular snowbirds. Aren't broad brushes fun?

 

[mariomike]

I think the nomenclature used is at fault. I think for many (Most?) people when they talk about publicly funded __________ they don't know what that actually means. And while I think they want cuts to the PS and their benefits, I don't think they want the same for the CAF, or EMS ect; at those levels of Gov.

I think one political lesson learned by Team Blue was do not f@#% with emergency services unions.

Especially their Defined Benefit pensions .

Firefighters union issues anti-Hudak letter

The union representing Ontario firefighters has issued a letter to all members that goes out of its way to fan the flames of fear about a province run by PC Leader …

torontosun.com

Tim Hudak feels heat over impact of job cuts on fire, ambulance services​

Tim Hudak got a grilling about his promised 100,000 public sector job cuts from a “longtime, very dedicated Conservative” fearing the impact on fire and ambulance services​

Ontario Provincial Police Association launches unprecedented attack ads against Tim Hudak's 'Tea Party' politics​

The association representing officers in the Ontario Provincial Police has taken out two election ads in an unprecedented attack on Progressive Conservative Leader Tim Hudak.

Doug learned that lesson as rookie Councilor, and wanna be mayor. He never repeated that mistake on the road from City Hall to Queens Park

Councillor Doug Ford and Toronto firefighters union president Ed Kennedy clash

 

[Halifax Tar]

I think the policy people that came up with this don't care at all and are looking at it as a line item, and I also think it's naive not to think they won't lump in CAF, RCMP and others in with standard public service. Our benefits have been cut arbitrarily by every government since I joined 20 years ago, and don't expect PP to be any different.

When they talk spending, they want sexy things like fighter jets, which is probably why our infra is falling apart from decades of underfunding RPOPs (and CE and whatever came before that).

Like I said, maybe I'm wrong.

But until PP can actually form a Gov who knows.

 

[HavokFour]

Mods: I posted this in the tariff war thread as well because it's something I felt could have gone in either thread.

To the surprise of absolutely no one, tripling down. It's almost like she's trying to annihilate any chance the CPC might have.

Danielle Smith and Ben Shapiro discuss Canada electing ‘solid allies’ to Trump at Florida event

On stage at a PragerU fundraiser, the Alberta premier, under fire for allegedly encouraging U.S. leaders to influence Canadian politics, said, 'I come in peace.'

www.nationalobserver.com

Alt: https://archive.ph/URUoJ

 

[Navy_Pete]

Like I said, maybe I'm wrong.

But until PP can actually form a Gov who knows.

I think it would be a good question to ask, as it might be a case of a broad statement from the policy weenies with unintended consequences, so maybe I'll just email PP's campaign and ask.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Mods: I posted this in the tariff war thread as well because it's something I felt could have gone in either thread.

To the surprise of absolutely no one, tripling down. It's almost like she's trying to annihilate any chance the CPC might have.

Danielle Smith and Ben Shapiro discuss Canada electing ‘solid allies’ to Trump at Florida event

On stage at a PragerU fundraiser, the Alberta premier, under fire for allegedly encouraging U.S. leaders to influence Canadian politics, said, 'I come in peace.'

www.nationalobserver.com

Alt: https://archive.ph/URUoJ

I can appreciate her, DS, wanting to put Albertans first, but she is submarining the prospective PM who would help do that.

I think it would be a good question to ask, as it might be a case of a broad statement from the policy weenies with unintended consequences, so maybe I'll just email PP's campaign and ask.

I'm surprised a reporter hasn't asked the question yet.

If you do, let me know what you find out.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I don't know if I will hear back, but fired the question into the general 'contact us' form on the campaign website, as that's all they have. If I get an answer I'll post it here. I also asked if this would apply to MP pensions; if ours are the gold standard theirs is pimped out with platinum and diamond accents.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I don't know if I will hear back, but fired the question into the general 'contact us' form on the campaign website, as that's all they have. If I get an answer I'll post it here. I also asked if this would apply to MP pensions; if ours are the gold standard theirs is pimped out with platinum and diamond accents.

Excellent follow up!