Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

RCAF be like...

All glory is fleeting. Beware the Ides of Budget 2023.....

 

[Underway]

The Department issued a clarification after the Minister spoke. It is not new money, and is in fact part of the previously-announced increase to the defence budget.

EDIT. The Minister's Office sent the correction, not DND.

Looking for the facepalm emoji...

 

[TCM621]

Still nothing to address the retention issues, housing and cost of living. RCAF manning is falling apart and some trades are not recoverable, but hey, we will have new buildings and shiny things that will just sit there collecting dust.

The AWS trade is basically dead at this point. Because we are so short on the bottom, they are capping promotions at the same time an entire generation of members are becoming pensionable. People are getting out because they don't see any growth individually or as a trade. Last I checked the trade were barely above 80% TES and that includes a bunch of apprentices who can't actually do work yet.

The RCAF is basically pinning all its retention efforts on a pay review that may or may not result in better pay sometime in the next few years, hopefully. That and Tshirts.

 

[Spencer100]

Still nothing to address the retention issues, housing and cost of living. RCAF manning is falling apart and some trades are not recoverable, but hey, we will have new buildings and shiny things that will just sit there collecting dust.

In fairness to the Gov. (I even hate saying this) Although those are very important issues and will speak to the long term effectiveness of the plan. I would not have announced those things at this press release. This press release was not aimed at the 99% of the Canadian electorate. It was to signal to our allies (just one really) we are onboard. It was an investment in the single most important reason d'etre of the whole Defence Dept. The defence against "help".

 

[Spencer100]

RCAF be like...

RCN......"maybe we need to figure out how to get those extra VLS back in the new ships and just how much are SM-6's?"

 

[Underway]

RCN......"maybe we need to figure out how to get those extra VLS back in the new ships and just how much are SM-6's?"

They've figured it out. Just deciding if the non-financial impacts are worth it.

 

[Spencer100]

They've figured it out. Just deciding if the non-financial impacts are worth it.

Cool. My evil side if I was an RCN head would be Hey Minister my team, organization and equipment are a base we can grow this NORAD and BMD (sorry integrated system). we are building the ships and systems now.....just a little bit more and we can do this much more of the continental defense. We just need some more MK41 VLS tubes and couple of missile. Oh and some people. And give them raise. Those RCAF guys way more expensive.

(just having fun with this)

 

[Underway]

Cool. My evil side if I was an RCN head would be Hey Minister my team, organization and equipment are a base we can grow this NORAD and BMD (sorry integrated system). we are building the ships and systems now.....just a little bit more and we can do this much more of the continental defense. We just need some more MK41 VLS tubes and couple of missile. Oh and some people. And give them raise. Those RCAF guys way more expensive.

(just having fun with this)

So I don't know for sure what they are doing, but I think I brought this up on the CSC thread. Remove 127mm, install 57mm and another row of VLS (bringing the ship to 40-48 Mk 41VLS). The other option is to extend the ship's length by 2m or so to get in 32VLS but that adds at least 1000 tons to the design, which threatens top speed and other hull design considerations.

 

[Skysix]

has anyone really examined the toll in hardware in Ukraine? Our entire purchase order of new aircraft would now be so much scrap metal if we were engaged in any kind of peer war. To this civilian, you need at least a third more aircraft even if the numbers beyond 88 are sitting in a hangar. When the shooting starts you can't order anymore; you go with what you have. It would probably be wise to shop for a second aircraft i.e. F16 for pure airborne intercept and keep your F35 types for battlefield control. You definitely need some kind of ground/air system, hopefully combining high altitude/long range and manpads. Decent anti-armour weapons. If you don't, you might as well stay home and hoist your flag in the inverted position.

F15EX - can be a missile truck for the F35 or a CAP fighter or ground attack via JDAMS. F16 cheaper but not as versatile with less payload. It was after all designed to be an air combat bird.

Boyd

John Boyd may be the most remarkable unsung hero in all of American military history. Some remember him as the greatest U.S. fighter pilo...

www.goodreads.com

 

[CBH99]

The Department issued a clarification after the Minister spoke. It is not new money, and is in fact part of the previously-announced increase to the defence budget.

EDIT. The Minister's Office sent the correction, not DND.

So wait… they announced additional funding when in fact that money is already funded as part of the defence budget increase?

No wonder they needed to clarify things after. Bloody hell I'm still somewhat confused…

 

[Brad Sallows]

Re-announcing spending is a favoured trick to impress voters.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Re-announcing spending is a favoured trick to impress voters.

or to make noise to be seen doing something, while actually not having to doing anything new or even at all.

 

[Kirkhill]

F15EX - can be a missile truck for the F35 or a CAP fighter or ground attack via JDAMS. F16 cheaper but not as versatile with less payload. It was after all designed to be an air combat bird.

Boyd

John Boyd may be the most remarkable unsung hero in all of American military history. Some remember him as the greatest U.S. fighter pilo...

www.goodreads.com

I think that's what these things are supposed to do.



A lot cheaper than either the F16 or the F15.

F15EX - 110 MUSD
F16 - 12 to 80 MUSD
Hawk - 20 MUSD
XQ-58A - 2 MUSD.

Essentially these are unmanned boosters that can carry missiles like the LRASM in the Theater adding another 3900 km to the 500 km LRASM or perhaps even to the 1500 km Tomahawk.

Turkey's Bayraktar and Ukraine have already teamed up on their own version - a Turkish airframe with a Ukrainian Jet Engine.

Bayraktar powered by Ukrainian engine to be more efficient than fifth-generation fighters

Thanks to unmanned control, the new Kızılelma UAV by Baykar Makina will be able to perform more difficult tasks in combat due to no risk of losing a pilot. — Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

 

[CBH99]

That’s literally like saying “We will give DND $20B this year, to keep Canadians safe and blah blah blah…”

And someone asking after “So is this a one time boost of $20B so the military can top up on what they need, or $20B extra on top of the current budget?”

And the answer being… “Well, we’re actually just giving them their budget for the year, which we already announced…”



My goodness gracious there just isn’t any sort of attempt at redemption, is there?

If I had trucker convoys converging on my town from all over the country, united in their common belief that I am a totally incompetent douchebag — i’d like to think I would take some time to look at myself in the mirror, do some deep thinking, and unf**k myself.

 

[MilEME09]

That’s literally like saying “We will give DND $20B this year, to keep Canadians safe and blah blah blah…”

And someone asking after “So is this a one time boost of $20B so the military can top up on what they need, or $20B extra on top of the current budget?”

And the answer being… “Well, we’re actually just giving them their budget for the year, which we already announced…”



My goodness gracious there just isn’t any sort of attempt at redemption, is there?

If I had trucker convoys converging on my town from all over the country, united in their common belief that I am a totally incompetent douchebag — i’d like to think I would take some time to look at myself in the mirror, do some deep thinking, and unf**k myself.

Na, status quo is easier

 

[Fishbone Jones]

So 82 pages in. Does someone want to tabulate it all and see what he has really given us.

Perhaps we aught figure in everything he's given away to Ukraine. LAVs ain't cheap, nor the unreplaced War Stock given away. Speaking of, what IS the plan to replace it? Is there one?

Did we at least break even or are we better/worse off?

Mind, if we can't replace the people leaving, we won't have a military to use the stuff anyway.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

So nothing but some virtue signalling and more lies?

 

[CBH99]

So nothing but some virtue signalling and more lies?

Were you really expecting much else?

To be fair, he DID say it would be a priority to replace the war stock the government donated to Ukraine… (I think that probably will fall under what you said though.)

How much of a priority? I’m guessing it won’t be replaced until the system’s planned replacement anyway, or until he promises troops to Country Y & is reminded we no longer have the supplies to do what he said.


Kind of like how replacing the CF-18 was a priority, and heck - while we’re at it - let’s do 88 aircraft because 65 just isn’t sufficient enough. We need to let the Americans know we are reliable, capable, and renewed.

It’s that big of a priority!

 

[Spencer100]

Were you really expecting much else?

To be fair, he DID say it would be a priority to replace the war stock the government donated to Ukraine… (I think that probably will fall under what you said though.)

How much of a priority? I’m guessing it won’t be replaced until the system’s planned replacement anyway, or until he promises troops to Country Y & is reminded we no longer have the supplies to do what he said.


Kind of like how replacing the CF-18 was a priority, and heck - while we’re at it - let’s do 88 aircraft because 65 just isn’t sufficient enough. We need to let the Americans know we are reliable, capable, and renewed.

It’s that big of a priority!

I don't understand that people don't see what is happening.

Trudeau is following his plan. Everything else can be left.

 

[Jarnhamar]

1 RCR is finding creative ways to make due with budget cuts and gas prices.