Political impacts of Ukraine war

[Kirkhill]

Trump invites Zelensky back to White House

Donald Trump will invite Volodymyr Zelensky back to the White House after Ukraine agreed to a proposed ceasefire with Russia.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Lavrov: Britain’s peacekeeping plan a ploy to save ‘Kyiv regime’

Eeee, by gum, 'e's a canny lad that Lavrov and not so daft. 'E saw right through that one.

 

[RangerRay]

Sounds like the far right in Europe is now starting to distance themselves from Trump over Ukraine.

EU Right Wing Abandons Trump Now

Trump has gone too far with closing intelligence for Ukrainians. Le Pen finds it inhumane that Trump does not grant a period for adaptation. Her deputy Bardella did not go to CPAC because of Nazi

hanschristensen.substack.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

A good Q&A session. It seems there will be no WW3, according to Michael Clarke, but further outbreaks of 'military violence' in Europe are inevitable.

'Where will we dig our toes in' against further Russian aggression? is the big question...

 

[HavokFour]

I found the bolded part most interesting. Ukraine would be the place that has all sorts of knowledge and knowhow about cheap automatous drones, if you were in the market of starting up domestic production. Though having a land-based anti-ship missile system (like the R-360 Neptune) is also something I can see there being great interest in and one that doesn't rely on the US.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901360012049416376

I spoke with Canada’s Prime Minister @MarkJCarney. It was a good and substantive conversation covering many important topics.

I congratulated him on his assumption of office and thanked Canada for its assistance, particularly for the defense packages and support of our energy sector.

The Prime Minister made the right points about how we need to step up pressure on Moscow. The shadow fleet, the banking sector. We must impose all-out sanctions on everything that provides Russia with funding for its war. Only then can we force Putin to a just and lasting peace.

We also discussed the humanitarian aspect of security guarantees for Ukraine. This includes rebuilding our country and supporting the economy after the war ends. We will work on this.

We touched upon the Ukrainian agenda during Canada’s G7 presidency. We will continue interacting in various formats and at different levels to make our cooperation even more meaningful and practical.

Additionally, we discussed the development of bilateral relations between our countries. Canada is interested in military-industrial and defense cooperation. Throughout this war, we have gained significant experience in the production of EW systems, long-range missiles, and drones. Ukraine is ready for joint production.

Thank you for the support, and I look forward to productive cooperation.

 

[Skysix]

Ukraine-Russia war live: Putin rejects immediate ceasefire after Trump call

Vladimir Putin has rejected a proposal for an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine but agreed to halt attacks on energy and infrastructure.

www.telegraph.co.uk

But if Russia does not agree to the terms that were on the table when Ukraine agreed to them, why should Ukraine entertain the idea of any more negotiating? They definitely should not agree to any ceasefire that will allow Russia to preposition troops and supplies closer to the contact line.

 

[The Bread Guy]

So today’s “deal” was a smashing success. A moratorium on targeting a Russian strategic weakness. Their oil is now safe. Meanwhile…

Darth Putin (@darthputinkgb.bsky.social)

Have agreed to stop bombing infrastructure. So I'll have more time to focus on military targets like hospitals.

bsky.app

Thx for this - already loving the Darth J Trump satire account. A bit less finesse than The Master, but still good LOL!!!!

 

[suffolkowner]

Politics or War?

What does Trump think about this? Impacts?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901986931325514161

 

[MilEME09]

Yeah this isn't going to happen, is Russian going to give up iranian and DPRK help? Not likely when 60% of russias ammo supply is now north Korean.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902067007077466597

 

[HavokFour]

Already setting it up for Ukraine to be the one to blame when it gets broken. The question is will Trump also magically forget what terms he himself agreed to (much like CUSMA).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902076922953347409

 

[KevinB]

Already setting it up for Ukraine to be the one to blame when it gets broken. The question is will Trump also magically forget what terms he himself agreed to (much like CUSMA).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1902076922953347409

Putin’s going to eventually piss the Donald off to a point Donald does something rash.

 

[PuckChaser]

This is a pain to moderate from my phone, can you folks take this into the politics thread? We'll do a cleanup later.

- Milnet.ca Staff

 

[The Bread Guy]

Yeah, about that Russian "promise" ....

Zelenskyy, Trump Holding Call After Russia Strikes Ukraine's Infrastructure Despite Putin Pledge

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Russia hit energy infrastructure in Ukraine just hours after President Vladimir Putin told US President Donald Trump he would halt such strikes, as he warned of a "long path" to a cease-fire in the war on Ukraine.

www.rferl.org

 

[RangerRay]

Putin’s going to eventually piss the Donald off to a point Donald does something rash.

You think? I see Donald folding like a cheap suit for his buddy Vlad. When Vlad doesn’t cooperate or breaks a ceasefire, Donald will just say it didn’t happen and call it “fake news”.

 

[QV]

You think? I see Donald folding like a cheap suit for his buddy Vlad. When Vlad doesn’t cooperate or breaks a ceasefire, Donald will just say it didn’t happen and call it “fake news”.

You're reading the room wrong.

 

[RangerRay]

You're reading the room wrong.

Past performance predicts future behaviour. When it comes to Vlad, Donald becomes a poodle.

If he gets tough with Vlad, it will be the first time.

 

[QV]

Past performance predicts future behaviour. When it comes to Vlad, Donald becomes a poodle.

If he gets tough with Vlad, it will be the first time.

Way back when Trump was trying to convince the EU to get off of Russian energy (and they laughed), was that a pro-russian move too?

Your assessment is flawed.

 

[The Bread Guy]

This is a pain to moderate from my phone, can you folks take this into the politics thread? We'll do a cleanup later.

- Milnet.ca Staff

Moved some of the stuff to the political thread.

Milnet.ca Staff

 

[PuckChaser]

Moved some of the stuff to the political thread.

Milnet.ca Staff

 

[The Bread Guy]

Way back when Trump was trying to convince the EU to get off of Russian energy (and they laughed), was that a pro-russian move too?

Yeah, those were the old salad days when "convincing" involved telling Europe the U.S. was "subsidizing" them because the countries weren't buying enough petroleum products from America?

Trump adds Europe to the list of US trade partners he's threatening with tariffs

President-elect Donald Trump is threatening to add the 27 countries that make up the European Union to the list of trade partners he'll place tariffs on — unless the group takes steps to import more U.S. goods.

apnews.com

 

[KevinB]

Past performance predicts future behaviour. When it comes to Vlad, Donald becomes a poodle.

If he gets tough with Vlad, it will be the first time.

President Trump supplied Ukraine in his first term with Javelins and Stingers, something that previous administrations hadn’t done. He also sent 10thSFG into Ukraine to train the AFU, something that previous American governments hadn’t done been unwilling to do as well.

President Trump earlier this month refused to to extend the Biden Administration’s waiver on Russian fuel sales - cutting off banking options for Russian oil/gas. So no European purchasing via traditional means.

I don’t think it is enough personally and would like to see a lot more pressure on Russia, but it is hurting Russia financially.