Which of these airbases is the old CFB Lahr?

[Colin Parkinson]

Which of these airbases is the old CFB Lahr?



http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&a...mp;t=h&z=13


I think this was CFB Lahar which had a runway and some hard shelters where they kept CF-105 when I was there in 84

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&a...mp;t=h&z=14

 

[aesop081]

where they kept CF-105 when I was there in 84

I realy doubt that..........

 

[GUNS]

Please verify your grid reference. :warstory:

 

[Nfld Sapper]

According to wikipedia (take it for what its worth) CFB Lahr is now know as the Black Forest Airport.

Map of the airfield is here

 

[GUNS]

Bang on, Sapper. 

 

[cavalryman]

Which of these airbases is the old CFB Lahr?



http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&a...mp;t=h&z=13


I think this was CFB Lahar which had a runway and some hard shelters where they kept CF-105 when I was there in 84

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&a...mp;t=h&z=14

For some reason, your map refs show Winnipeg, which is a far distance from Lahr.  Check your grid.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Which of these airbases is the old CFB Lahr?



http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&a...mp;t=h&z=13


I think this was CFB Lahar which had a runway and some hard shelters where they kept CF-105 when I was there in 84

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&a...mp;t=h&z=14

You do realize that the CF-105 is the Avro Arrow.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I think this was CFB Lahar which had a runway and some hard shelters where they kept CF-105 when I was there in 84

CF-105??  You must mean the CF-104 Starfighter aka The Widowmaker.  The CF-105 was the Arrow.

I thought the Army (4 CMBG) was in Lahr in 1984 with the Air Force at Baden Solingen, but the infrastructure was likely still there in Lahr?

 

[Nfld Sapper]

CF-105??  You must mean the CF-104 Starfighter aka The Widowmaker.  The CF-105 was the Arrow.

Do I want to know why they where nicknamed the Widowmaker  ???

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Do I want to know why they where nicknamed the Widowmaker  ???

2nd paragraph on the link I provided  8)

 

[Nfld Sapper]

D'Oh! missed that one.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I don't know the exact Stats, but according to Wiki (I know, its Wiki but its all I could find quickly):

Operational history

The CF-104 entered Canadian service in March 1962. Originally designed as a supersonic interceptor aircraft, it was used primarily for low level strike and reconnaissance by the RCAF. CF-104 squadrons were stationed in Europe as part of Canada's NATO commitment. Up to 1971, this included a nuclear strike role that would see Canadian aircraft armed with US Nuclear Weapons in the event of a conflict with Warsaw Pact forces.

Over the course of the aircraft's lifespan in service, some 110 were lost to accidents, earning the CF-104 the nickname of "Widowmaker" or "Lawn Dart" in the air force.

The CF-104 was replaced by the CF-18 Hornet and retired from service by the Canadian Forces in 1987. Most of the remaining aircraft were sold to Turkey.


I'd like to confirm those numbers by a more official source.

 

[Old Sweat]

I was in Europe for part of this period. I doubt we had 110 operational CF104s and certainly not that many in Europe. At this stage there were three wings in the Air Division in Europe. Say we had three squadrons per wing with twelve aircraft per squadron, that totals 108 aircraft. The data fails the smell test, even if the number of airframes was higher. The term 'Widow Maker' was used by the Germans who had a serious problem with crashes.

Now, this is second hand stuff from a pongo. Prove me incorrect, not only in the number of aircraft, but in the number of Canadian crashes.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I don't think the # of aircraft lost was only Canadian ones, but the total number lost from all countries.

 

[geo]

Do I want to know why they where nicknamed the Widowmaker  ???

the CF104 Starfighter were the Widow makers
The CF5s were Freedom fighters

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Sorry I did mean the Cf 104's  :-[

Thanks for the link Sapper

But i can't figure why the other links went to Winnipeg???

here they are again

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lahr,+bavaria,+Germany&sll=47.74902,7.720299&sspn=0.168746,0.307617&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=47.893212,7.633781&spn=0.086901,0.153809&z=13&iwloc=addr

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Gutenberg+Oberostendorf,+Ostallg%C3%A4u,+Bavaria,+Germany&sll=47.899887,7.619362&sspn=0.084128,0.153809&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FR-s2wIdvH6jAA&t=h&ll=47.856597,10.629015&spn=0.043481,0.076904&z=14&g=Gutenberg+Oberostendorf,+Ostallg%C3%A4u,+Bavaria,+Germany&iwloc=addr

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

But i can't figure why the link went to Winnipeg???

Some long lost nuclear cold war sonar technology stuffed away in a damp Winnipeg Airport storage area that someone forgot to shut off.....

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Some long lost nuclear cold war sonar technology stuffed away in a damp Winnipeg Airport storage area that someone forgot to shut off.....

Funny you should mention that, I was just at our CPC Volunteer party and one of the guys used to guard the Nukes at Comox.

 

[Danjanou]

I hope there's agood reason for Colin getting Winnipeg and Lahr's grid references mixed up, he being a gunner and all

Most of 4CMBG were at Lahr, but one Bn (3RCR and later 2 PPCLI) was up the road at Baden with the widow makers ( noisy buggers 8))

 

[geo]

Heh....

Ubique to the Engineers = Everywhere
Ubique to the Gunners = All over the place >

CHIMO!
:warstory: