Where will my education place me in training (if I am selected)...

[Manly_Minute]

Hello kind and helpful people. Not much of a forum poster so, in advance, sorry for screw-ups if any.

I've applied to Avionics Sys. Tech, ATIS Tech., and EO Tech. As well I'm already done my Electrical Eng. Technology Diploma and have been working for a year in my field (mostly electrical wiring).

I know NCM-SEPs do not (usually) do the POET portion of training. I'm curious what usually happens with people that got the education on there own accord and are applying after the fact (educated/semi-skilled).

How will my education affect where I'm placed in the above trades? Will it affect my starting (rank)? I've head of starting "bonuses" in the past but has that changed or was it ever a thing?

Thanks guys if you can help me and I would have called my recruiting office but they got like two people on staff and are next to impossible to get a hold of.

 

[ARMY_101]

Usually a PLAR (prior learning assessment recognition) will be done to determine what qualifications you have that are reasonably similar to qualifications the military would teach you. If it's redundant, they will waive that portion of training, but this is a process they go through once you're accepted and get to that phase.

Unless I'm wrong, I don't believe any trade gets an entry bonus anymore.

 

[Manly_Minute]

So then it's just a waiting game for me to find out? I've already completed all the recruitment phases so if I get a phone call with an offer will they already have the PLAR completed?

 

[The_Falcon]

So then it's just a waiting game for me to find out? I've already completed all the recruitment phases so if I get a phone call with an offer will they already have the PLAR completed?

They should...but if they haven't mention the PLAR, you should probably ask  to make sure they started it.  Doing one after the fact is a PITA and not the preferred course of action.

 

[Manly_Minute]

Alright I'll bug them on Monday and see where they're at with the PLAR. Thanks for the help guys

 

[PuckChaser]

Hello kind and helpful people. Not much of a forum poster so, in advance, sorry for screw-ups if any.

I've applied to Avionics Sys. Tech, ATIS Tech., and EO Tech. As well I'm already done my Electrical Eng. Technology Diploma and have been working for a year in my field (mostly electrical wiring).

I know NCM-SEPs do not (usually) do the POET portion of training. I'm curious what usually happens with people that got the education on there own accord and are applying after the fact (educated/semi-skilled).

How will my education affect where I'm placed in the above trades? Will it affect my starting (rank)? I've head of starting "bonuses" in the past but has that changed or was it ever a thing?

Thanks guys if you can help me and I would have called my recruiting office but they got like two people on staff and are next to impossible to get a hold of.

Recruitment "bonuses" are gone, as we have plenty of recruits with for far less positions. With your diploma, I believe you would bypass POET as a ATIS, simply because I've seen people do that before. But it depends a lot on the school and courses, etc.

 

[Manly_Minute]

Recruitment "bonuses" are gone, as we have plenty of recruits with for far less positions. With your diploma, I believe you would bypass POET as a ATIS, simply because I've seen people do that before. But it depends a lot on the school and courses, etc.

When I was trying to get in as NCM-SEP my program was accepted for ATIS (which was about 3-4 years ago) so I think you're probably right.

Do you know if I would I start off at the same rank and pay increment or would I be Private 1-1 still?

 

[Bert]

Definitely sort out your PLAR with the recruiting centre and to what equivalency they will grant your diploma.  The job offer will state the conditions.  Semi-skilled entry generally leads to an appointment to Cpl after BMQ, but you may have to to take QL3 and QL5A qualifications before being awarded specialist pay.  The details and the process are best discussued with the pros in the recruiting centre.

 

[Manly_Minute]

Definitely sort out your PLAR with the recruiting centre and to what equivalency they will grant your diploma.  The job offer will state the conditions.  Semi-skilled entry generally leads to an appointment to Cpl after BMQ, but you may have to to take QL3 and QL5A qualifications before being awarded specialist pay.  The details and the process are best discussued with the pros in the recruiting centre.

Spoke with the recruiting office today and asked about the PLAR. They said that one has not been started because it was deemed by the recruiting officer to be unnecessary. They then asked if I had an education or experience and I updated him there (its already on my file though). He seemed a little confused for a second but still gave me the same answer.

As far as that goes they gave me an update and said my criminal record check went out early last week and I'll be waiting for a while on that. Is it normal for someone who applied in May to have criminal checks wait to be sent out until months later?

 

[DAA]

Spoke with the recruiting office today and asked about the PLAR. They said that one has not been started because it was deemed by the recruiting officer to be unnecessary. They then asked if I had an education or experience and I updated him there (its already on my file though). He seemed a little confused for a second but still gave me the same answer.

As far as that goes they gave me an update and said my criminal record check went out early last week and I'll be waiting for a while on that. Is it normal for someone who applied in May to have criminal checks wait to be sent out until months later?

If you are applying for an occupation where NCM SEP is a possible "entry plan" and you have a College Diploma relevant to the specific occupation (ie; academic credentials similar to what an NCM SEP enrollee would obtain), then a PLAR "must" be done before they can even consider making you an offer.

 

[Manly_Minute]

If you are applying for an occupation where NCM SEP is a possible "entry plan" and you have a College Diploma relevant to the specific occupation (ie; academic credentials similar to what an NCM SEP enrollee would obtain), then a PLAR "must" be done before they can even consider making you an offer.

Okay, so is this something I can rely on happening 100% or since they haven't started anything on it, as of yet, should I be getting on their case about it?
I don't want to be the recruit that annoys the crap out of the recruiters so is there available policy I can quote or another alternative on approaching them about this?

BTW, Thanks for helping me out with this guys. I'm surprised so many people are putting their two cents in.

 

[Manly_Minute]

Finally got through to recruiting today. Supposedly I will be receiving a call sometime in the next 24hrs for an ATIS job offer  . I asked about the PLAR again. I was asked about my education and experience, so I told the recruiter, he asked if it was all on record, I said yes. The recruiter then told me there was nothing on my file about the PLAR.

The recruiter now is putting a note on my file and leaving it on top of the desk of the person who is calling to offer me the position. He admitted that the PLAR should give me some seniority and it should be done but he himself couldn't look into it.

Good news with a side of MYSTERY... I suppose.  ???

Anyways, Nov. 23 looks like I'll be heading out for basic, after 4ish years of trying  ;D

 

[Manly_Minute]

So I got the official call just now.

The officer stated that I will not have the PLAR done be because my Pre-Health Sciences education (my first education) did not apply to the ATIS occupation.
I asked him if a Elec. Eng. Technology education might apply and he told me it more than likely would. I asked him why it didn't apply (and it is all on record in my file, application, and transcripts).
He stated he didn't know and that I should have asked in advance about it.  :facepalm:
I told him about calling in on the 30th and being stonewalled.
He said he'd look into it.
I told him I didn't want it to go to a PITA instead.
Again, he said he'd look into it.

What do I do now? My faith that this is going to get done is not exactly "uplifted".

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Wait and see where it goes from here.

 

[DAA]

What do I do now? My faith that this is going to get done is not exactly "uplifted".

I sent you a PM and will wait for your response......

In the interim, recceguy couldn't say it any better.  However, if you decide to pursue the issue now and they do decide that a PLAR is required, the job offer "will" be rescinded pending completion of the PLAR and there is no guarantee of getting another offer later on down the road.

And before you ask, a PLAR will take 2 months + to complete.

 

[Manly_Minute]

Don't worry about it anymore guys.

I just got a call from the recruiting office today and they were pretty adamant about how my education does not qualify towards my occupation.

And before you ask, a PLAR will take 2 months + to complete.

Yup you were certainly right. The choice they gave me was go to training or rescind my offer so they can send it away.

Can't wait to start learning about voltage dividers again...  :-\

 

[Manly_Minute]

Just thought I'd give a little update. I've been at Basic now for 4 weeks and on Christmas vacation now  :gottree:. I've had the opportunity to ask my MCpl who is an AVS Tech, a Master Warrant who had some experience at POET training, and 2 Cpl.s who I think were Administrative Clerks but TBH I only saw them once for a single class.

Every single person had a different idea where I should go in my training and what I should do next. What they were all consistent on was admitting that they were just throwing theories at me.  :facepalm:

I'm pretty good at just going with the flow. And well, who can complain. I'm at worst just going to get paid to go to school again.

I think what I'll do is try to set up an official appointment and get a concrete answer from somebody, maybe get it on paper... Dunno really. I'm just of the thought that if I can get out working in the field/lab quicker then I won't be such a drain on the financial structure.

For anyone who is going into the Forces and you already have an education like I did, get concrete answers ( ON PAPER ). Your life will be simpler.