Walts, posers & wannabes (merged)

[dimsum]

I seem to recall or it was at least my understanding that say you were presented with the sultans freedom medal you could wear it while in that country? Out of respect for the host?

I believe that any foreign medal can be presented (and worn) in that country, because you are technically wearing it when you are presented it, and it would look weird to take it off right away.

You can’t wear it afterwards though unless it’s Gazetted.

 

[Booter]

Sooooo if the city of Calgary decides someone’s service to its million citizens is worthy of a medal we should disrespect Calgary?

Only national awards are worthy of being real medals because hero’s like Bieber get them for their service….

It doesn’t totally work but I’m being a dick head because the amount of gate keeping on honours is nuts- just carries on down the line until we get to the “real vets are combat vets” nonsense:

I saw two dudes get the queens medal for exemplary service in the write up last year and get suspended the following week.

If you have imaginary medals the people who know KNOW and those that don’t are irrelevant

 

[brihard]

Sooooo if the city of Calgary decides someone’s service to its million citizens is worthy of a medal we should disrespect Calgary?

Only national awards are worthy of being real medals because hero’s like Bieber get them for their service….

It doesn’t totally work but I’m being a dick head because the amount of gate keeping on honours is nuts- just carries on down the line until we get to the “real vets are combat vets” nonsense:

I saw two dudes get the queens medal for exemplary service in the write up last year and get suspended the following week.

If you have imaginary medals the people who know KNOW and those that don’t are irrelevant

I was just describing what is, not what ought to be. BC has provincial awards for Valour that aren’t part of the national system. Still awesome when someone gets one. In the case of Calgary, there are both municipal and provincial long service medals that overlap the federal police exemplary service medal, so it’s a case of triple recognition. I personally raise my eyebrow a bit at that. Valour or other ‘decoration’-like honours are another thing, but I also think those could probably mostly be incorporated into the honours system.

It’s also not something I’ll get up in arms about. If someone has Calgary and Alberta police long service medals that their services authorize for wear, I’m not gonna waste my time or burn good will getting cranky about someone having them mounted with other honours.

 

[medicineman]

Left side, no rank, and I'll even plead guilty....charge me.

That's the national Corrections Service Medal - supposed to go left side, since it's part of the national Honours and Awards list. Not guilty of anything...that we know of

 

[Booter]

I was just describing what is, not what ought to be. BC has provincial awards for Valour that aren’t part of the national system. Still awesome when someone gets one. In the case of Calgary, there are both municipal and provincial long service medals that overlap the federal police exemplary service medal, so it’s a case of triple recognition. I personally raise my eyebrow a bit at that. Valour or other ‘decoration’-like honours are another thing, but I also think those could probably mostly be incorporated into the honours system.

It’s also not something I’ll get up in arms about. If someone has Calgary and Alberta police long service medals that their services authorize for wear, I’m not gonna waste my time or burn good will getting cranky about someone having them mounted with other honours.

I’m in total agreement.

I was just describing what is, not what ought to be. BC has provincial awards for Valour that aren’t part of the national system. Still awesome when someone gets one. In the case of Calgary, there are both municipal and provincial long service medals that overlap the federal police exemplary service medal, so it’s a case of triple recognition. I personally raise my eyebrow a bit at that. Valour or other ‘decoration’-like honours are another thing, but I also think those could probably mostly be incorporated into the honours system.

It’s also not something I’ll get up in arms about. If someone has Calgary and Alberta police long service medals that their services authorize for wear, I’m not gonna waste my time or burn good will getting cranky about someone having them mounted with other honours.

But really Calgary owns the uniform right? They could staple paystubs to it for all anyone should care. I imagine if we had these gigantic Libyaesque racks I would care more- not saying you care either- but the guy with three instead of one has to say “this is for serving in Calgary…Alberta…Canada” when asked on Remembrance Day

 

[mariomike]

Only national awards are worthy of being real medals because hero’s like Bieber get them for their service….

Only question a muni might ask a former national employee is, why quit to apply here as a probie ?

Certainly would not be for the bling....

 

[Booter]

Only question a muni might ask a former national employee is, why quit to apply here as a probie ?

Certainly would not be for the bling....

i don’t think the life of national service is what folks are looking for anymore. Why move if you can build a life somewhere and make more money

 

[daftandbarmy]

i don’t think the life of national service is what folks are looking for anymore. Why move if you can build a life somewhere and make more money

Because you get to descend from the heavens and crush evil doers and break all their toys?

Or something like that

 

[dimsum]

i don’t think the life of national service is what folks are looking for anymore. Why move if you can build a life somewhere and make more money

I’m not sure most folks wanted that in the first place.

When there was a war on, there was the excitement of action, patriotism (but specifically tied to an event like 9/11), because “everyone else was doing it”, or shame that you weren’t doing it. When the war ended, it wasn’t like a ton of people stayed in uniform - most went back to their pre-war lives.

 

[Good2Golf]

Not proven guilty of anything...that we know of

MM, haven’t you been paying attention in other threads?

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

MM, haven’t you been paying attention in other threads?

Shhhhhhhh......

 

[medicineman]

MM, haven’t you been paying attention in other threads?

Shhhhhhhh......

Hearsay/possibly circumstantial evidence only...

 

[Weinie]

Hearsay/possibly circumstantial evidence only...

Lies, half-truths, rumours, malicious gossip, slurs, aspersion, and innuendo. Have I covered it all Bruce?

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Lies, half-truths, rumours, malicious gossip, slurs, aspersion, and innuendo. Have I covered it all Bruce?

Throw in " all fueled by jealousy " and I'd make a great ex>President.

 

[mariomike]

Sooooo if the city of Calgary decides someone’s service to its million citizens is worthy of a medal we should disrespect Calgary?

Good question.

In the aftermath of 9/11, Canada's largest city studied how America's largest city handled the disaster.

Also, how the city honours their emergency services.

In particular, the fact members - only - wear medals awarded by the city on their departmental uniforms.

But really Calgary owns the uniform right?

Interesting point.

 

[Stu gunner]

See also,

Wearing an Ancestor's Medals Mega-thread

Canadian Armed Forces Day

Just wondering if anyone knows of any special events happening in London to Hamilton region on Sunday. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks CM :cdn:

army.ca

17 pages.

Wearing ancestor's medals on the right? Several years ago I visited a New Zealand Museum in Hamilton, NZ, and noticed a wonderful photograph of a New Zealand boy, of about 10 years of age , proudly wearing his grandfather's (or great grandfather's) medals. The photo was taken on ANZAC Day and the medals were being worn on the right side of the young boy's chest. I have since realized that this is an acceptable practice (and certainly not a criminal offence) in New Zealand, Australia, India and in the United Kingdom. The wearing of these medals (on the right breast) is acceptable on appropriate occasions such as Remembrance Day, ANZAC Day and cenotaph events.

Perhaps it is time for Canadians (serving, retired, civilian, etcetera) to join other Commonwealth nations in this acceptable and commendable tribute to family members who have served, but who are now deceased. "We will remember them."

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

"We will remember them" is what's important.....myself wearing my Father's medals doesn't do anything but say "look at me".

I'm not what's important on those days.

 

[mariomike]

Wearing ancestor's medals on the right?

Wearing an Ancestor's Medals Mega-thread​

22 pages of opinions.

Wearing an Ancestor's Medals Mega-thread

Saw this in another discussion, adding here for reference ( this is a BBC source ), BBC Magazine has a new (25 Nov 2016) article on Walts. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38085998 "He also says that people who wear medals won by relatives, to honour their memory, would not face prosecution."

army.ca

 

[Blackadder1916]

When a Sgt Major thinks that his rack is inadequate . . .

Marine sergeant major busted down for wearing nine unauthorized awards

Included in the awards and decorations the now-sergeant deceptively wore were the Purple Heart, the Combat Action Ribbon and Joint Meritorious Unit Award.

www.marinecorpstimes.com

A judge demoted a Marine Corps sergeant major to sergeant last month for donning military awards and decorations, such as the Purple Heart, that he never earned.

Then-Sgt. Maj. Charlie Clawson was charged and sentenced for wearing nine unauthorized decorations, ribbons, devices or insignia between January 2019 and October 2023, according to charge sheets obtained by Marine Corps Times.

Included in the awards and decorations Clawson deceptively sported on his uniform were the Purple Heart, awarded to those killed or wounded during military service; the Combat Action Ribbon, distributed to sailors or Marines who actively participated in ground or surface combat; and the Joint Meritorious Unit Award, authorized for those who contributed to meritorious achievement for joint activities, the charge sheets said.

Clawson also wore the North Atlantic Treaty Organization Service Medal, the Kosovo Campaign Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, the Sea Service Deployment Ribbon (with a silver and bronze device to denote seven awards), the Navy and Marine Corps Overseas Service Ribbon, and the Navy and Marine Corps Parachutist Insignia, the charge sheets said.

For each of these awards, Clawson also faced a charge for violating Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, a general article that covers misconduct, such as indecent acts, fraternization and bigamy.

Likewise, Clawson was also charged with making a false official statement after reportedly sharing a bogus doctoral degree and transcript from Liberty University with Marine Corps Manpower and Reserve Affairs in May 2019.

The statement was “totally false, and was then known by the said Sergeant Major Clawson to be so false,” the charge sheet said.

Maj. Hector Infante, a spokesman with Marine Corps Training and Education Command at Quantico, confirmed to Marine Corps Times that a court-martial sentenced Clawson on Sept. 13 on all charges brought against him.

Military.com first reported Clawson’s reduction in rank.

Clawson, from Virginia, first enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1996 and went on to serve as a motor vehicle operator in the service, according to his service records.

The service records show Clawson is assigned to the Headquarters Battalion at Training and Education Command in Quantico. Infante confirmed to Marine Corps Times he is currently administratively assigned to the command.

Among the awards and decorations Clawson did receive are one Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, distributed to personnel who supported counterterrorism operations post 9/11; and two Sea Service Deployment Ribbons, authorized for sailors and Marines who conducted an at-sea deployment.

 

[markppcli]

When a Sgt Major thinks that his rack is inadequate . . .

Marine sergeant major busted down for wearing nine unauthorized awards

Included in the awards and decorations the now-sergeant deceptively wore were the Purple Heart, the Combat Action Ribbon and Joint Meritorious Unit Award.

www.marinecorpstimes.com

We can learn a lot from the Marine Corps putting stories a like this in their internal news paper. Justice being seen done > possible embarrassment.