US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence

[dimsum]

Literally the opposite. I don't recall recall you commenting on all the politicians whose net worth increased by orders of magnitude on public salaries. Yet you say this about a guy who donated his salary and was already a billionaire.

…and now hawking Bibles and shoes.

Maybe he should have kept his salary instead

 

[Lumber]

Not sure if that is a real indicator. Margins are worse than they were with Biden but better than Clinton. Both were also ahead.

Seems she’s polling with significant leads though in all swing states except Nevada.

That could mean anything at this point though.

Yes, and I've been trying to find a solid analysis of the comparison, but the way I figure it is this:

The last election was COVID, and during that election, Democrats voted early in huge margins. So, the fact that the numbers are lower now, where without COVID more Dens are likely willing to vote in person, makes sense. However, does the decrease match historic non-covid early voting rates, or is it up?

 

[brihard]

I do think that there will be a quiet but significant wave of women exercising their secret ballot to vote for Harris, and not disclosing that to polling companies or their husbands. The Democrats have been pushing this option in some of their messaging, and I think that’s wise. It’s valid for them to be concerned about what a Trump/Vance administration would mean for the status and rights of women.

 

[Jarnhamar]

What makes Trump a fascist?

 

[dimsum]

What makes Trump a fascist?

Interestingly, a few articles have come out in the past couple of days. But, I think this one sums it up best:

Opinion: Harris finally calls Trump a fascist. But don't take her word for it. Take his.

It's not enough for Kamala Harris to call Trump a fascist. Democrats should back their claims with what the former president says and does.

www.usatoday.com

Jason Stanley, a Yale philosophy professor, is the author of “Erasing History: How Fascists Rewrite the Past to Control the Future.” He has been describing Trump’s rhetoric and actions as fascist since 2018. In a Vox interview from the time, he described fascism's key components as "identifying enemies, appealing to the in-group (usually the majority group) and smashing truth and replacing it with power."

“The fact is, it was correct then and it’s correct now,” Stanley told me this month. “And if you realized Trump was a fascist, you would have known he would try to stay in power.”

I would slightly disagree in that Trump doesn’t want to stay in power because he’s a fascist. Trump wants to stay in power or else he goes to jail.

Link to the 2018 interview, where he expands a bit more: How fascism works

 

[Jarnhamar]

Interestingly, a few articles have come out in the past couple of days. But, I think this one sums it up best:

Opinion: Harris finally calls Trump a fascist. But don't take her word for it. Take his.

It's not enough for Kamala Harris to call Trump a fascist. Democrats should back their claims with what the former president says and does.

www.usatoday.com

I would slightly disagree in that Trump doesn’t want to stay in power because he’s a fascist. Trump wants to stay in power or else he goes to jail.

Link to the 2018 interview, where he expands a bit more: How fascism works

I'll take some time and trad through that, thanks. At a quick glance this quote stuck out for obvious close to home reasons.

“And if you realized Trump was a fascist, you would have known he would try to stay in power.”

 

[Remius]

Yes, and I've been trying to find a solid analysis of the comparison, but the way I figure it is this:

The last election was COVID, and during that election, Democrats voted early in huge margins. So, the fact that the numbers are lower now, where without COVID more Dens are likely willing to vote in person, makes sense. However, does the decrease match historic non-covid early voting rates, or is it up?

WAPO has a decent article on it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/31/polls-show-harris-with-big-early-vote-lead-despite-gop-gains/

 

[dimsum]

I'll take some time and trad through that, thanks. At a quick glance this quote stuck out for obvious close to home reasons.

I’d argue that all sorts of people want to stay in power, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re all fascist.

Narcissist, egomaniac, etc doesn’t equal fascist - they are personality traits while “fascist” also includes political leanings and actions, as per the linked article.

 

[RangerRay]

I would also argue that like communism, fascism is revolutionary in that it involves upending, destroying and remaking institutions and societies to solidify their power.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Not sure if that is a real indicator. Margins are worse than they were with Biden but better than Clinton. Both were also ahead.

Seems she’s polling with significant leads though in all swing states except Nevada.

That could mean anything at this point though.

Democrats are customarily expected to outpace Republicans in early voting. A more useful indicator would be to take a ratio of the numbers to determine whether the gap has closed or widened.

[Add: also more useful to compare elections other than 2020, in which atypically high numbers of Republicans voted early.]